Church and why I don't go.

[JesusIs4Me]

So you went to church today...That's good! What did you learn in church today? You should have learned something that you can apply to your life so you can grow in Him. What is it?

I do not go to church.

I fail to see why the Lord would lead me back to these forums when everybody agrees that not all Bible versions are saying the same thing and the majority of them are just bigots when relying only on the KJV for the meat of His words in discerning good and evil by in keeping the faith which is the good fight.

So when antiKJVers would like to argue for errant Bible versions that causes many to fall away from the faith and strengthen them in their wickedness, by noting in the KJV of what they call errors as if any one is being led astray by what they call errors, there is no defending the faith in forums and in churches; at least in forums you can post the concern and hope God causes the increase, but in church? There is no time given to express concerns and many pastors are career minded not to allow anyone to make waves or lose members and affect the bottom line of the church revenues and his income, his pension, and any other benefits.

What is the major apostasy today that modern Bible versions are supporting? The apostate calling that you can receive the Holy Spirit apart from salvation "again" by the sign of tongues and because that tongue comes with no interpretation, they assume it is a prayer language of the Holy Spirit. So in spite of the truth in ALL Bibles, John 16:13 testify that the Holy Spirit cannot use tongues to speak for Himself in uttering His own intercessions out loud, but the majority of modern Bible versions of Romans 8:26-27 implies otherwise whereas the KJV maintains the truth of John 16:13 by citing that not even His groanings can be uttered; hence no sound at all. Even some modern Bibles commit a grammatical error by switching out the "he" at the conclusion of verse 27 with "the Spirit" when that "he" is the One separate from us in searching our hearts and thus separate from the Spirit in knowing the mind of, and so that "he" cannot be the Spirit in the conclusion of that verse. The identity of that "he" is the Son as He is the One that searches our hearts as confirmed in Hebrews 4:12-16 KJV as He is the One that knows the mind of the Spirit which is in according to the will of God BECAUSE there is only One Mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 1 Timothy 2:5 This is confirmed by knowing how the divine prayer system is set up where Jesus is at that throne of grace as the Lamb of God by Whom we have access to God the Father by where He searches our hearts to give the Father His own intercessions and not just ours, and knows the mind of the Spirit to give His silent intercessions to the Father so that when the Father says "yes" to any of those intercessions, the Son answers the prayers so that the Father may be glorified in the Son for answers to prayers in John 14:13-14 KJV

But because of Romans 8:26-27 in most modern Bibles, believers gloss over His words in John 16:13 as if Jesus did not really meant that and so they believe tongues can be used for private use and they believe believers can receive the Holy Spirit again apart from salvation by that sign of tongues even though Paul said tongues were never supposed to serve as a sign towards the believers for anything in seeking after ...after they had been saved. 1 Corinthians 14:22 KJV

And although modern day tongue speakers speak against "holy laughter" and "slain in the spirit" as not of the Lord, if they try to stop it as it is happening in that assembly, they run the risk of falling to it because they have that same mentality of opening themselves up to being refilled by the Holy Spirit apart from salvation, and that is why God permitted them to suffer that strong delusion for believing the lie that they can receive the Holy Spirit apart from salvation. 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 while Paul reminded them of the tradition taught of us to not follow after them in 2 Thessalonians 2:13-15

Most churches today continues to ignore the test for the spirit of the antichrist which is any spirit felt outside of us in the worship place, no matter how pleasant, is not the Holy Spirit because He dwells in us since our salvation at the calling of the gospel. 1 John 4:1-4 KJV & John 14:16-17 KJV & Ephesians 1:11-15 KJV

That KJV is defending the faith in Jesus Christ. Modern Bibles of Romans 8:26-27 makes believers doubt Jesus meant what He has said about how the Holy Spirit cannot speak for Himself but speak only what He hears in John 16:13 and so they do not see the error of Romans 8:26-27 in that modern Bible they are using and thereby cannot see all the other reproofs for disregarding any one preaching to receive Jesus or the Holy Spirt again in 2 Corinthians 11:1-4 KJV

But by knocking down the KJV for keeping the truth in His words in Romans 8:26-27 KJV , they make a big deal over something else that hardly has been known to cause any one to go astray by.

I know it is on God to cause the increase, but when everybody has that mind set to NOT rely on one Bible version, but to use many versions to figure out the truth in His words or message, they refuse to believe God can give them wisdom to figure out the truth in His words as kept in lining up with all the other truths in the KJV as proving the KJV is the one to rely on for the meat of His words in keeping the faith which is the good fight. I shall see if He is ministering to any one, but the message is not KJVO onlyism.. The message is keeping the faith which is the good fight in these latter days by relying only on Jesus Christ as your personal Good Shepherd to see why you need to rely only on the KJV for the actual meat of His words to discern good & evil by...…….. because only a few are finding that truth in keeping the faith which is the good fight.

Romans 8:26-27 KJV is a promise for all believers; it is not meant for some special elite Christians that use tongues privately and Matthew 6:7-8 KJV is proof why tongues are not needed for how the Father knows everything before we ask in prayer. BUT no antiKJVer is going to see that unless God intervenes and show him the truth in His words in John 16:13 as kept in ALL Bible versions that the Holy Spirit CANNOT use tongues for uttering His prayers. Period.
Thus that other phenomenon where believers think they are receiving the Holy Spirit apart from salvation.... it was not the Holy Spirit at all, but the spirit of the antichrist. …. seducing spirits seeking an audience with believers with signs of confusion which God is not the author of 1 Corinthians 14:32-33 KJV.

I believe churches need to narrow the way in worship in coming to God the Father by and that is by the only way of the Son ( Matthew 7:13-14 KJV & Luke 13:24 KJV ). So believe Jesus when He says this; John 14:6 KJV The only way to honor the Father in worship is to honor the Son stated in John 5:22-23 KJV When you stop honoring the Son, you are no longer being led by the Holy Spirit, but by man made traditions, because by not honoring the Son, you have stopped honoring the Father.

 

[Bendito]

I do not go to church.

I fail to see why the Lord would lead me back to these forums when everybody agrees that not all Bible versions are saying the same thing and the majority of them are just bigots when relying only on the KJV for the meat of His words in discerning good and evil by in keeping the faith which is the good fight.

So when antiKJVers would like to argue for errant Bible versions that causes many to fall away from the faith and strengthen them in their wickedness, by noting in the KJV of what they call errors as if any one is being led astray by what they call errors, there is no defending the faith in forums and in churches; at least in forums you can post the concern and hope God causes the increase, but in church? There is no time given to express concerns and many pastors are career minded not to allow anyone to make waves or lose members and affect the bottom line of the church revenues and his income, his pension, and any other benefits.

What is the major apostasy today that modern Bible versions are supporting? The apostate calling that you can receive the Holy Spirit apart from salvation "again" by the sign of tongues and because that tongue comes with no interpretation, they assume it is a prayer language of the Holy Spirit. So in spite of the truth in ALL Bibles, John 16:13 testify that the Holy Spirit cannot use tongues to speak for Himself in uttering His own intercessions out loud, but the majority of modern Bible versions of Romans 8:26-27 implies otherwise whereas the KJV maintains the truth of John 16:13 by citing that not even His groanings can be uttered; hence no sound at all. Even some modern Bibles commit a grammatical error by switching out the "he" at the conclusion of verse 27 with "the Spirit" when that "he" is the One separate from us in searching our hearts and thus separate from the Spirit in knowing the mind of, and so that "he" cannot be the Spirit in the conclusion of that verse. The identity of that "he" is the Son as He is the One that searches our hearts as confirmed in Hebrews 4:12-16 KJV as He is the One that knows the mind of the Spirit which is in according to the will of God BECAUSE there is only One Mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 1 Timothy 2:5 This is confirmed by knowing how the divine prayer system is set up where Jesus is at that throne of grace as the Lamb of God by Whom we have access to God the Father by where He searches our hearts to give the Father His own intercessions and not just ours, and knows the mind of the Spirit to give His silent intercessions to the Father so that when the Father says "yes" to any of those intercessions, the Son answers the prayers so that the Father may be glorified in the Son for answers to prayers in John 14:13-14 KJV

But because of Romans 8:26-27 in most modern Bibles, believers gloss over His words in John 16:13 as if Jesus did not really meant that and so they believe tongues can be used for private use and they believe believers can receive the Holy Spirit again apart from salvation by that sign of tongues even though Paul said tongues were never supposed to serve as a sign towards the believers for anything in seeking after ...after they had been saved. 1 Corinthians 14:22 KJV

And although modern day tongue speakers speak against "holy laughter" and "slain in the spirit" as not of the Lord, if they try to stop it as it is happening in that assembly, they run the risk of falling to it because they have that same mentality of opening themselves up to being refilled by the Holy Spirit apart from salvation, and that is why God permitted them to suffer that strong delusion for believing the lie that they can receive the Holy Spirit apart from salvation. 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 while Paul reminded them of the tradition taught of us to not follow after them in 2 Thessalonians 2:13-15

Most churches today continues to ignore the test for the spirit of the antichrist which is any spirit felt outside of us in the worship place, no matter how pleasant, is not the Holy Spirit because He dwells in us since our salvation at the calling of the gospel. 1 John 4:1-4 KJV & John 14:16-17 KJV & Ephesians 1:11-15 KJV

That KJV is defending the faith in Jesus Christ. Modern Bibles of Romans 8:26-27 makes believers doubt Jesus meant what He has said about how the Holy Spirit cannot speak for Himself but speak only what He hears in John 16:13 and so they do not see the error of Romans 8:26-27 in that modern Bible they are using and thereby cannot see all the other reproofs for disregarding any one preaching to receive Jesus or the Holy Spirt again in 2 Corinthians 11:1-4 KJV

But by knocking down the KJV for keeping the truth in His words in Romans 8:26-27 KJV , they make a big deal over something else that hardly has been known to cause any one to go astray by.

I know it is on God to cause the increase, but when everybody has that mind set to NOT rely on one Bible version, but to use many versions to figure out the truth in His words or message, they refuse to believe God can give them wisdom to figure out the truth in His words as kept in lining up with all the other truths in the KJV as proving the KJV is the one to rely on for the meat of His words in keeping the faith which is the good fight. I shall see if He is ministering to any one, but the message is not KJVO onlyism.. The message is keeping the faith which is the good fight in these latter days by relying only on Jesus Christ as your personal Good Shepherd to see why you need to rely only on the KJV for the actual meat of His words to discern good & evil by...…….. because only a few are finding that truth in keeping the faith which is the good fight.

Romans 8:26-27 KJV is a promise for all believers; it is not meant for some special elite Christians that use tongues privately and Matthew 6:7-8 KJV is proof why tongues are not needed for how the Father knows everything before we ask in prayer. BUT no antiKJVer is going to see that unless God intervenes and show him the truth in His words in John 16:13 as kept in ALL Bible versions that the Holy Spirit CANNOT use tongues for uttering His prayers. Period.
Thus that other phenomenon where believers think they are receiving the Holy Spirit apart from salvation.... it was not the Holy Spirit at all, but the spirit of the antichrist. …. seducing spirits seeking an audience with believers with signs of confusion which God is not the author of 1 Corinthians 14:32-33 KJV.

I believe churches need to narrow the way in worship in coming to God the Father by and that is by the only way of the Son ( Matthew 7:13-14 KJV & Luke 13:24 KJV ). So believe Jesus when He says this; John 14:6 KJV The only way to honor the Father in worship is to honor the Son stated in John 5:22-23 KJV When you stop honoring the Son, you are no longer being led by the Holy Spirit, but by man made traditions, because by not honoring the Son, you have stopped honoring the Father.

Wow....I won't say it but you sound angry and bitter. But I'm not going to say that. LOL

 

[JesusIs4Me]

Wow....I won't say it but you sound angry and bitter. But I'm not going to say that. LOL

The Lord reminds me that He is in control still and why God is coming to judge His House first at the pre great trib rapture event because of this great falling away from the faith, which is to signal the end of the times of the Gentiles when the dispensation of the gospel will go back to the Jews, the 144,000 witnesses, for the duration of the coming great tribulation. Just as the Jews rejected the chief cornerstone, thus the gospel went to the Gentiles, so will the falling away from the faith will be the cause for why it goes back to the Jews.

 

[Bendito]

The Lord reminds me that He is in control still and why God is coming to judge His House first at the pre great trib rapture event because of this great falling away from the faith, which is to signal the end of the times of the Gentiles when the dispensation of the gospel will go back to the Jews, the 144,000 witnesses, for the duration of the coming great tribulation. Just as the Jews rejected the chief cornerstone, thus the gospel went to the Gentiles, so will the falling away from the faith will be the cause for why it goes back to the Jews.

Yup. God is in control in the universe. and man is still in control in the Earth.

 

[JesusIs4Me]

Yup. God is in control in the universe. and man is still in control in the Earth.

To destroy themselves... yes.. man is in control of that by their covetousness, but Jesus will preserve His people even in death in spite of what is coming on the earth as He will eventually destroy the wicked at the end of the great tribulation.

 

[Bendito]

To destroy themselves... yes.. man is in control of that by their covetousness, but Jesus will preserve His people even in death in spite of what is coming on the earth as He will eventually destroy the wicked at the end of the great tribulation.

So why are you so angry at the churches? There are many many good ones.

 

[JesusIs4Me]

So why are you so angry at the churches? There are many many good ones.

Angry? More like acknowledging the reality of just how bad it is in keeping the faith in these latter days. If we as believers, get pruned by the Lord to bear more fruit, so should churches, but they don't. It is all about maintaining the status quo; not making any waves and thereby vainly keeping the members that they have while diminishing in numbers.

Red tape prevents using the scripture as kept in the KJV to prove all things by Him in getting ready for the Bridegroom; so each believer out there should know it is on them to go to Jesus Christ before that throne of grace to ask Him for help and discernment in case they are not abiding in Him and in His words as they ought to be. Don't wait for the church that can do no wrong to get you ready.

 

[Bendito]

Angry? More like acknowledging the reality of just how bad it is in keeping the faith in these latter days. If we as believers, get pruned by the Lord to bear more fruit, so should churches, but they don't. It is all about maintaining the status quo; not making any waves and thereby vainly keeping the members that they have while diminishing in numbers.

Red tape prevents using the scripture as kept in the KJV to prove all things by Him in getting ready for the Bridegroom; so each believer out there should know it is on them to go to Jesus Christ before that throne of grace to ask Him for help and discernment in case they are not abiding in Him and in His words as they ought to be. Don't wait for the church that can do no wrong to get you ready.

As I said.....Not all of the churches are bad

 

[JesusIs4Me]

As I said.....Not all of the churches are bad

All the churches are bad as far as I know, and there is no correcting them by the scripture when most of them are even anti-KJVers.

Here is how they are all bad and asleep. Most if not all modern Bibles has these scripture but still, people gloss over them as if He really didn't meant it that way. The Nicene creed of 381 A.D. introduced the practice of worshiping the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son, but it is the Father's will that the only way to approach Him in worship is by the only way of the Son as Jesus meant what He has said in John 14:6 KJV By honoring the Son in worship, you honor the Father. That is the only way any believer can honor the Father by in worship as led by the Spirit of God & scripture to do. The latter part of John 5:23 KJV signifies that when you are not honoring the Son, you are not honoring the Father AT ALL. That is a judgment call on every believer when read in context and so it is not a small thing; John 5:22-23 KJV That is the mind of Christ, Paul was talking about in having in worship when exalting the name of Jesus above every other name and that is the obedience every believer is to have in worship in Philippians 2:5-13 KJV. That is why Jesus warned believers of those broadening the way in worship in coming to God the Father by in Matthew 7:13-14 KJV, they can claim wonderful works in these movements of the "spirit" BUT THAT IS WHY THEY ARE IN INIQUITY as they are falling down ( Matthew 7:24-27 KJV ) when focus is on the Holy Spirit in worship to come and visit and so the solution is to narrow the way back to the Son Luke 13:24 KJV or else be left behind as warned in Luke 13:25-30 KJV

So even though not all churches are not carried away by that confusion, they still believe that is the Holy Spirit they feel in the worship place, even when holding communion, but that is the spirit of the antichrist 1 John 4:1-4 KJV when the real Holy Spirit is always in us John 14:16-17 KJV That is the difference between the Old Covenant and the New Covenant where by God is always within us to not have a need to "visit" us with signs and lying wonders in the worship place. Our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit 1 Corinthians 6:19-20 KJV and Jesus Christ is in us is the examination of our faith in 2 Corinthians 13:5 KJV. Testifying to the contrary is not keeping the faith in Jesus Christ which is the good fight.

Try correcting any church of that long held practice regardless of what the scripture says. That is why it is so bad in these latter days that faith is hard to find. Those led by the Holy Spirit will not speak of the Holy Spirit in seeking the glory of the Holy Spirit but of the Son in worship to glorify the Son in worship. That is the Spirit's job and He accomplishes this thru us in worship; John 15:26-27 KJV & John 16:13-15 KJV Only seducing spirits in visitation wants to take that spotlight off of the Son in worship, and so that is why we need the Lord Jesus Christ's help to keep our eyes on Him, the Bridegroom, because He will be coming soon for the abiding bride of Christ.

Those left behind, will become vessels unto dishonor in His House, but they are still in His House, albeit disqualified from attending the Marriage Supper in Heaven for being in unrepentant iniquity..so while the doors are still open, I ask every believer to ask Jesus for help in discerning His words to see the truth in why they need to keep their eyes only on the Son in worship as led by scripture and the indwelling holy Spirit to do in order to truly honor God the Father by.

 

[Dave M]

I respect your right to decide on your own
Colossians 2:16-17

and not looking to argue, just want to point out why I do to church is all. first and foremost its to worship God the almighty and that is very important and yes can be done in many settings,


because Jesus says those that love him will keep his commandments
John 14:15

the 10 commandments given by God say to keep the sabbath right along side do not to murder so I choose to try my best to keep all 10 commandments not just the ones I like or dont like, I know we are not under law but grace I do this because I want to please my father in heaven more then anything else, not because I have to

the sabbath was made for us from God so at least I could do is partake in it, its really a privilege to be able to honor the sabbath
Mark 2:27

but make no mistake I pass no judgement on anyone who does not agree with my thoughts I hope you dont pass judgement on me.
Colossians 2:16-17


For me I am fortunate to have a loving church that encourages and helps re charge me for the week that is ahead, I know they are few of them out there now a days


One thing that we all have to understand is no church is going to be perfect since it is made up of men, we all have our faults.

also one final not did not Jesus honor the sabbath when the pharisees were doing the teaching,

 

[therealletruth]

I don't know what your problem is But your absolutly RIGHT ... I have a ? 4 all the Christians .... Can Any1 please introduce me to an HONEST PREACHER...? I've talked to many & have not yet found 1. All I've asked Crhistians That is . THEY'RE ALL JUST TOY CHRISTIANS . ... Many are called Few are chosen ,,,,,However Every Christian Says that they are the chosen . Luke 13:27 ,,, Gotta mean something... Like I said . I do not know what your problem is ... but if you ever do find that honest preacher PLEEEEEASE Introduce me 2 Him or Her. & that goes for every1 that reads this... ((( HONEST ))) that WORD is a KILLER I have Skype or a phone as well ... Glad 2 have met you , I'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR A PERSON OR A POST LIKE YOUR'S . I'LL even read ALL of your emails. Hey don't believe what they tell U make 'em PROVE it 2 BE TRUE,,,,,This makes me look like a meanieeeee ,,, BUT IZA NICE man REALLE, @ least me & Jesus get along Just Fine ... ((( JESUS , Me . & the Christians , Well So Far it's just The 2 of us MAYBE 3 NOW...

 

[Ivar]

Mainstream "and for the most part" The Churches and State are one.
Unfortunately compromises were made and unfortunately at times it was go along to get or be killed. The one's that aren't are more hidden or harder to find.

Mat 10:16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
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Mainstream churches that I know of still teach "to my knowledge and a certain degree"

Heb 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
Heb 6:2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
Heb 6:3 And this will we do, if God permit.

"Though it does seem to stagnate or get hypocritical when not moving on towards perfection:"
or maybe it's the church members job and responsibility since they are the ones that primary make up the church.
church members should be a light and set positive examples for each other. i found these scriptures yesterday and maybe i am meant to post them here
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Mat 20:25 But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them.
Mat 20:26 But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister;
Mat 20:27 And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant:
Mat 20:28 Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

 

[Dave M]

Can Any1 please introduce me to an HONEST PREACHER.

 

[FinalPrime]

I do not go to church.

I fail to see why the Lord would lead me back to these forums when everybody agrees that not all Bible versions are saying the same thing and the majority of them are just bigots when relying only on the KJV for the meat of His words in discerning good and evil by in keeping the faith which is the good fight.

So when antiKJVers would like to argue for errant Bible versions that causes many to fall away from the faith and strengthen them in their wickedness, by noting in the KJV of what they call errors as if any one is being led astray by what they call errors, there is no defending the faith in forums and in churches; at least in forums you can post the concern and hope God causes the increase, but in church? There is no time given to express concerns and many pastors are career minded not to allow anyone to make waves or lose members and affect the bottom line of the church revenues and his income, his pension, and any other benefits.

What is the major apostasy today that modern Bible versions are supporting? The apostate calling that you can receive the Holy Spirit apart from salvation "again" by the sign of tongues and because that tongue comes with no interpretation, they assume it is a prayer language of the Holy Spirit. So in spite of the truth in ALL Bibles, John 16:13 testify that the Holy Spirit cannot use tongues to speak for Himself in uttering His own intercessions out loud, but the majority of modern Bible versions of Romans 8:26-27 implies otherwise whereas the KJV maintains the truth of John 16:13 by citing that not even His groanings can be uttered; hence no sound at all. Even some modern Bibles commit a grammatical error by switching out the "he" at the conclusion of verse 27 with "the Spirit" when that "he" is the One separate from us in searching our hearts and thus separate from the Spirit in knowing the mind of, and so that "he" cannot be the Spirit in the conclusion of that verse. The identity of that "he" is the Son as He is the One that searches our hearts as confirmed in Hebrews 4:12-16 KJV as He is the One that knows the mind of the Spirit which is in according to the will of God BECAUSE there is only One Mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 1 Timothy 2:5 This is confirmed by knowing how the divine prayer system is set up where Jesus is at that throne of grace as the Lamb of God by Whom we have access to God the Father by where He searches our hearts to give the Father His own intercessions and not just ours, and knows the mind of the Spirit to give His silent intercessions to the Father so that when the Father says "yes" to any of those intercessions, the Son answers the prayers so that the Father may be glorified in the Son for answers to prayers in John 14:13-14 KJV

But because of Romans 8:26-27 in most modern Bibles, believers gloss over His words in John 16:13 as if Jesus did not really meant that and so they believe tongues can be used for private use and they believe believers can receive the Holy Spirit again apart from salvation by that sign of tongues even though Paul said tongues were never supposed to serve as a sign towards the believers for anything in seeking after ...after they had been saved. 1 Corinthians 14:22 KJV

And although modern day tongue speakers speak against "holy laughter" and "slain in the spirit" as not of the Lord, if they try to stop it as it is happening in that assembly, they run the risk of falling to it because they have that same mentality of opening themselves up to being refilled by the Holy Spirit apart from salvation, and that is why God permitted them to suffer that strong delusion for believing the lie that they can receive the Holy Spirit apart from salvation. 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 while Paul reminded them of the tradition taught of us to not follow after them in 2 Thessalonians 2:13-15

Most churches today continues to ignore the test for the spirit of the antichrist which is any spirit felt outside of us in the worship place, no matter how pleasant, is not the Holy Spirit because He dwells in us since our salvation at the calling of the gospel. 1 John 4:1-4 KJV & John 14:16-17 KJV & Ephesians 1:11-15 KJV

That KJV is defending the faith in Jesus Christ. Modern Bibles of Romans 8:26-27 makes believers doubt Jesus meant what He has said about how the Holy Spirit cannot speak for Himself but speak only what He hears in John 16:13 and so they do not see the error of Romans 8:26-27 in that modern Bible they are using and thereby cannot see all the other reproofs for disregarding any one preaching to receive Jesus or the Holy Spirt again in 2 Corinthians 11:1-4 KJV

But by knocking down the KJV for keeping the truth in His words in Romans 8:26-27 KJV , they make a big deal over something else that hardly has been known to cause any one to go astray by.

I know it is on God to cause the increase, but when everybody has that mind set to NOT rely on one Bible version, but to use many versions to figure out the truth in His words or message, they refuse to believe God can give them wisdom to figure out the truth in His words as kept in lining up with all the other truths in the KJV as proving the KJV is the one to rely on for the meat of His words in keeping the faith which is the good fight. I shall see if He is ministering to any one, but the message is not KJVO onlyism.. The message is keeping the faith which is the good fight in these latter days by relying only on Jesus Christ as your personal Good Shepherd to see why you need to rely only on the KJV for the actual meat of His words to discern good & evil by...…….. because only a few are finding that truth in keeping the faith which is the good fight.

Romans 8:26-27 KJV is a promise for all believers; it is not meant for some special elite Christians that use tongues privately and Matthew 6:7-8 KJV is proof why tongues are not needed for how the Father knows everything before we ask in prayer. BUT no antiKJVer is going to see that unless God intervenes and show him the truth in His words in John 16:13 as kept in ALL Bible versions that the Holy Spirit CANNOT use tongues for uttering His prayers. Period.
Thus that other phenomenon where believers think they are receiving the Holy Spirit apart from salvation.... it was not the Holy Spirit at all, but the spirit of the antichrist. …. seducing spirits seeking an audience with believers with signs of confusion which God is not the author of 1 Corinthians 14:32-33 KJV.

I believe churches need to narrow the way in worship in coming to God the Father by and that is by the only way of the Son ( Matthew 7:13-14 KJV & Luke 13:24 KJV ). So believe Jesus when He says this; John 14:6 KJV The only way to honor the Father in worship is to honor the Son stated in John 5:22-23 KJV When you stop honoring the Son, you are no longer being led by the Holy Spirit, but by man made traditions, because by not honoring the Son, you have stopped honoring the Father.

I understand what you're saying, l will just add this.

Out of all of these church's where does Gods spirit dwell, it can only be in one or none.

 

[JesusIs4Me]

I understand what you're saying, l will just add this.

Out of all of these church's where does Gods spirit dwell, it can only be in one or none.

Your body is the Temple of the Holy Spirit 1 Corinthians 6:19-20 so therefore Jesus Christ is in you ( 2 Corinthians 13:5 ) so it doesn't matter where you are, you can come to God the Father IN spirit and IN truth by coming to worship by honoring the Son in testifying of the Son in seeking His glory in worship Whose name is above every other name to the glory of God the Father ( Philippians 2:5-11 ) because honoring the Son in worship is the only way to honor the Father by. John 5:22-23 & John 13:31-32

That is the truth of what Jesus said to the Samaritan woman at the well in answering her question as to where to worship God at; the mountains or in Jerusalem.

John 4:20 Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship. 21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. 22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. 23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

John 13:31 Therefore, when he was gone out, Jesus said, Now is the Son of man glorified, and God is glorified in him. 32 If God be glorified in him, God shall also glorify him in himself, and shall straightway glorify him.

So to look for God's Spirit in a place of worship is actually looking for the spirit of the antichrist as that is opposing the faith in Jesus Christ that God is within us always now. That is the difference between the Old Covenant and the New Covenant where believers had to go to a place of worship to get close to God, but in representing our faith always, our words must match our faith in testifying that there is no more coming to a place of worship to get closer to God, because He is in us and is with us always. John 14:16-17 Either our words match our faith or we are speaking words that deny our faith in Jesus Christ for we cannot do both. May the Lord Jesus Christ help us be better witnesses of Him in these latter days.

 

[therealletruth]

I understand what you're saying, l will just add this.

Out of all of these church's where does Gods spirit dwell, it can only be in one or none.

If Gods Word has Mistakes, or differences, opinions, maybies, Etc, Then there is no God, & if U still wanna believe in a God like that then U are a FOOL. For me (Ray) my God must be perfect . People always tell me that there are mistakes in the KJV Bible.... WRONG --!!. There are only mistakes when U use those lying translations to compare ... Sorry Ya'll That's every other version... Gods Word can not have variations. I've found & stand by this! Gods Word the KJV stands on its own NO MISTAKES Cover 2 Cover. Should U find 1 show me PLEASE . My God & His Word has 2 be PERFECT , if not then what makes him a God. There's 2 many TOY CHRISTIANS & few real 1's (FEW). Thousands of denominations thousands of different preachers, obviously thousands of different Gods which they all claim is the same 1,,, None of them can get along down here but once we're all in heaven then all will be OK. My ? is whose God is going 2 be in Charge? The Baptists , Menonites , Pentecostals , Catholics,,,ETE ETC ETC & ETC... I always like a little humor in saying things . I say when I get called to Paradise, I'm going to see a lot of empty realestate there . & Gods going 2 tell me it was just unclaimed Have any ???s for me please feel free 2 ask me Ray ,, U don't have 2 like my answers , If your a hard core denominationalist U won't Tiz ok

 

[therealletruth]

Oh Yeah I was a born aaagain Pentecostle from U might as well say from the start , over 50 years ... Then I asked a ? & ??s &???s & never got any honest answers .... NOT 1 So I found them out 4 myself... Now I'm considerd a RELIGIOUS FANATIC , by all . Unlike them I ask ?s There answer is I don't know. However I didn't ask because I didn't know , I already Know the answers to my ?s . I got them from my KJV . Again Y can't they answer my ?s ... Because it goes against what they've been preaching and what they've been told to say. Iv'e asked Preachers this ? as well as others ---- Y do U LIE, Answer. I get paid 2 teach what I'm told to preach & I'm not looking 2 be unemployed... No I didn't just make that up...

 

[Christ4Ever]

I once wrote this concerning the need to define what church was according to Scripture. Was/Is it a denomination, or maybe a place where people came together, in other words to assemble, or could it be that the Church is actually the people?

The following is something put together not too long ago in a discussion I was having with someone who is Catholic and believes there's the only one true church. In looking at this subject, it became apparent that church in scripture is identified specific to locations, but more importantly to a body of believers at said locations. Even Revelations in the letters to the churches (multiple) deals with the behaviors of the congregations, not one shoe fits all as is the inclination with most denominations. The church I currently attend, never did answer this question when posed to them

So through reading and praying the conclusion to me is that there is a Universal Church (My term only.), but not one which has ceilings, walls, or any worldly attributes we look to infuse in it.

My suggestion, if one is looking for one, is to seek one that is founded, and adheres to the Holy Bible, is willing to answer questions put before them, one that prays, does and not just talks about the Great Commission, in charity, service and exhibits the Love that God has shown us through His Son Jesus, to a lost and dying world.

I pray that this post may be for the edification and not a hindrance to anyone. In the name of Jesus Christ I ask this Amen.
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I have to first start defining certain words so we can see if we’re actually using the same Dictionary. It’s easy to use the same words, but as I’m coming to find out is that at times we are using different dictionaries, which might create difficulty in understanding each other. I hope you don’t mind that I tackle it in this fashion. I will attempt in every case to identify scripture or the lack of scriptural reference. Lord willing within the context of what God would have us comprehend we will find His truth.

Church
First one must define church as used in scripture. Easy to automatically provide the definition from our current perspective of what a church must be. Many people today understand the church as a building or denomination. This is not a complete biblical understanding of church. The word “church” comes from the Greek word ekklesia which is defined as “an assembly” or “called-out ones.” The root meaning of “church” is not that of a building, but of people. It is ironic that when you ask people what church they attend, they usually identify a building. The following verse I used to show Paul addressing "the church" as a body of believers and not a building/denomination. Romans 16:5 says “… greet the church that is in their house.” Paul refers to the church in their house—not a church building, but a body of believers.

How does one come to this? First one must see who the Creator of the Church is.

Jesus Christ Co-Creator
You can see this clearly that the church is the body of Christ, of which He is the head in the following scripture reading.

Ephesians 1:22-23 says, “And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.”

Holy Spirit Co-Creator
Keep in mind as well that the Holy Spirit was co-creator of the church.

Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
Ephesians 2:19-22 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints, and of the household of God; (20) And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner [stone]; (21) In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: (22) In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

Where is this "...habitation of God through the Spirit."?

Body of Christ
The phrase “the Body of Christ” is a common New Testament metaphor for the Church (all those who are truly saved).

Romans 12:5 So we, [being] many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.
1 Corinthians 10:17 For we [being] many are one bread, [and] one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread.
1 Corinthians 12:27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
Ephesians 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
Hebrews 13:3 Remember them that are in bonds, as bound with them; [and] them which suffer adversity, as being yourselves also in the body.
Ephesians 5:24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so [let] the wives [be] to their own husbands in every thing.
Colossians 1:24 Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:
Ephesians 4:3-6 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. (4) [There is] one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; (5) One Lord, one faith, one baptism, (6) One God and Father of all, who [is] above all, and through all, and in you all.

Our need to name things I believe is a Godly direction, that goes all the way back to Genesis. So in this light, for lack of giving the church a specific name or one so general as just "church" which might not be so bad as long as we know the builder and who resides there, I'll add one.

Universal Church
The universal church consists of all believers in Christ Jesus.

1 Corinthians 12:13 “For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or - Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.”.
Colossians 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all [things] he might have the preeminence.
Ephesians 1:22-23 And hath put all [things] under his feet, and gave him [to be] the head over all [things] to the church, [23] Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

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One consistency I've seen which crosses all denominations, languages, race, what have you, of believers and that is Jesus Christ. That He lived, died on the Cross, and He has Risen! I seen this to be true, just by mentioning His name, to a couple who did not know English, so were distrustful of me, didn't understand a word I was saying, until I said "Jesus Christ", pointed up with my finger and tapped my heart. The biggest similes you could imagine lit up their faces! Truly One Body! Alleluia, Alleluia, Alleluia! As I mentioned when I first started, I pray this does not become a hindrance to anyone.
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With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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[therealletruth]

I've since written a book on this called Who Rides the White Horse Who Will Ride the White Horse . Long Title I know , Anyways, Rev:22: 18,19
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. 2 of the last 3 verses of Gods Word. The last thing He said in His Word DON'T ADD OR SUBTRACT... So all of our Gods Words are exacly the same right. Oops my bad
2 Thessalonians 2
Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; ...

Sorry Ya'll , That man of Sin is the Antichrist . Now what makes every1 think that there will ownly be one antichrist, again sorry there are & will be many past, present, & future. I say that all the preachers are and always have been fighting for the RIGHT to be the rider of that WHITE HORSE. Just Y did God wright this verse .
Matthew 7:23
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

 

[therealletruth]

I once wrote this concerning the need to define what church was according to Scripture. Was/Is it a denomination, or maybe a place where people came together, in other words to assemble, or could it be that the Church is actually the people?

The following is something put together not too long ago in a discussion I was having with someone who is Catholic and believes there's the only one true church. In looking at this subject, it became apparent that church in scripture is identified specific to locations, but more importantly to a body of believers at said locations. Even Revelations in the letters to the churches (multiple) deals with the behaviors of the congregations, not one shoe fits all as is the inclination with most denominations. The church I currently attend, never did answer this question when posed to them View attachment 416So through reading and praying the conclusion to me is that there is a Universal Church (My term only.), but not one which has ceilings, walls, or any worldly attributes we look to infuse in it.

My suggestion, if one is looking for one, is to seek one that is founded, and adheres to the Holy Bible, is willing to answer questions put before them, one that prays, does and not just talks about the Great Commission, in charity, service and exhibits the Love that God has shown us through His Son Jesus, to a lost and dying world.

I pray that this post may be for the edification and not a hindrance to anyone. In the name of Jesus Christ I ask this Amen.
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I have to first start defining certain words so we can see if we’re actually using the same Dictionary. It’s easy to use the same words, but as I’m coming to find out is that at times we are using different dictionaries, which might create difficulty in understanding each other. I hope you don’t mind that I tackle it in this fashion. I will attempt in every case to identify scripture or the lack of scriptural reference. Lord willing within the context of what God would have us comprehend we will find His truth.

Church
First one must define church as used in scripture. Easy to automatically provide the definition from our current perspective of what a church must be. Many people today understand the church as a building or denomination. This is not a complete biblical understanding of church. The word “church” comes from the Greek word ekklesia which is defined as “an assembly” or “called-out ones.” The root meaning of “church” is not that of a building, but of people. It is ironic that when you ask people what church they attend, they usually identify a building. The following verse I used to show Paul addressing "the church" as a body of believers and not a building/denomination. Romans 16:5 says “… greet the church that is in their house.” Paul refers to the church in their house—not a church building, but a body of believers.

How does one come to this? First one must see who the Creator of the Church is.

Jesus Christ Co-Creator
You can see this clearly that the church is the body of Christ, of which He is the head in the following scripture reading.

Ephesians 1:22-23 says, “And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.”

Holy Spirit Co-Creator
Keep in mind as well that the Holy Spirit was co-creator of the church.

Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
Ephesians 2:19-22 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints, and of the household of God; (20) And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner [stone]; (21) In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: (22) In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

Where is this "...habitation of God through the Spirit."?

Body of Christ
The phrase “the Body of Christ” is a common New Testament metaphor for the Church (all those who are truly saved).

Romans 12:5 So we, [being] many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.
1 Corinthians 10:17 For we [being] many are one bread, [and] one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread.
1 Corinthians 12:27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
Ephesians 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
Hebrews 13:3 Remember them that are in bonds, as bound with them; [and] them which suffer adversity, as being yourselves also in the body.
Ephesians 5:24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so [let] the wives [be] to their own husbands in every thing.
Colossians 1:24 Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:
Ephesians 4:3-6 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. (4) [There is] one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; (5) One Lord, one faith, one baptism, (6) One God and Father of all, who [is] above all, and through all, and in you all.

Our need to name things I believe is a Godly direction, that goes all the way back to Genesis. So in this light, for lack of giving the church a specific name or one so general as just "church" which might not be so bad as long as we know the builder and who resides there, I'll add one.

Universal Church
The universal church consists of all believers in Christ Jesus.

1 Corinthians 12:13 “For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or - Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.”.
Colossians 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all [things] he might have the preeminence.
Ephesians 1:22-23 And hath put all [things] under his feet, and gave him [to be] the head over all [things] to the church, [23] Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

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One consistency I've seen which crosses all denominations, languages, race, what have you, of believers and that is Jesus Christ. That He lived, died on the Cross, and He has Risen! I seen this to be true, just by mentioning His name, to a couple who did not know English, so were distrustful of me, didn't understand a word I was saying, until I said "Jesus Christ", pointed up with my finger and tapped my heart. The biggest similes you could imagine lit up their faces! Truly One Body! Alleluia, Alleluia, Alleluia! As I mentioned when I first started, I pray this does not become a hindrance to anyone.
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With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
<><

Church is not a building or denomination ,,, Jesus preached on a mountain and i don't belive all the attendees were of the same denomiation. Sometimes the Bible just makes sense not contravercies