Charlie Kirk

[Twistie]

The question is what does it mean to provide, how much do we need ourselves before we decide to help others, and i say need, not want, when there are 1 billion men, women and children living in abject poverty on less than a couple of $ a day, when around 15,000 children die every day from malnutrition and disease, when the Christ we profess to follow says that we should "Deny ourselves, take up our cross and follow him" and that in the face of the hungry, the homeless, the sick, the thir5sty and imprisoned we see him, then how much will it take to sayisfy our "providing" before we deem to help him?.

In this world of vast resources it shouldnt be a question of "us or them", we are ALL Gods children and we ALL deserve to be treated with Love and compassion no matter where we are born, there are enough resources to provide everyone with a decent life its only through the greed and selfishness of those who want to "provide" more than their fair share that Hunger, Poverty, suffering and Death consume so many.

Well if thats the case then the Love of God is surely not within them, God has provided enough for all, its only our sin that makes this world the Hell that it is for so many.

Could i ask you a question, you accused me of "spreading lies about Charlie Kirk", i'd be interested to know what i said to make you believe this?.

And you also accused me of "Not wanting to do the leg work" in finding out about CK, i think you misunderstand the nature of a discussion board, i make a statement, you say why you agree or why you dont agree with what ive said and we "discuss" until we come to an understanding of the others position, thats what makes this discussion board so important, for it brings people of differing views together who can talk, hopefully without rancour, and get to understand differing views of what it means to be a Follower of Christ.

What does it mean to provide?? Oh my.. please spend time with the Lord and allow Him to guide your ways..Just Be still n know He is God and wait patiently for the Lord to answer

I waited patiently for the Lord; and he inclined unto me, and heard my cry.

He brought me up also out of an horrible pit, out of the miry clay, and set my feet upon a rock, and established my goings.

And he hath put a new song in my mouth, even praise unto our God: many shall see it, and fear, and shall trust in the Lord.

Blessed is that man that maketh the Lord his trust, and respecteth not the proud, nor such as turn aside to lies.

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[Rad]

No. There were many stoned to death that did repent. It is common knowledge that an opportunity is always given. Even Muslims practice this today.

I am going to try a different angle. You and I cannot properly judge depths of hearts and minds. Only God can Jer 17:9-11. Before Jesus, 'Gods people (aka Jews at the time)' would therefore not attempt to play God. They would see a mortal sin and pass sentence. But with Jesus, the cross and the now very present Holy Spirit, things have changed. We can know that someone who becomes a Christian can truly have a changed heart and mind. Making it crystal clear that stoning any Christian guilty of a mortal sin to death, be an utter and complete waste of a life that can and will truly serve God. At the same time we can conclude that all living have an opportunity to truly repent of their sins and be made new creations in Christ. It is therefore not prudent for God to enforce the death penalty on anyone.

Agreed, I have seen many testimonies of prisoners waiting decades on death row who have undergone a miraculous change in their lives, they have replaced the hate and anger they once felt with a heart of compassion, even finding Christ in their hour of need, so much so that even relatives of those they murdered have called for their death sentence to be reprieved, none of us can truly know the hearts and minds of those around us or what motivates others to do what they do, we are ALL sinners, ALL in need of gods mercy and forgiveness and NONE of us are in a position to judge and condemn others , that is Gods prerogative alone.

This is true at large, but there are three exceptions that I see in the NT.

1. Stopping the work of God

Many say Ananias and Saphira died because they lied to the Peter. Whilst that was their sin, a deeper investigation shows that by withholding their true fortune from God, they were stifling God's plans for the early church. This resulted in their instant death.

But how do you know someone is "Stopping the work of God", despots and Charlatans throughout history have commanded that they are doing Gods work and that anyone that opposes them are opposing Gods will and are servants of the Devil, even the Nazis had "Gott mit Uns" on the belt buckles of their uniforms and Hitler wrote in Mein Kampf that in persecuting the Jews he was doing "the will of the Creator" and in the US today there are those that see Donald Trump as an instrument of God and any that oppose him as doing the work of the Devil.. So how would you know who is and who isnt "Stopping the work of God"?,

2. Betraying Jesus

Judas may have killed himself, but did God try stop him?

Again the question is who decides who is and who isnt "betraying jesus", as you rightly say we cant see into someones heart and soul, by definition ALL Christians believe they are following Christ in the way he wants them to, but given so many divergent views on what constitutes discipleship they cant all be right, so some are betraying Jesus, but who decides who they are, you, me, miserable sinners procalaiming who is the betrayer and who is true, i dont think so, leave that to God, who knows ALL and whose Judgement is righteous and just.

3. To uphold God given laws that are required to properly govern a society.

As explained very clearly by Paul in Romans 13:1–4, "Let every person be subject to the governing authorities… for he [the authority] is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. He is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God’s wrath on the wrongdoer.” and Acts 25:11 “If then I am a wrongdoer and have committed anything for which I deserve to die, I do not seek to escape death''. We see from the words of Jesus that these laws are influenced from above John 19:11 You would have no authority over me at all unless it had been given you

again, who decides what it means to "uphold God given laws that are required to properly govern a society", we have Christians from all sections of the political spectrum whose views on what constitutes "proper governance" differ widely, some see the cutting of provision for those in need, the massive spending on weapons and the military, the persecution of the "stranger" and the further enriching of the wealthy as "proper Governance", but is that what Christ commands, i think not, so to uphold a death sentence on those we deem "opposing Gods given laws that properly govern a society" would lead to a persecution reminiscent of the worst totalitarian regimes, Pinochet considered himself a Christian upholding Gods Laws in Chile by opposing Socialism and under his regime thousands were arrested, tortured and murdered, the same happened in Guatemala under Rios Montt in the 1980's when thousands of indigenous men, women and children were murdered in an attempt to destroy what the ruling military dictatorship held to be a threat to both Gods laws and the State. You are playing with fire, and when that happens ,people get burnt.

Now, the death penalty for Charlie Kirks murder definitely falls into point 3. You don't need the death penalty for all murderers. But you do need it for a murderer that can start a chain reaction of murders and have a massive negative impact on society.

And who decides what murders have a "massive negative impact on Society", would you call for the killer of the 2 democrat legislators a few months before CK 's murder to be put to death, and what of someone who slashes Overseas Aid causing the deaths of millions of the poorest men, women and children, should they be put to death for the "massive negative impact on their societies", or what of the arms sellers , bothy in the US and abroad, what of the Arms companies and the Politicians that supported them who sold Billions of $'s of weapons to Israel at the height of the genocide in Gaza where that society wasnt just massivrly negatively impacted", but totally destroyed, should they be put to death, and what of the Oil, Coal and Gas corporations that have sold their products throughout the world knowing full well the "massive negative impact" it would have on societies, what punishment for them, or the Drug companies, who through their policy of high pricing ,price essential drugs out of the reach of poor people leading to rampant disease and illnes that costs the lives of millions every year and untold suffering, and on, and on and on......, we live in a sinful world, a world driven by greed, selfishness, envy, hate and lust , a world that cares little for the suffering of others, a world where the Devil could offer Christ all of the Governments, because as he said, " All this power i will give to you, for it is delivered to me and to whomsoever i choose to give it to". We are A:LL sinners in a sinful world and NONE of us are so free of that sin that we can cast the first stone".

That is logical and a 'duh' judgement. Paul would rebuke Christians who could not judge matters better than the unsaved 1 Cor 6:1-9.

 

[Rad]

The Truth is just the Truth what is to discuss..? If the Truth is right or wrong?..
Remember what I wrote to you about long post with me??how I get lost with mans words?..
The Truth is very simple He is very easy to understand He is not like man who don't say what He don't mean..
I was brought up N. Philadelphia.. I watched what happened there with my own eyes . I seen what man is capable of the great evils.. I've seen "church" after "church" all denominations exchange hands from leader to leader I watch them scramble to get that cash to claim to send missionaries to other countries while the children in their neighborhood at they age of five are on street corners yelling boomba to signal the drug and gun dealers that the police are coming..I've seen the dead lye on the ground uncovered for hrs upon hrs shot up because the police n fire and ambulance people don't want to deal with the hood... I've had little children that were neighbors that were raped tortured n left for dead at the ages of three and up..

There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death

There's only one Truth man likes to force his will fact is tho the Truth will never bend to the will of man..

Like it written those that help others yet don't help their own are worse then an infindel..


Hope all's well..
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But i'll ask again, who decides what is the Truth and whats a lie, do you, do i, cause i bet we'll have totally different views on so many issues about what constitutes the "truth", this is why we need to discuss our version of whats true, and perhaps sometimes admit that we were wrong and need to change our truth and accept that we were in fact living a lie, not intentionally , but still living a lie, ..... so i'll ask again, why do you think i'm telling lies about CK, whats your truth about CK and more importantly why do you believe that, then perhaps we can both examine why we feel the way we do and if i'm wrong i'll admit it, but if youre wrong i hope you'll do the same.

Hope alls well with you too.

 

[Twistie]

But i'll ask again, who decides what is the Truth and whats a lie, do you, do i, cause i bet we'll have totally different views on so many issues about what constitutes the "truth", this is why we need to discuss our version of whats true, and perhaps sometimes admit that we were wrong and need to change our truth and accept that we were in fact living a lie, not intentionally , but still living a lie, ..... so i'll ask again, why do you think i'm telling lies about CK, whats your truth about CK and more importantly why do you believe that, then perhaps we can both examine why we feel the way we do and if i'm wrong i'll admit it, but if youre wrong i hope you'll do the same.

Hope alls well with you too.

But I will send you the Comforter from the Father. When he comes, he will give evidence about me. He is the Spirit of truth who comes from the Father...
The Lord has shown us all one gotta do hold counsel with the Lord in all things.. He does answer His children He does communicate with His children.. we as His children just gotta give Him the time to Hear Him to Allow Him to guide us in all our ways..

Ya ask how does one now how much to help or how to know what is Truth.. well the Lord Will reveal it to You so many seeking answers from man n many a man will provide an answer especially if one wanna pay for it but the Truth is all written for The people to see it's up to the people each and every one of us to Seek the Lord out and to Seek the Truth which only He is..
He tells us the kingdom of Heaven is within and it took me a long time to understand what He is saying and the Only reason I do it is because He revealed it to me.. man will never be able to teach spiritual teachings only the Spirit of the Lord can reveal and when He does one must not let their heart harden.. ya know when I first started to Heat Him I done thought I lost my mind.. to His voice was so much different then those I had all the years before that.. n then ones that would whisper to me boy oh boy they were not good at all no no no they were not..but the Lord His was inward and outward and all around and not once since I have begun developing this relationship I have with Him has He steered me into harming myself not those around me to put it simply..
See The Lord says who is the Greatest among us and He tells us it's the servant the one who serves that why He came to walk this world to Serve His Father and to show us the Way..He says the greatest gift one can give is their Life and He did just that . So how do we know when enough is enough in helping those who need help when the Lord calls us home then we know we have done enough l..


Ohhh idk I can be long winded perhaps I the Lord will send someone for me to Church with today in the flesh.. lol

Hope all's well . I so hope I'm at least partially keeping up with the convo..


This is good practice for me tho lol

Ttyl!!

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[Rad]

So, you are not correctly representing Charlies view. Sit back and think of the sin of a ''child sex offender''. It works up an emotion in all of us for an immediate death penalty. Do you think that if a sex offender repented of their sins and accepted Jesus as Lord, CK would call for their death? Yes or No?

Have you not seen the movie ''The sound of freedom''? I support the death penalty for all involved in this. You cannot have this in any society. There are governing laws required in a society that certainly over ride ''let him without sin cast the first stone'' that both Jesus and Paul acknowledged. As explained in my post directly above to you.

I think the death of any child should "work up an emotion" within us, not just those that are the victims of Sex offenders , but also those children who die through hunger, disease and war, who die in their millions just because theyre born into a world of Poverty and suffering, or who are born into war and destruction that blights so much of our world, should we execute ALL those responsible for such deaths, the queue would be ebdless, and who decides where it stops, no, the only answer is to live our lives as Christians with Justice, Mercy and Humility and leave the judgement and punishment to God who knows ALL and sees into our hearts.

Do i think CK would call for the death of a sex offender who repented of their sins, I dont know, seeing what i have of CK i doubt it, he spoke of a "life for a life", and seemed to be pleased about the deaths of those he considered unworthy of life, but who decides if theyve trfuly repented, who can see into the hearts of an offender and truly know theyre sorry for what theyve done but God alone, so who makes the call if their repentance is true and thus who shall live and who shall die, you, me, miserable sinners that we are pontificating on the fate of another miserable sinner?.

No i havent seen "The Sound of Freedom", ive just read an article about it, i'm wondering why you are so strongly against it but dont mention the many horrors going on in this world that are destroying people and the societies they live in, and as ive said before who decides which laws are required by a society to govern it properly?, remember in Nazi Germany, those that sheltered Anne Frank were breaking the law, those that Murdered her were following the law, you put too much faith in humanity, the only one we can truly trust and put our faith in is Christ, and his commandment that" Let him without sin cast the first stone" applies to us ALL, all those that profess to believe in him, no ifs or buts, that role of judgement and sentencing is his alone and not ours under any circumstances.

Could i also ask you a question that i asked Christ4Ever, Christ told a story of 2 men going to the temple to pray, a Pharisee and a Publican, the Pharisee trusted in his own righteousness, the Publican recognised what a miserable and unworthy sinner he was, who was justified, and who do you most identify with, a righteous man of God qualified to pass judgement on others, or an unworthy , miserable sinner that is only too well aware of his own wretched existence.?

 

[KingJ]

But how do you know someone is "Stopping the work of God", despots and Charlatans throughout history have commanded that they are doing Gods work and that anyone that opposes them are opposing Gods will and are servants of the Devil, even the Nazis had "Gott mit Uns" on the belt buckles of their uniforms and Hitler wrote in Mein Kampf that in persecuting the Jews he was doing "the will of the Creator" and in the US today there are those that see Donald Trump as an instrument of God and any that oppose him as doing the work of the Devil.. So how would you know who is and who isnt "Stopping the work of God"?,

In the example given, God killed them. You and I cannot always discern this with others. But, we can with ourselves 1 Cor 11:31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. Ananias and Saphira knew exactly what they were doing.

We can learn two important lessons from their example.

1. As a Christian committing or continuing in a mortal sin can result in God giving you a 'final destination type' death penalty.
2. Anyone opposing the work of the Holy Spirit, could receive a 'final destination type' death penalty.

It is important to note that Ananias and Saphira were a lot more informed about God than the average person. They were more accountable for their actions. Paul explains in 1 Cor 5 that we must not even eat at the same table as a Christian in a mortal sin, but if they are not a Christian, you can. That would apply to the examples you provided.

Again the question is who decides who is and who isnt "betraying jesus", as you rightly say we cant see into someones heart and soul, by definition ALL Christians believe they are following Christ in the way he wants them to, but given so many divergent views on what constitutes discipleship they cant all be right, so some are betraying Jesus, but who decides who they are, you, me, miserable sinners procalaiming who is the betrayer and who is true, i dont think so, leave that to God, who knows ALL and whose Judgement is righteous and just.

Similar to my explanation above, Christians are more accountable. Judas was an informed individual. All Christians and Jews are held to a higher level of accountability. Disciples probably as much as Christians as they walked with Jesus 24/7 and saw many miracles.

Same as comment above, the death penalty here is God's doing.

again, who decides what it means to "uphold God given laws that are required to properly govern a society", we have Christians from all sections of the political spectrum whose views on what constitutes "proper governance" differ widely, some see the cutting of provision for those in need, the massive spending on weapons and the military, the persecution of the "stranger" and the further enriching of the wealthy as "proper Governance", but is that what Christ commands, i think not, so to uphold a death sentence on those we deem "opposing Gods given laws that properly govern a society" would lead to a persecution reminiscent of the worst totalitarian regimes, Pinochet considered himself a Christian upholding Gods Laws in Chile by opposing Socialism and under his regime thousands were arrested, tortured and murdered, the same happened in Guatemala under Rios Montt in the 1980's when thousands of indigenous men, women and children were murdered in an attempt to destroy what the ruling military dictatorship held to be a threat to both Gods laws and the State. You are playing with fire, and when that happens ,people get burnt.

I feel you are creating rabbit trails.

The discussion is on moral laws and crimes that warrant capital punishment. Do you think Christians would disagree on an extremely long sentence for a murderer and the death penalty for a serial killer?

And who decides what murders have a "massive negative impact on Society",

Whoever is in power. Fortunately the USA has a good president. If perhaps Karmala was in, CK's killer would be out on bail.

CK's murder was public and aimed at sending a clear message to the right and to Christians.

would you call for the killer of the 2 democrat legislators a few months before CK 's murder to be put to death,

No, I am not a Democrat. I would need to hear the full case a couple of times before any prosecution as that party has shown itself to be evil and untrustworthy.

I am biased to Christian parties and Christian leaders. For obvious reasons.

and what of someone who slashes Overseas Aid causing the deaths of millions of the poorest men, women and children, should they be put to death for the "massive negative impact on their societies",

It would depend. If it is policies by the Democrats, the answer directly above applies.

or what of the arms sellers , bothy in the US and abroad, what of the Arms companies and the Politicians that supported them who sold Billions of $'s of weapons to Israel at the height of the genocide in Gaza where that society wasnt just massivrly negatively impacted", but totally destroyed, should they be put to death,

This is most often a grey area. Not always easy to prove and find a culprit. If I were a leader I would try to. I see Trump is trying. He should investigate Hillary on Libya for example. That was a massacre she needs to account for.

and what of the Oil, Coal and Gas corporations that have sold their products throughout the world knowing full well the "massive negative impact" it would have on societies, what punishment for them, or the Drug companies,

You are running with 'negative impact' into rabbit holes. Run with it from a Christian perspective.

We are A:LL sinners in a sinful world and NONE of us are so free of that sin that we can cast the first stone".

You are making that poor line say more than it was ever intended to say and you are incorrect.

Christians are not sin'ners'. Non Christians, fake Christians are. A Christian is by definition a repentant sinner Luke 5:32, Rev 3:20, psalm 51:17, James 4:8.

The context is judgement of punishment and a new dispensation Jesus was ushering in. Why did Jesus not say the law was wrong?

Quoting that line out of its context is pushing a half truth. Just like the devil did to Jesus in Matt 4.

You have yet to read and comment on this thread that explains the context of your cherry picked line - Are Christians to judge others?

 

[Rad]

In the example given, God killed them. You and I cannot always discern this with others. But, we can with ourselves 1 Cor 11:31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. Ananias and Saphira knew exactly what they were doing.

We can learn two important lessons from their example.

1. As a Christian committing or continuing in a mortal sin can result in God giving you a 'final destination type' death penalty.
2. Anyone opposing the work of the Holy Spirit, could receive a 'final destination type' death penalty.

It is important to note that Ananias and Saphira were a lot more informed about God than the average person. They were more accountable for their actions. Paul explains in 1 Cor 5 that we must not even eat at the same table as a Christian in a mortal sin, but if they are not a Christian, you can. That would apply to the examples you provided.



Similar to my explanation above, Christians are more accountable. Judas was an informed individual. All Christians and Jews are held to a higher level of accountability. Disciples probably as much as Christians as they walked with Jesus 24/7 and saw many miracles.

Same as comment above, the death penalty here is God's doing.



I feel you are creating rabbit trails.

The discussion is on moral laws and crimes that warrant capital punishment. Do you think Christians would disagree on an extremely long sentence for a murderer and the death penalty for a serial killer?



Whoever is in power. Fortunately the USA has a good president. If perhaps Karmala was in, CK's killer would be out on bail.

CK's murder was public and aimed at sending a clear message to the right and to Christians.



No, I am not a Democrat. I would need to hear the full case a couple of times before any prosecution as that party has shown itself to be evil and untrustworthy.

I am biased to Christian parties and Christian leaders. For obvious reasons.



It would depend. If it is policies by the Democrats, the answer directly above applies.



This is most often a grey area. Not always easy to prove and find a culprit. If I were a leader I would try to. I see Trump is trying. He should investigate Hillary on Libya for example. That was a massacre she needs to account for.



You are running with 'negative impact' into rabbit holes. Run with it from a Christian perspective.



You are making that poor line say more than it was ever intended to say and you are incorrect.

Christians are not sin'ners'. Non Christians, fake Christians are. A Christian is by definition a repentant sinner Luke 5:32, Rev 3:20, psalm 51:17, James 4:8.

The context is judgement of punishment and a new dispensation Jesus was ushering in. Why did Jesus not say the law was wrong?

Quoting that line out of its context is pushing a half truth. Just like the devil did to Jesus in Matt 4.

You have yet to read and comment on this thread that explains the context of your cherry picked line - Are Christians to judge others?

Wow!!, i've got to say while reading that reply two quotes from Christ came to mind, "From the abundance of the Heart the mouth speaks", and "By their fruits you shall know them", and a bit later after reading it all, Christs words in Matthew 15:8 " ‘These people draw near to Me with their mouths, and they honor Me with their lips, but their hearts are far from Me", its hard to know just where to begin, theres so much thats so wrong about your way of thinking.

You start with the premise that you are a Christian, a follower of Christ, yet in truth i see little in your words that indicate that, you probably feel exactly the same about me, and i take it you judge yourself as i constantly judge myself against Christs words and commandments, but while you seem convinced in your own righteousness, your own certainty that you are a true follower of Christ , i see myself as a miserable sinner, constantly having to ask God for forgiveness for the wretched state of my life,........... and you never answered my question. Christ told a parable of 2 men who went to the Temple to pray, a Pharisee convinced of his own righteousness and a publican knowing just what a sinner he was, who do you most identify with?, i'd be interested to know

You seem to have tied your faith and your morality to a political Party which you believe is more "Christian", but i see little that is Christ like in either the Republican Party or its leader, the same as i see little that is Christ like in any political Party or their leaders, for they are ALL interested in power and Riches, and thats why i see the truth in Luke 4:6, for the Devil is truly in control of the Governments of this world. You have put your trust in Leaders, and you really need to read Matthew 24 particularly vs 24 to understand the dangers of this.

I would love to know just why you consider Trump to be such a "Good President", and which of his personal attributes and policies make him a good choice for a Christian to follow, I believe that we should follow no one, put our faith and our trust in no Earthly body, our faith and trust should be in God alone and our adherence alone to Christs teachings, to do any differently is to become as you put it, a "non or Fake Christian", who follows the teachings of men and not God.

It is obvious that we are going to have to agree to disagree on this issue, it seems that you consider yourself, as a repentant Christian, to be without sin and thus able to cast the first stone, seems to me thats a pretty big assumption on your part, how do you know youre not one of those many Christians that Christ will reject saying "i know you not", and how do you know that all your sins have been forgiven, especially if you continue to commit them, the possession of wealth and riches and a disregard for the poor and oppressed are mortal sins for which Christ will condemn those that commit them to eternal damnation, have you stopped perpetrating them?, have you asked for forgiveness?, and coming back to the this thread, i also think that the taking of life, any life, no matter what the reason ,is a sin, and those that support the death penalty will have to answer for their support of such an action when Christ clearly stated " Let him without sin cast the first stone" and "Do not judge ,... for what judgement you mete out will be given to you also".

I say again to you, "We are ALL sinners in a sinful world and NONE of us are so free of sin that we can cast the first stone", i pray you let those words sink deep into your Heart and that you too may be changed.

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[KingJ]

It is obvious that we are going to have to agree to disagree on this issue,

There is no agreeing to disagree. You dodge and pick the lines you read and digest. "There are none so blind as those who will not see."

I say again to you, "We are ALL sinners in a sinful world and NONE of us are so free of sin that we can cast the first stone", i pray you let those words sink deep into your Heart and that you too may be changed..

For the umpteenth time, you are cherry picking that line and clearly completely and utterly unteachable.

There is a very clear and ''duh'' world of difference between:

1. Mortal and venial sinners.
2. Repentant and unrepentant Christians.

In the OT in Hades, there was a separation of sinner and sinner. When you can grasp that we can discuss further.

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Every single person that I have previously debated on the 'don't judge / cast first stone' line was guilty of approving of their own and or others sexual sins. The terrifying reality for you is that you will be 100% guilty of stumbling those in sexual sin. God hates the sexual sins of the LGBTQ++ community at the maximum level. It is mortal sin.

Now you may say well, all unrepentant sinners go to hell. Like many Christians here will say too. But I beg you to use the grey matter between your ears and grasp the obvious. If someone continues in mortal sin, you are closer to a hard heart / being sold out to a love what is evil / point of no return over any venial sinner. You are guilty of pushing sinners down a steep slope, straight into hell.

You need to read and meditate on Matt 18:6 If anyone causes one of these little ones those who believe in me to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.

 

[MedicBravo]

Rightly gained is open for discussion . Not too much discussion though as there is a very real space where light needs to remove darkness. In many wars with pagans it was a case of either 'we do it' or wait on God to 'do it' with plagues, floods, fire and brimstone.

Reality is that all religions vie for national control. It is so good to know there are 'Christian' nations. Either Catholic or Protestant. Both are fine. If there were not, it would just be a matter of time before Muslims would want full control, or Hindus or atheists. The smaller religions would also want full control if they had the numbers.

No, it isn't.
Christians settled the land and by rights is theirs. Muslims invaded, killed and drove most of the Christians out, so the Crusades were justified and any things done to them by Christians IS just and right.
Your or any else's opinion otherwise is irrelevant.

If Christians had invaded Muslim lands would not the same be said of them if they had gone to war to gain what was rightfully theirs? Yes.
Islam by default and definition is an evil death cult.