Thanks for the self disclosure. Is this a reference to Jonathan and David? Agreed. Strangely enough, I have found it easier to get along better with males all of my life, but its hard to find righteous ones in this day and age. Likewise, I appreciate your low-key admonition to examine myself when it comes to my own motives. Agreed, Which is why, at this point, I would like to have a friend who is working towards the Kingdom with me, rather than a man who "tickles the fancy" of my flesh, as so to speak. not saying that I will marry, But if I do, I would rather treat it as a "kingdom business" transaction rather than "an affair of the heart." Agreed. I believed that because I lost my virginity in high school than I was completely ruined and that God would never let me marry anyone but the guy i gave myself to (and he is a desperate un believer; also, not the same person that goes to my church). He is what people would consider a "dream guy" on paper, would do anything for me, Except believe Jesus. (which, If he only did that, he would be able to do everything else right.) He can't understand my desire for God, and his desire is to turn me away from The way of Righteousness (the terrible websites he tried to show me were lawl). He doesn't get that saying "lets talk about other things other than 'that'" as an attempt to keep me "happy" means that the thing that is most important to me, I can't discuss why I smile at random because God (thinking about God makes me happy, but I cut him out before I could explain the joy that I have to him in fullness) Either way, if that is the case (if you mean that leaving the bed undefiled means that you go to it as a virgin), The bed is already defiled... :/ Amen Again again. When you think about it, the closest thing that satan could provide anyone to the joy of being filled with the Spirit, is the fleshly pleasure of sex. Something that God designed, but corrupted by perverting it as well as putting it out of context. Yeah attraction is dangerous if it is for the wrong reasons. Idk. I thought that Consummation was the covenant, Especially since the law was not yet available to man. Spiritually, he is our husband (if we are born again). He deceives men too. He is not as wise as God, but he's not stupid. Like I said before, using things that God made and corrupting them. Amen, life is easier this way. K >>>>> Roughly 25 minutes later<<<<< YAY! thx. This is why the marrieds need Jesus lol. If you dont have contentment in Christ, it can mess everything else up, I learned this the hard way. when talkeing to the church member I was trying to keep things together, and I had stopped a lot of communication with God in the process. and now, from what I understand, the man currently cannot stand me. A former coworker told me that there was a story about a woman who killed her husband because he couldn't "stay" (is that the word for it? idk) long enough for her to orgasm and she got tired of it. Again, even in marriage Godly contentment is necessary. Otherwise, it could end terribly.