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Can God do evil?

Can God do something evil?

  • Yes

    Votes: 1 12.5%
  • No

    Votes: 6 75.0%
  • Don't know

    Votes: 1 12.5%

  • Total voters
    8
I want to make the argument that God cannot do what is evil.

Scriptures like these:
  • Psalm 145:17 — “The Lord is righteous in all His ways.”
  • Psalm 136:1 — “God is good and His mercy endures forever.”
  • 1 John 1:5 — “God is light; in Him is no darkness at all.”
  • Job 34:12 — “Unthinkable that He be unjust, surely God will not do wickedly.”
are didactic texts about God’s character that serve as interpretive controls across all topics. God’s revealed character functions as a limiting factor, not in the sense of an external constraint, but as an expression of metaphysical impossibility: His nature (good, righteous, light) is ontologically fixed. Therefore, any interpretation that portrays Him as morally evil is invalid.
May Jesus feel us with his love and wisdom
It would be impossible for God to do evil.
It states in the scripture that God is love. It also States that were Love is Evil cannot be.

This is why the proponents of predestination are invalid. Free Will would be the only conclusion
 
This passage is simple. You guys have been misled to believe that upon death a true believer goes straight to heaven. We go to paradise and await the resurrection. Many of these souls beneath the Alter have been waiting a long time. They want to go home and be with the Lord. However, paradise is still filling with more believers and the consummation hasn't arrived. They are told to wait just a little longer.

Fairly simple in my view.
 
May Jesus feel us with his love and wisdom
It would be impossible for God to do evil.
It states in the scripture that God is love. It also States that were Love is Evil cannot be.

This is why the proponents of predestination are invalid. Free Will would be the only conclusion

We are in 100% agreement. For God, going against His nature is a metaphysical impossibilty.

His nature is described clearly in Psalm 145:17 Righteous in all His ways, 1 John 1:5 Light with no darkness at all, Acts 10:34 Truly impartial.

I like how the prophets made certain to include the ''at all''.
 
also something you've made up completely. it feels good but that's about it.

When someone posts scripture it is not made up. You are dodging a very logical and simple post. This is just evidence that you are on a discussion forum to not discuss.

also, your spamming hundreds of replies to people every two days strikes me as extremely disingenuous. .

Spamming? If a post deals directly with the questions asked, or makes a sound point or forms an argument, it is not spamming. That should be obvious

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You need to be intellectually honest and simply say, “KingJ, I cannot fault what you have said. I just don’t like it, so I am going to resort to ad hominem.”
 
Do we look at these passages, and judge them by human standards?

Old Testament


The Flood

  • Genesis 6–8 — nearly all humanity destroyed, including women, children, animals

Sodom & Gomorrah

  • Genesis 19 — entire cities destroyed by fire

The 10 Plagues (especially the firstborn)

  • Exodus 7–12 — Egyptian firstborn killed, including children and livestock

Commanded genocide of Canaanites

  • Deuteronomy 7:1-2, 20:16-17 — total annihilation commanded

Uzzah struck dead for touching the Ark

  • 2 Samuel 6:6-7 — killed for what appears to be an instinctive act

Bears mauling children

  • 2 Kings 2:23-24 — children mocked Elisha; two bears killed 42 of them

David's census punishment

  • 2 Samuel 24:15 — 70,000 Israelites die for David's sin

Jephthah's daughter

  • Judges 11:30-40 — vow resulting in his daughter's death (debated but troubling)

Job's suffering

  • Job 1–2 — God permits Satan to destroy a righteous man's family and health


New Testament


Ananias & Sapphira

  • Acts 5:1-11 — struck dead for lying about money

Hell / Eternal torment

  • Matthew 25:46, Revelation 20:10-15, Luke 16:19-31

God hardens Pharaoh's heart — then punishes him for it

  • Romans 9:17-18, Exodus 9:12

Predestination / vessels of wrath

  • Romans 9:21-22

The Great Tribulation

  • Revelation 6–19 — massive death, suffering, judgments on earth
I agree with your analysis. Thank you for taking the time to state your views. I see things in simpler terms though. For God to be God, He cannot go against His character. God is without sin. If God were to commit evil, He would be guilty of sin. This would be God denying His true character. Thus, God would cease to be God, at least the God we believe in. Now this is where your analysis takes over to prove that although evil exists, It is not God who initiates any evil act. Allowing evil to happen through the freewill of man is not the same as initiating it. Many today want to place the blame of their evil acts upon God. This thinking has infiltrated the church at an alarming rate in hopes to avoid accountability for their own actions. Everyone will find out in due time that is not how God's plan works.
 
Logic, even done correctly, will not even allow you to understand quantum physics (a part of God's creation) let alone God's attributes.

The bible states throughout that God is good including PS 34:8 O taste and see that the LORD is good: blessed is the man that trusteth in him. Trust him like a child trusts a father. If any of His attributes appear like a contradiction/conflict to us we are wrong. He is good and we must trust Him.

I'm done with this thread unless something of value is stated.
 
Many of these souls beneath the Alter have been waiting a long time.
If there are any there yet.
When someone posts scripture it is not made up. You are dodging a very logical and simple post. This is just evidence that you are on a discussion forum to not discuss.
or you could defend your arbitrary points with scripture.
when there is none:
to distinguish the handicapped vs the healthy, or the 20yr old vs the middle aged.
 
Children will not reign with Jesus. They will grow up and live a typical human life and only once they pass a test with satan at the end, will they qualify to also reign with Jesus.
why not?

what defines a child?

i was a child at age 7 when i could have told my apostate grandparents their was a generational curse on their house. instead i waited till age 24 to email my grandmother, who has never spoken to me since then!

and people be like "youre nuts"
or:
"this must be a special gift"
or:
"you must have some great calling.

and i'm like maybe people should just act on what they knew already a decade ago and the world would have a tenth as many problems.
 
I agree with your analysis. Thank you for taking the time to state your views. I see things in simpler terms though. For God to be God, He cannot go against His character. God is without sin. If God were to commit evil, He would be guilty of sin. This would be God denying His true character. Thus, God would cease to be God, at least the God we believe in. Now this is where your analysis takes over to prove that although evil exists, It is not God who initiates any evil act. Allowing evil to happen through the freewill of man is not the same as initiating it. Many today want to place the blame of their evil acts upon God. This thinking has infiltrated the church at an alarming rate in hopes to avoid accountability for their own actions. Everyone will find out in due time that is not how God's plan works.

I agree with you. @B-A-C however, to me seems to be pushing a theory that God is part evil and 'that is just the way it is', we must simply accept it and move on.
 
Isa 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Creating evil and the potential for it to exist is not the same as doing / being evil.

God had to create evil to allow for true free will. Free will to a highly intelligent creation like us and angels is a good thing. Therefore God creating evil in the manner He has is a good thing.
 
Logic, even done correctly, will not even allow you to understand quantum physics (a part of God's creation) let alone God's attributes.

We have been blessed with the ability to grasp what is good and evil per Gen 3:22 and Heb 2:7.

I agree on God's existence and many things in His creation being beyond comprehension. But that is a completely separate topic.

The bible states throughout that God is good including PS 34:8 O taste and see that the LORD is good: blessed is the man that trusteth in him. Trust him like a child trusts a father. If any of His attributes appear like a contradiction/conflict to us we are wrong. He is good and we must trust Him.

I agree with this. Christians are in the fortunate position of knowing God better than the lost and unsaved. You, like Abraham can trust that God is always going to be good and righteous in all He does.

The unsaved do not. The default position for an unsaved person is to think of God as both good and evil as both clearly exist. It is a Christians job to teach and help the unsaved grasp like you do, that God is only good and not evil.

Many Christians, as you can see from this thread, are more concerned with personal beliefs and theories over serving and properly representing God to the lost.
 
Can God Do Evil?

Genesis 3:22 tells us that after the Fall, man now knows good and evil. But here's the question nobody wants to sit with: can we be trusted with that knowledge?

The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately sick — who can know it? (Jeremiah 17:9). Every way of a man is right in his own eyes, but the LORD weighs the heart (Proverbs 21:2). We are not neutral evaluators. We are systematically biased toward self-justification, toward comfortable conclusions, toward a God who agrees with us.

Paul warned that a time would come when people would not endure sound doctrine, but would accumulate teachers to suit their own passions (2 Timothy 4:3). Isaiah recorded the same tendency centuries earlier — people telling the prophets "speak smooth things, prophesy illusions" (Isaiah 30:10). This isn't just a warning about obviously false religion. It describes the subtle drift that happens when we start with a conclusion about what God should be like, and work backwards to build a theology that supports it.

So when the question is "can God do evil?" — we need to ask a prior question first: who defines evil?

God told Moses plainly: I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion (Romans 9:15). He raised Pharaoh up for the explicit purpose of demonstrating His power and proclaiming His name throughout the earth (v.17). He hardens whom He desires (v.18). And when Paul anticipates the obvious human objection — "then why does He still find fault?" — his answer is not a careful philosophical defense. It's a rebuke of the question itself:

Who are you, O man, who answers back to God? The thing molded will not say to the molder, "why did you make me like this," will it? (Romans 9:20)

Isaiah says the same thing, with even more force: Woe to him who strives with his Maker (Isaiah 45:9). Not a gentle correction. A woe.

The flood. Job's children. Uzzah at the ark. The bears and the mockers. These are the passages people bring up when they want to put God on trial. And they bring them up using a moral framework that — by their own admission if they believe Genesis 3 — is now filtered through a fallen nature, a deceitful heart, and a strong bias toward conclusions that are comfortable.

God's response to Job wasn't a defense of His actions. It was forty chapters of "where were you?" (Job 38:4). The frame of reference required to judge God's actions is one none of us possess. We have a lifespan of decades on one planet. He is eternal, omniscient, and defines holiness by His own nature — be holy, for I am holy (1 Peter 1:16). Holiness isn't a standard He meets. It's what He is.

Here is perhaps the sharpest test case: the cross. To outside observers, the crucifixion looked like the execution of an innocent man — cruel, unjust, evil by any human standard. And yet Romans 3:25-26 tells us it was precisely there that God demonstrated His righteousness most fully — judging sin completely, justly, finally. The most perfectly just and loving act in all of history looked like a Roman execution.

If our moral intuitions can be that catastrophically wrong about the cross itself — the central event of all Scripture — how much should we humble ourselves when evaluating the flood, or Job, or anything else we find difficult?

The question "can God do evil?" assumes the questioner has a reliable, unbiased, sufficiently informed standard by which to measure the answer. But Proverbs 14:12 reminds us: there is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is the way of death.

Man, with a deceitful heart, a bias toward self-justification, an appetite for smooth theology, and a frame of reference limited to a brief life on one small planet — has appointed himself judge of the eternal, omniscient, holy God. And he does so using moral categories God gave him, now filtered through a fallen nature.

The question is not whether God's actions meet our standard.

The question is whether we are remotely qualified to set that standard in the first place.
 
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