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Child like faith?

Mark 10:14-15
But when Jesus saw it, he was indignant and said to them, “Let the children come to me; do not hinder them, for to such belongs the kingdom of God. Truly, I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a child shall not enter it.

Matthew 18:3
And said, “Truly, I say to you, unless you turn and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

Proverbs 3:5-6
Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make straight your paths.

Wondering what this means to you?? seems to me that we are to trust father God just like a young child trusts his earthly father in a way. as a

what does the above scripture say to you??

Mark 10:14-15
Matthew 18:3
Proverbs 3:5-6

Hello Dave M,

What do the above Scriptures mean to me?

A Child is the son of his father, born according to his Father's will, his workmanship. Those who have been born from above, by God's grace, on the basis of the sacrificial work of Christ, are sons of God, born in accordance with the Father's will.

A child comes before his loving Father with boldness, because he has no doubt that he is accepted, and we are also accepted in God's beloved Son, so can approach His throne of grace with boldness. The love of God the Father keeps no record of wrongs, all is forgiven - in Christ Jesus our Lord.

We are His workmanship . He has begotten us unto a living hope.

Praise His Holy Name!

In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
Is this so? What is James saying?

"But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.
Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God.
Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be." James 3:8-10

It ought not so to be, but I have seen it too often in people. For Jesus on the one hand and for themselves or the devil on the other: double mindedness.

Jesus killed the "old man" of temptation in Himself and each of us need to do the same. Jesus paid the price to make it a possibility. We have the Holy Ghost and the written Scriptures to help us to make all the way to where God wants us to be.
He's talking about you taking your old nature captive and transitioning to your new nature...The nature of God
 
Is this so? What is James saying?

"But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.
Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God.
Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be." James 3:8-10

It ought not so to be, but I have seen it too often in people. For Jesus on the one hand and for themselves or the devil on the other: double mindedness.

Jesus killed the "old man" of temptation in Himself and each of us need to do the same. Jesus paid the price to make it a possibility. We have the Holy Ghost and the written Scriptures to help us to make all the way to where God wants us to be.
As I said my friend...When you were born again the old man died. Then you were born again a brand new creation.
2 Corinthians 5:16-19 (CJB)
16 So from now on, we do not look at anyone from a worldly viewpoint. Even if we once regarded the Messiah from a worldly viewpoint, we do so no longer. 17 Therefore, if anyone is united with the Messiah, he is a new creation — the old has passed; look, what has come is fresh and new! 18 And it is all from God, who through the Messiah has reconciled us to himself and has given us the work of that reconciliation, 19 which is that God in the Messiah was reconciling mankind to himself, not counting their sins against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation.

Then all we have to do is to work to change our old way of thinking..From the worldly way, the fleshly way...to Gods way. You never need to kill a dead man.
It would be wise if a person changed their thinking from Sin conciousness to Righteousness conciousness first thing....Christians are so sin concious right now they don't even know that they are not sinners anymore!
 
So you're saying that the death Jesus suffered for you on the cross was not good enough? You're saying that what He could not do, you did for Him?
Hardly,
If He hadn't "died on the cross" AND been resurrected from the dead, we wouldn't be able to be baptized into that death, burial, and resurrection.
The "man of flesh" would still be running around in darkness, and not be the man of the Spirit walking in the Light..
Peter writes..."Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;" (1 Peter 4:1)
I "suffered in the flesh" when I was crucified with Him.

Were you not "baptized into Christ and into His death"? (Rom 6:3-6)
 
As I said my friend...When you were born again the old man died. Then you were born again a brand new creation.
2 Corinthians 5:16-19 (CJB)
16 So from now on, we do not look at anyone from a worldly viewpoint. Even if we once regarded the Messiah from a worldly viewpoint, we do so no longer. 17 Therefore, if anyone is united with the Messiah, he is a new creation — the old has passed; look, what has come is fresh and new! 18 And it is all from God, who through the Messiah has reconciled us to himself and has given us the work of that reconciliation, 19 which is that God in the Messiah was reconciling mankind to himself, not counting their sins against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation.

Then all we have to do is to work to change our old way of thinking..From the worldly way, the fleshly way...to Gods way. You never need to kill a dead man.
It would be wise if a person changed their thinking from Sin conciousness to Righteousness conciousness first thing....Christians are so sin concious right now they don't even know that they are not sinners anymore!
They are not sinners anymore only if they don't sin anymore.
 
Well. That puts " lie" to the promise that we are made the righteousness of God. We cannot be sinners and righteous at the same time

you know I am not sure of that, our spirits are born again and made Righteous through Jesus Christ, are flesh is still wicked and evil and we must wage war against it every day. Seems the desires of the flesh do not change, but now because our spirit is made righteous through Jesus Christ we have the power to say no to the flesh. Seems out spirit is changed not the flesh.

Galatians 5:16
But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh.

Romans 8:6
For to set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace.
 
Well. That puts " lie" to the promise that we are made the righteousness of God. We cannot be sinners and righteous at the same time
Not sure I understand you.
Is there another way to word..."That puts "lie" to the promise..."?
 
you know I am not sure of that, our spirits are born again and made Righteous through Jesus Christ, are flesh is still wicked and evil and we must wage war against it every day. Seems the desires of the flesh do not change, but now because our spirit is made righteous through Jesus Christ we have the power to say no to the flesh. Seems out spirit is changed not the flesh.
Have you never read..."And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts." (Gal 5:24)
You are waging war on something already killed at baptism into Christ's death.
BTW, it is written..."Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new." (2 Cor 5:17)
How can only part of you "become new"?

But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh.
Romans 8:6
For to set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace.
Excellent exhortations for the reborn man of God.
I'm sure glad God has made it possible to obey Him.
 
Not sure I understand you.
Is there another way to word..."That puts "lie" to the promise..."?
Simplly put, my friend, Either you are wrong or God is wrong. Either you are repeating a lie or God is lying.....We are made the righteousness of God....or we are sinners....Which is it?

I see scripture that tells us we are made the righteousness of God but I see no scripture that says a born again Christian is a sinner
 
As I said my friend...When you were born again the old man died. Then you were born again a brand new creation.
2 Corinthians 5:16-19 (CJB)
16 So from now on, we do not look at anyone from a worldly viewpoint. Even if we once regarded the Messiah from a worldly viewpoint, we do so no longer. 17 Therefore, if anyone is united with the Messiah, he is a new creation — the old has passed; look, what has come is fresh and new! 18 And it is all from God, who through the Messiah has reconciled us to himself and has given us the work of that reconciliation, 19 which is that God in the Messiah was reconciling mankind to himself, not counting their sins against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation.

Then all we have to do is to work to change our old way of thinking..From the worldly way, the fleshly way...to Gods way. You never need to kill a dead man.
It would be wise if a person changed their thinking from Sin conciousness to Righteousness conciousness first thing....Christians are so sin concious right now they don't even know that they are not sinners anymore!
So perhaps we are understanding things differently then. I see the two natures within struggling. The new man has all of the advantage, but the old man is still there wanting to regain the dominion. The old man has no chance unless we quench the Spirit too often. Too many people, I believe, do exactly that. They quench the Holy Spirit in them and block God's work within us.

As to the old man dying, to my understanding he has never been alive. Adam and Eve died when they ate of the wrong. All of their descendants were born dead. Jesus came and reopened the Door/Gate to the Tree of Life that had been closed. I guess the question we might ask is, when is a person born again and when does person become and overcomer as Jesus became an overcomer. Jesus says that he did it here:

"These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world." John 16:33

While we were dead in sin we could not do it. Jesus brought Life so that we could do it.
 
Simplly put, my friend, Either you are wrong or God is wrong. Either you are repeating a lie or God is lying.....We are made the righteousness of God....or we are sinners....Which is it?

I see scripture that tells us we are made the righteousness of God but I see no scripture that says a born again Christian is a sinner

A lie is a deliberate attempt to deceive, a in correct interpretation is something that has no deceit in it. I think your words are to harsh brother
 
Well. That puts " lie" to the promise that we are made the righteousness of God. We cannot be sinners and righteous at the same time
God can and does as he wishes....it is his righteousness in us...not our righteousness, that would be as filthy rags to God.
 
So perhaps we are understanding things differently then. I see the two natures within struggling. The new man has all of the advantage, but the old man is still there wanting to regain the dominion. The old man has no chance unless we quench the Spirit too often. Too many people, I believe, do exactly that. They quench the Holy Spirit in them and block God's work within us.

As to the old man dying, to my understanding he has never been alive. Adam and Eve died when they ate of the wrong. All of their descendants were born dead. Jesus came and reopened the Door/Gate to the Tree of Life that had been closed. I guess the question we might ask is, when is a person born again and when does person become and overcomer as Jesus became an overcomer. Jesus says that he did it here:

"These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world." John 16:33

While we were dead in sin we could not do it. Jesus brought Life so that we could do it.
Wow! We are really playing with semantics here!
Romans 8 (CJB)
8 Therefore, there is no longer any condemnation awaiting those who are in union with the Messiah Yeshua. 2 Why? Because the Torah of the Spirit, which produces this life in union with Messiah Yeshua, has set me free from the “Torah” of sin and death. 3 For what the Torah could not do by itself, because it lacked the power to make the old nature cooperate, God did by sending his own Son as a human being with a nature like our own sinful one [but without sin]. God did this in order to deal with sin, and in so doing he executed the punishment against sin in human nature, 4 so that the just requirement of the Torah might be fulfilled in us who do not run our lives according to what our old nature wants but according to what the Spirit wants. 5 For those who identify with their old nature set their minds on the things of the old nature, but those who identify with the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. 6 Having one’s mind controlled by the old nature is death, but having one’s mind controlled by the Spirit is life and shalom. 7 For the mind controlled by the old nature is hostile to God, because it does not submit itself to God’s Torah — indeed, it cannot. 8 Thus, those who identify with their old nature cannot please God.

9 But you, you do not identify with your old nature but with the Spirit — provided the Spirit of God is living inside you, for anyone who doesn’t have the Spirit of the Messiah doesn’t belong to him. 10 However, if the Messiah is in you, then, on the one hand, the body is dead because of sin; but, on the other hand, the Spirit is giving life because God considers you righteous. 11 And if the Spirit of the One who raised Yeshua from the dead is living in you, then the One who raised the Messiah Yeshua from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit living in you.

12 So then, brothers, we don’t owe a thing to our old nature that would require us to live according to our old nature. 13 For if you live according to your old nature, you will certainly die; but if, by the Spirit, you keep putting to death the practices of the body, you will live.
2 Corinthians 5:17 (YLT)
17 so that if any one [is] in Christ -- [he is] a new creature; the old things did pass away, lo, become new have the all things.

Keep in mind, you cannot become a new creature unless the old one passes away.

We're not fighting the flesh, that is our body, we are fighting our old way of thinking...All of our battle is in our minds.
 
The hope of His calling.

By Pieter Kirstein

There is a hope in the upward call of God in Christ to be crowned with honor and to receive the victor's crown of the overcomer as a co-heir with Christ but if we resist, if we refuse to deny ourselves and walk in the way of the cross unto the death of self we shall lose our crowns.

Salvation is a gift afforded through the redemption of the blood of Christ but it's a whole different story to receive the crown of the overcomer that the Spirit speak about in Revelation 3:21 To him that overcomes will I grant to sit with me in My throne, even as I also overcame, and sat down with My Father in his throne.

Jesus humbled himself in the Presence of God the Father and He became obedient unto the call of the cross even to the point of death and only then could Christ be raised up into that place of victory and honor.

IF HE COULD NOT SIDESTEP THE PRICE WHICH HE HAD TO PAY NEITHER CAN WE IF WE DESIRE TO SIT WITH HIM IN THE HIGHEST PLACE OF HONOR

Philippians 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, He humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

9 Therefore God also has highly exalted Him, and given Him a name which is above every name.

Romans 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with Him, so that we may be also glorified together.

To deny oneself by taking up the cross means to deny your sinful fleshly man it's deceptive stubborn right to do what it wants and to live as it desires to live contrary to the life of the Son of God. When we receive the incorruptible seed of God and we become infused with His divine nature through the supernatural new birth of His Spirit we enter the kingdom of our heavenly Father that is contrary to the kingdoms of this world. We enter a spiritual wrestling match against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in heavenly places.

We discover that God rescued us out of the kingdom of darkness of which we read in Ephesians 2:

1 And you has He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins:

2 In which in time past you walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now works in the children of disobedience:

3 Among whom also we all had our behavior in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for His great love with which He loved us,

5 Even when we were dead in sins, has made us alive together with Christ, (by grace you are saved;)

6 And has raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus.

If we are going to be victorious in our walk with God then we need to shift our attention and focus heavenward as if we actually realise and believe that we do sit in that place of authority and victory. To be victorious in and through Christ means that we will have to allow Him to exercise His power and rule over our lives to dismantle and dethrone everything within our hearts and minds that wants to resist Him and prevent us from living in agreement with our blessed GOD.

JESUS TOLD THOSE WHO WANT TO BE COUNTED WORTHY OF HIM TO WALK THE ROAD OF THE CROSS. HE HAD TO PAY THE PRICE THROUGH HIS CROSS TO BE CROWNED WITH GLORY AND HONOR AND WE SEE THIS IN John 12: 23 And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified.

24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a grain of wheat falls into the ground and dies, it abides alone: but if it dies, it brings forth much fruit.

25 He that loves his life shall lose it; and he that hates his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.

26 If any man serves Me, let him follow Me; and where I am, there shall also My servant be: if any man serves Ne, him will My Father honor.

We are called to walk in the same if we want to receive honor from the Father but most are ignorant of this fact. Ours is not a physical cross although many saints have been martyred for their Christian faith through crucifixion. Our cross is the pathway of death unto the self life by which we submit ourselves willingly to be stripped of our former sinful way of life so that we may become useful selfless servants in the kingdom of our Father.

Ours is a walk in the likeness and the similitude of our Messiah Lord to allow the deep work of the cross to bring us to the very end of ourselves and into the fullness of our GOD.

It's a spiritual baptism of suffering through the purification fires of the Spirit of burning to bring us forth as holiness unto the Lord as a bride without spot or blemish.

We see this work being done by God in the Person of Jesus as we read in Ephesians 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

4 According as he has chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, in which he has made us accepted in the beloved.

7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

8 Which he has abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;

9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he has purposed in himself:

10 That in the dispensation of the fullness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who works all things after the counsel of his own will:

12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.

13 In whom you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after you believed, you were sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise,

14 Who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

15 Therefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus, and love unto all the saints,

16 Cease not to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers;

17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:

18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that you may know what is the hope of his calling, and what is the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,

19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power toward us who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,

20 Which he performed in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,

21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age, but also in that which is to come:

22 And has put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,

23 Which is his body, the fullness of him that fills all in all.

In verse 18 we see that there is a hope revealed in the call of God upon the life of each of His children. It's not to say that everyone is going to make it. It's not to say that everyone is going to be an overcoming saint for most people don't realise that we have a race to run. We have been called to abandon all folly and the old life in the flesh if we desire to be crowned with honor and glory.

Jesus through the finished work of the cross indeed have opened the way for us but few there be that actually pursue the upward call of God in Christ to be allowed a place with Him in His throne.

Ephesians 1 speaks to us about what Jesus accomplished on our behalf but then Paul prayed from verse 17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him: 18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that you may know what is the hope of His calling, and what is the riches of the glory of His inheritance in the saints.

In Philippians 2 we see the way we have to take and the price we have to pay if we desire to be raised up into that place of honor.

Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not a thing to be grasped to be equal with God:

7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon Him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

8 And being found in fashion as a man, He humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

9 Therefore God also has highly exalted Him, and given Him a name which is above every name:

10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

The same calling goes forth in the way of the cross in 1 Peter 4

1 Since therefore Christ has suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin;

2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.

3 For the time past of our life will suffice us to have done the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in licentiousness, lusts, excess of wine, reveling, carousing, and abominable idolatries:

4 In which they think it strange that you run not with them to the same excess of dissipation, speaking evil of you:

5 Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the living and the dead.

The same calling to walk in the way of Jesus Christ is revealed unto us in Ephesians 4 although the way has already been opened through the finished work of the risen Savior. Through the finished work that God has accomplished through His Son He gave us all the opportunity to grow up unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ but most Christians are ignorant of these facts. Most are living in the level of salvation. Few are pursuing the crown of the overcomer.

Ephesians 4:17 This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that you no longer walk as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind,

18 Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:

19 Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto licentiousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.

20 But you have not so learned Christ;

21 If so be that you have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:

22 That you put off concerning the former way of life the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;

23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;

24 And that you put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

It's as the Lord clearly said to me one day during worship; "yes in Me and through Me all things does become new but first you must be willing to lay down the former way of life. Only those who follow Me through the cross can follow Me through the tomb into the glory and the freedom of the NEW CREATION"

2 Corinthians 5:15 And that He died for all, that they who live should no longer live unto themselves, but unto Him who died for them, and rose again.

16 Therefore from now on know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet from now on know we Him no more.

17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creation: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.



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A lie is a deliberate attempt to deceive, a in correct interpretation is something that has no deceit in it. I think your words are to harsh brother
If God said it and it is not true, then He lied....If we learned a lie and repeat it it's still a lie even if we don't know it. I'm not slamming anybody. Simply saying
 
Simplly put, my friend, Either you are wrong or God is wrong. Either you are repeating a lie or God is lying.....We are made the righteousness of God....or we are sinners....Which is it?
If one still sins, they have not been made the righteousness of God.

I see scripture that tells us we are made the righteousness of God but I see no scripture that says a born again Christian is a sinner
That is because born again men don't commit sin anymore.
Their repentance from sin was real, and thus, forever.
 
If a person still ever does anything that displeases God, has he attained to what God wants him to attain? If we say that Jesus did it all for us, are we telling the truth if we ever let our minds, our eyes or our actions wander and dwell in places which according to scripture are abominable to God?

What Jesus did was make it possible to reach a place that pleases God, but he did not take us to that place. We have to travel that road ourselves now that He has made it a possibility.

Our first repentance was a good thing, but if since then we have still missed the mark of doing all things pleasing to God all of the time, do we really believe that He does not expect more from us?

He gave us the means to do what Jesus did. If we deny that are we not calling God a liar?

If our bodies do not conform to what our hearts know is right, who are we to effectively say, "well God understands and Jesus has already made it all OK"? If it was an abomination to God before Jesus opened the Door, it is still an abomination to Him now... and even more so, because now we are really without excuse.


"But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more." Luke 12:48

What is the Holy Spirit and what are the written scriptures? Did Jesus come so that any of us could continue to say, "Well no man can be perfect"'? That is saying God sent His Son for nothing. It is saying that God in us is unable to accomplish what we alone definitely cannot do. That is limiting God by our lack of faith...

The Word of God can accomplish it all in us, but if we do not love God more than we love our flesh, we will continue to give the dominion back to the flesh no matter how sincerely we supposedly were in our words of repentance:

"And they were astonished out of measure, saying among themselves, Who then can be saved?
And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible." Mark 10:26-27

And what is it that we have in us?

"To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:" Col 1:27
 
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