Can anything good come from sin?
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1Co 10:5 But God was not pleased with most of them. Their bodies were scattered all over the desert.
1Co 10:6 Now those things happened as examples for us. They are supposed to keep us from longing for evil things, as the people of Israel did.
1Co 10:7 So don't worship statues of gods, as some of them did. It is written, "The people sat down to eat and drink. Then they got up to dance wildly in front of their god." (Exodus 32:6)
1Co 10:8 We should not commit sexual sins, as some of them did. In one day 23,000 of them died.
1Co 10:9 We should not put the Lord to the test, as some of them did. They were killed by snakes.
1Co 10:10 Don't tell your leaders how unhappy you are with them. That's what some of the people of Israel did. And they were killed by the destroying angel.
1Co 10:11 Those things happened to them as examples for us. They were written down to warn us who are living at the time when God's work is being completed. (NiRV)
1Co 10:6 Now those things happened as examples for us. They are supposed to keep us from longing for evil things, as the people of Israel did.
1Co 10:7 So don't worship statues of gods, as some of them did. It is written, "The people sat down to eat and drink. Then they got up to dance wildly in front of their god." (Exodus 32:6)
1Co 10:8 We should not commit sexual sins, as some of them did. In one day 23,000 of them died.
1Co 10:9 We should not put the Lord to the test, as some of them did. They were killed by snakes.
1Co 10:10 Don't tell your leaders how unhappy you are with them. That's what some of the people of Israel did. And they were killed by the destroying angel.
1Co 10:11 Those things happened to them as examples for us. They were written down to warn us who are living at the time when God's work is being completed. (NiRV)
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"All things work for Good for Those Who Love the Lord who are called according to His Purpose."
Romans 8:28
Sin is NOT good, make no mistakes. But we serve a God that CAN create beauty from ashes.
God can make a sinner into a righteous man, God can make the dead alive.
God can take a bad situation and make good out of it.
This is not to say that bad isn't bad, but at the risk of oversimplifying,
you are cooking with your daughter and you are baking regular cookies and you tell her
to not open the cabinent door. She disobeys and opens the cabinet door and the chocolate
chip bag calls out and chocolate chip falls into the cookie mix, seemingly messing up your plans
due to her disobedience. The parent can take that act of disobedience and make chocolate chip cookies.
This is not to say she won't be punished for her disobedience, but you made something good COME OUT
of the bad situation.
YES Sin is bad and YES something GOOD can come out of Sin because we serve a God who is able to
do far more than you can even think or imagine.
Romans 8:28
Sin is NOT good, make no mistakes. But we serve a God that CAN create beauty from ashes.
God can make a sinner into a righteous man, God can make the dead alive.
God can take a bad situation and make good out of it.
This is not to say that bad isn't bad, but at the risk of oversimplifying,
you are cooking with your daughter and you are baking regular cookies and you tell her
to not open the cabinent door. She disobeys and opens the cabinet door and the chocolate
chip bag calls out and chocolate chip falls into the cookie mix, seemingly messing up your plans
due to her disobedience. The parent can take that act of disobedience and make chocolate chip cookies.
This is not to say she won't be punished for her disobedience, but you made something good COME OUT
of the bad situation.
YES Sin is bad and YES something GOOD can come out of Sin because we serve a God who is able to
do far more than you can even think or imagine.
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Sin is never good, but where sin abounds, grace does much more abound. Grace and mercy are good, so is the forgiveness of sins.
Is it better to have never known sin than to wonder what it's like to have sin?
I wonder if Adam and Eve learned a big lesson from their sin.
Can God use sin to teach people?
Psa 119:67 Before I was afflicted I went astray: but now have I kept thy word.
Psa 119:68 Thou art good, and doest good; teach me thy statutes.
Psa 119:69 The proud have forged a lie against me: but I will keep thy precepts with my whole heart.
Psa 119:70 Their heart is as fat as grease; but I delight in thy law.
Psa 119:71 It is good for me that I have been afflicted; that I might learn thy statutes.
Is it better to have never known sin than to wonder what it's like to have sin?
I wonder if Adam and Eve learned a big lesson from their sin.
Can God use sin to teach people?
Psa 119:67 Before I was afflicted I went astray: but now have I kept thy word.
Psa 119:68 Thou art good, and doest good; teach me thy statutes.
Psa 119:69 The proud have forged a lie against me: but I will keep thy precepts with my whole heart.
Psa 119:70 Their heart is as fat as grease; but I delight in thy law.
Psa 119:71 It is good for me that I have been afflicted; that I might learn thy statutes.
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Amen brother. Thanks for sharing.
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This is a delicate topic and we need to nit pick statements. For me, the existence of sin is a good thing and points to true free will.
1. God created evil Isa 45:7
2. All God creates is good Psalm 145:17
3. God hates evil Psalm 5:5.
4. God gives us the knowledge of good and evil Gen 3:22
5. We are all sinners Rom 3:23.
There is a goodness to sin. To knowing it. Clearly not the actual sin, but rather the ability to perform it. It points to true free will. Which is a good thing. God will not be a good God if He does not give His highly intelligent creations, angels and humans, true free will.
Evidence for true free will is clear when you consider a Creator who hates what is evil, allows it to take place.
Therefore if any say there is no free will, they should also then believe either that there is no such thing as sin or that God is both good and evil. Which He is not 1 John 1:5 God is light with no darkness in Him at all.
1. God created evil Isa 45:7
2. All God creates is good Psalm 145:17
3. God hates evil Psalm 5:5.
4. God gives us the knowledge of good and evil Gen 3:22
5. We are all sinners Rom 3:23.
There is a goodness to sin. To knowing it. Clearly not the actual sin, but rather the ability to perform it. It points to true free will. Which is a good thing. God will not be a good God if He does not give His highly intelligent creations, angels and humans, true free will.
Evidence for true free will is clear when you consider a Creator who hates what is evil, allows it to take place.
Therefore if any say there is no free will, they should also then believe either that there is no such thing as sin or that God is both good and evil. Which He is not 1 John 1:5 God is light with no darkness in Him at all.
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Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
Could this mean that the former things will never come to mind or that the former consequences (guilt, fear, shame, condemnation) of sin will never come to mind or remembered?
Could this mean that the former things will never come to mind or that the former consequences (guilt, fear, shame, condemnation) of sin will never come to mind or remembered?
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Good question sister.
This is a subject Sister, that can be extrapolated to cover the entirety of Scripture. From Genesis to Revelation the story unfolds. We see sin, redemption, and God's mercy and grace operating. Of which posters here have touched on.
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So, my answer is both yes and no.
And with that being said, a couple of more scripture verses to go along with the others also shared, of which is only the tip of the iceberg.
'As many as I love, I do convict and chasten; be zealous, then, and reform; Revelation 3:19 YLT
I as many as love I rebuke and I chasten; be hot therefore and repent thou. Revelation 3:19 (The Interlinear Greek-English New Testament)
With the Love of Christ Jesus.
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Repentence is good and it often comes from sin. They who "feel" they are without sin, love to throw stones.
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Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
Rev 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
Those who were mistreated and killed for the witness of Jesus Christ remembered the evil that had been done unto them. They cried out to God to avenge their blood unto those who dwell on the earth.
Those in Heaven today are not ignorant of what is happening or has happened on the earth.
Moses and Elijah knew what Jesus mission was as they spoke to him about it on the mount of transfiguration.
Rev 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
Those who were mistreated and killed for the witness of Jesus Christ remembered the evil that had been done unto them. They cried out to God to avenge their blood unto those who dwell on the earth.
Those in Heaven today are not ignorant of what is happening or has happened on the earth.
Moses and Elijah knew what Jesus mission was as they spoke to him about it on the mount of transfiguration.
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But as for you, ye thought evil against me; but God meant it unto good, to bring to pass, as it is this day, to save much people alive.
- Genesis 50:20 KJVYe took counsel against me for evil, but God took counsel for me for good, that the matter might be as it is to-day, and much people might be fed.
- Genesis 50:20 Brenton
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Yes and I believe scripture is crystal clear on this.
Rev 6:10 They called out in a loud voice, “How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?”
Yes, for sure. A Christian, especially when we in heaven, will be able to look at all sin that took place almost with the same mind as God. A lot like our guardian angels look at all sin taking place. They see, as we should also see, a massive difference between a repentant and an unrepentant sinner.
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God does not wipe our memories clean. I don't know the right word to use, but He kind of ''sanctifies them''.
I don't read this scripture as literal. There are other scriptures that mention we keep our memories.
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I will probably sound odd and illiterate but this is what I believe:
We are not God. Our minds will not be able to remember the past in absolute detail as God can. A human mind chooses to forget problems that are dealt with. For example. If someone bullies you, you see them get justice, you forgive them, you will over time forget the incident. But if you do not see them get justice, you will not forget. We will see all the wicked get justice and we will know that all those who didn't get justice, truly repented and tried to undo their wrongs. We will most certainly be able to move on and leave the past in the past. We will remove memories from our minds. God, with the cross and hell, has made it possible for us to 'forgive and forget'. The new heavens and the new earth are eternal. Earth is 70 years.
One other matter to consider is the fact that, although all unrepentant humans are no longer around you, you will still have many 'annoying' humans and possibly even angels, around you. Only God is not annoying. Perfect. Humans and angels are not and never will be as God is. Therefore, we can expect those we disagree with and those that annoy us to still be present and somewhere nearby for all eternity. Our minds may be too busy focusing on current problems than needing to recall those of the 70 years on earth some 50 million years ago.
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No, according to Scripture, nothing good comes from sin. Sin is always destructive. It separates us from God (Isaiah 59:2), brings death (Romans 6:23), and corrupts everything it touches (James 1:14-15). The idea that something good can come from sin is a lie that has existed since the Garden of Eden, when the serpent told Eve that eating the forbidden fruit would open her eyes and make her wise (Genesis 3:4-5). That so-called “good” brought the curse of death upon all mankind (Romans 5:12).
Even if God in His sovereignty brings good despite sin, that does not mean the sin itself was good. For example, Joseph's brothers sinned when they sold him into slavery, but God used it for His purpose to save many lives (Genesis 50:20). That does not make their sin right or beneficial. Paul addressed this false thinking directly when he said, “And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just” (Romans 3:8). In other words, the idea that evil can be justified because of a good outcome is condemned in the Bible.
Sin is rebellion against God, and God is holy. Nothing unclean can dwell in His presence (Habakkuk 1:13). The only thing sin brings is death, judgment, sorrow, and separation unless a person repents and turns to Jesus Christ for forgiveness and cleansing (1 John 1:9). So no, nothing good ever comes from sin itself.
Even if God in His sovereignty brings good despite sin, that does not mean the sin itself was good. For example, Joseph's brothers sinned when they sold him into slavery, but God used it for His purpose to save many lives (Genesis 50:20). That does not make their sin right or beneficial. Paul addressed this false thinking directly when he said, “And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just” (Romans 3:8). In other words, the idea that evil can be justified because of a good outcome is condemned in the Bible.
Sin is rebellion against God, and God is holy. Nothing unclean can dwell in His presence (Habakkuk 1:13). The only thing sin brings is death, judgment, sorrow, and separation unless a person repents and turns to Jesus Christ for forgiveness and cleansing (1 John 1:9). So no, nothing good ever comes from sin itself.
