Can God do evil?

[Twistie]

May Jesus fill us with his love and wisdom.

I hope that you aren't believing that God has good and evil in him. It would be contrary to scripture.

God cannot be evil.

Evil comes from within, from the heart from the mind. It is something that takes place within us with the freedom to choose.
The angels have the freedom to choose, as we do. There are some angels who chose to say no to God. They chose not to do the will of God, and they chose to reject God.

What's even a little bit more crazy about all this, our Angels like the seraphim. Who cannot be away from the presence of God for any length of time. And yet they also chose to reject God.

Something that you might enjoy if you're into angels. The guardian angels are the only ones as a group that did not reject God. And Michael the Archangel is a guardian angel. He was the guardian of Lucifer

I know this because I asked him.

Anyways. God is not evil. God does not create evil. Evil only comes from the freedom of choice. You can choose to do good or you can choose to do evil. And you can do this on a daily basis. You can see that somebody needs help and you can help them, or you can choose to ignore them. You may think that it's not a evil act By ignoring somebody, but it becomes an evil act depending on what the circumstances are.

If you have full knowledge of what is about to take place and choose to ignore it, knowing full well that someone is going to get hurt. Then you have committed a crime. You have committed an evil act By ignoring the movement of the Holy Spirit.

If you do or don't do something for the benefit of another person. If you don't defend somebody while a joke is being made. If you do join in with the joke against a race of people. These offenses are against the second commandment of the greatest Commandments. Love your neighbor as yourself.

Evil is based on choices. We make these choices every day. You can choose to accept this or reject it but that is up to you. I shared with you what I know I hope you hear me.

This then is the message which we have heard from Him and declare unto you: that God is light, and in Him is no darkness at all.

But should we, or an angel from Heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached to you, let him be accursed.

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[Bill]

This then is the message which we have heard from Him and declare unto you: that God is light, and in Him is no darkness at all.

But should we, or an angel from Heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached to you, let him be accursed.

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May Jesus fill us with his love

Thank you my angel

 

[joestue]

if you had a friend that was truly mentally handicapped and incapable of making a decision to sincerely repent or not of their sins, God will indeed give them a second chance

Back to the no true scotsman argument again

 

[KingJ]

Back to the no true scotsman argument again

It is not a No True Scotsman fallacy. No definition is being changed.

The question is simple: does God hold someone accountable for a decision they were genuinely incapable of making?

If your answer is yes, explain why.

If your answer is no, then we are simply discussing where that line is.

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Just like many others here, you consistently make assertions that implicate God's justice without carefully considering their implications. You leave your position open-ended and unsupported by Scripture, yet seem unconcerned with the picture of God that readers are left with.

A God who eternally punishes someone for a decision they were genuinely incapable of making is not the God revealed in Scripture.

 

[KingJ]

Anyways. God is not evil. God does not create evil. Evil only comes from the freedom of choice. You can choose to do good or you can choose to do evil. And you can do this on a daily basis. You can see that somebody needs help and you can help them, or you can choose to ignore them. You may think that it's not a evil act By ignoring somebody, but it becomes an evil act depending on what the circumstances are.

If you have full knowledge of what is about to take place and choose to ignore it, knowing full well that someone is going to get hurt. Then you have committed a crime. You have committed an evil act By ignoring the movement of the Holy Spirit.

If you do or don't do something for the benefit of another person. If you don't defend somebody while a joke is being made. If you do join in with the joke against a race of people. These offenses are against the second commandment of the greatest Commandments. Love your neighbor as yourself.

Evil is based on choices. We make these choices every day. You can choose to accept this or reject it but that is up to you. I shared with you what I know I hope you hear me.

Thanks for this Bill, well said.

 

[MedicBravo]

There are a lot of variables which are beyond human comprehension.
Do NOT think as some mortal you can understand God's playbook anywhere near his level.
He treats murdered babies and children differently than the rest of us.
No one can accept God for someone else.

God ALLOWS evil. People who are mentally/physically incapable however they are, are part of this fallen world.
His inaction does not equate to evil.

 

[Bill]

There are a lot of variables which are beyond human comprehension.
Do NOT think as some mortal you can understand God's playbook anywhere near his level.
He treats murdered babies and children differently than the rest of us.
No one can accept God for someone else.

God ALLOWS evil. People who are mentally/physically incapable however they are, are part of this fallen world.
His inaction does not equate to evil.

May Jesus fill us with his love and wisdom

You're right that God allows people to do their own free will. But God does not create evil

 

[KingJ]

There are a lot of variables which are beyond human comprehension.
Do NOT think as some mortal you can understand God's playbook anywhere near his level.
He treats murdered babies and children differently than the rest of us.
No one can accept God for someone else.

God ALLOWS evil. People who are mentally/physically incapable however they are, are part of this fallen world.
His inaction does not equate to evil.

No Medic. On one hand you are correct. We cannot fully comprehend Him. But Him sending a mental patient who cannot properly choose between good and evil, off to eternal torment, is evil. And will always be evil. God is not evil.

You are a good Christian, don't misrepresent God. Good is good and evil is evil. God does not do evil. We can grasp what is evil Gen 3:22, Heb 2:7.

Many many Christians, cannot explain why God allows many evils to take place. They take the lazy approach and say ''God is beyond us, or God is good and evil as He created evil''. This is us failing at our 'one' job.

 

[KingJ]

May Jesus fill us with his love and wisdom

You're right that God allows people to do their own free will. But God does not create evil

Your thinking is correct, we are in agreement. But your wording is wrong.

God does create evil. He does not 'do' evil. It is not evil to create evil when you have created a highly intelligent being in your image.

If God is good, which he is, humans and angels need free will and free will needs evil.

 

[Bill]

Your thinking is correct, we are in agreement. But your wording is wrong.

God does create evil. He does not 'do' evil. It is not evil to create evil when you have created a highly intelligent being in your image.

May Jesus fill us with his love and wisdom

It is impossible for God to create evil.

In the scripture there are two things that prove that already. It states that God is love. The scripture also states that where love is Evil cannot be.

So Within These two statements we know that God cannot create evil. Because creation comes from within not from outside.

As an example. The idea to make something, the idea to have a hypothesis or a conclusion comes from inside the mind. And then we either write it out or we make or build what the idea is.

The same thing is true with God, it comes from inside of God to be created. What comes from God's heart is love not evil

 

[MedicBravo]

No Medic. On one hand you are correct. We cannot fully comprehend Him. But Him sending a mental patient who cannot properly choose between good and evil, off to eternal torment, is evil. And will always be evil. God is not evil.

You are a good Christian, don't misrepresent God. Good is good and evil is evil. God does not do evil. We can grasp what is evil Gen 3:22, Heb 2:7.

Many many Christians, cannot explain why God allows many evils to take place. They take the lazy approach and say ''God is beyond us, or God is good and evil as He created evil''. This is us failing at our 'one' job.

God is NOT evil by his Nature.
There is a "problem" of evil BUT God will not be evil by His nature.
It is OUR human, flawed understanding of good AND evil b/c we do NOT know it truly.

It's NOT lazy.
You don't know any more than what's revealed and in-context any more than the rest of us.

Explain why there are "natural disasters" even when no one is killed?
In your second paragraph "God does not do evil" = He is not evil.
I'd rather pursue my time in better understanding and spreading God to the world than wondering "Is God evil?"

 

[KingJ]

It is OUR human, flawed understanding of good AND evil b/c we do NOT know it truly.

I don't agree. Scripture does not say we have a flawed view of what evil is.

Scripture is rather clear that we have all been gifted the knowledge of good and evil Gen 3:22. In addition, it mentions that as Christians we will judge angels 1 Cor 6:3 and can discern all matters 1 Cor 2:15

It's NOT lazy.
You don't know any more than what's revealed and in-context any more than the rest of us.

It is lazy exegesis of scripture.

Explain why there are "natural disasters" even when no one is killed?

That's a silly point. It is what it is, God creates things that do things.

With regards to evil and to better make your argument, you must ask why natural disasters kill innocent babies.

And to answer that we just need to consider the fact that before Adam's sin, either of the two were true:

A. No natural disaster
B. Natural disaster that never hurts anyone

In your second paragraph "God does not do evil" = He is not evil.
I'd rather pursue my time in better understanding and spreading God to the world than wondering "Is God evil?"

Well, imagine pursuing ''spreading word of an evil God to the world''. It would be better to stay silent and lock yourself in your house.

Our 'one' job is to properly represent God to the lost, encourage them to repent of their sins and be reconciled with Him 2 Cor 5:20. That is NOT going to happen if you present God as confused and semi evil, like a demigod from Greek mythology.

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Far too many Christians preach ''God is holy'' therefore if He does what is clearly evil, it is not evil. Utter madness and an epic failure of our 'one job'. God is holy because He is righteous in all His ways to the exclusion of none Psalm 145:17.

 

[Twistie]

I don't agree. Scripture does not say we have a flawed view of what evil is.

Scripture is rather clear that we have all been gifted the knowledge of good and evil Gen 3:22. In addition, it mentions that as Christians we will judge angels 1 Cor 6:3 and can discern all matters 1 Cor 2:15



It is lazy exegesis of scripture.



That's a silly point. It is what it is, God creates things that do things.

With regards to evil and to better make your argument, you must ask why natural disasters kill innocent babies.

And to answer that we just need to consider the fact that before Adam's sin, either of the two were true:

A. No natural disaster
B. Natural disaster that never hurts anyone



Well, imagine pursuing ''spreading word of an evil God to the world''. It would be better to stay silent and lock yourself in your house.

Our 'one' job is to properly represent God to the lost, encourage them to repent of their sins and be reconciled with Him 2 Cor 5:20. That is NOT going to happen if you present God as confused and semi evil, like a demigod from Greek mythology.

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Far too many Christians preach ''God is righteous'' therefore if He does what is clearly evil, it is not evil. Utter madness and an epic failure of our 'one job'.

Most Christians sold out..they either pay to worship Him pay for another to read out of the bible for them..and most want payment for what He gives for free..
Thats because they themselves were not sent were not taught by the Spirit of the Lord..that false preachers curse got many under him..there are more followers of the false one then there is of the Lord .
Its all written

Our main job is to allow Him to teach us How to worship Him in Truth and Spirit.
If one cant even worship Him properly how does one even think they can "teach" the Word n if one truly has a relationship with the Lord why they still calling themselves a derogatory name..
Like i said many are under a curse n only one can break it

Shoot they got people think cause they throw change at a man that means they housed the homeless that they fed another when in actually they did nothing but support man that only feeds himself

Very insane

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[KingJ]

May Jesus fill us with his love and wisdom

It is impossible for God to create evil.

In the scripture there are two things that prove that already. It states that God is love. The scripture also states that where love is Evil cannot be.

So Within These two statements we know that God cannot create evil. Because creation comes from within not from outside.

Scripture is clear that God created good and evil. Isa 45:7 I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the Lord, do all these things.

God has created everything. If there was no God, would there be evil? Of course not. Therefore God created it. Not only did He create the possibility for us to do what is evil, He has also given us time and space to do it.

As an example. The idea to make something, the idea to have a hypothesis or a conclusion comes from inside the mind. And then we either write it out or we make or build what the idea is.

The same thing is true with God, it comes from inside of God to be created. What comes from God's heart is love not evil

It doesn't matter whether it came from His mind, heart or hands. It came from Him.

Evil is a gift from Him to us. The fruit / apple was a classic choice by God. The symbolism in 'eating, tasting and digesting' evil.

 

[Twistie]

The word translated as "evil" in the KJV is the Hebrew word ra'. In biblical context, it frequently translates to "calamity," "disaster," "affliction," or "hardship" rather than moral wickedness

Im for sure Abba didn't think oh imma create this one to rape n murder babies..
Yet man will look at affliction like it is evil looks at a hurricane n the deaths out of as evil they may see a baby born with a bunch of malformation as evil coming from YH..

I believe much confusion comes from words n verses when one is not being Led by The Holy One

Hope alls well

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[Bill]

May Jesus fill us with his wisdom and more wisdom and understanding of scripture

In the Old Testament there is a huge difference between darkness and Evil. When it says in creation that God created the darkness, it's not meaning that God created evil.

What God created in mankind was free will, and he created that in all his creation. If you desire to make judgment on God that is your doing. But I know God, and I can tell you there is no evil in him. And he does not create evil.

To say that God creates evil is making a judgment against God, and I think you're foolish and even suggesting it. What you should be saying is that God creates free will. Free will be in the right to choose whether to follow God or not follow God, the right to choose whether we want to accept Jesus's our Lord or not. It isn't evil to not accept Jesus as Lord, but it becomes evil when it consumes you.

People do not accept Jesus as Lord for a number of different reasons what they are can be a multitude of different reasons. But it in itself that decision in itself is not evil. Things become evil by the way that we choose to become or the way we choose to judge others. If we choose to judge another person in a very bad way that in itself can become an evil. If we not only judge other people in a bad light but then continue with gossip about those other people in a bad way then we ourselves are becoming evil by doing this.

An example would be any person who judges another because of whatever religion they belong to. Doesn't matter if the person is Hindu doesn't matter if the person is Buddhist it doesn't matter if the person is Muslim it doesn't matter if the person is Catholic, it doesn't matter if the person is a reformed Episcopalian it doesn't matter if the person is a Pentecostal it doesn't matter if the person is a Jehovah Witness it doesn't matter. What matters is how you take it on further than becoming just opposing those things. What matters is if you can accept those people in your heart with love. Or are you going to multiply those negative thoughts into jokes into absolute hatred absolute negative and the list goes on to where every time you even think about people who are not like yourself it's such a vile thought that goes through your mind this is where the evil comes from.