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1 John 3:15 (ESV)
Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him

Please choose your words wisely.
OH, thanks for that, take it completely out of context with out even knowing who I am and where I am coming from and pounce all over it. Your right we are called to love the sinner and hate the sin. Perhaps, it would have been better to say hate the idea of a false Christian, agreed. Let me ask you this, by scripture is everyone, even the Devil, my brother or another true "Born Again" Christian?
 
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OH, thanks for that, take it completely out of context with out even knowing who I am and where I am coming from and pounce all over it. Your right we are called to love the sinner and hate the sin. Perhaps, it would have been better to say hate the idea of a false Christian, agreed. Let me ask you this, by scripture is everyone, even the Devil, my brother or another true "Born Again" Christian?
I think it would have been more appropriate to ask me what I meant rather than judge me without furthe explanation. No offense but it appears to me you where out there hidding in the weeds with the lions and tigers ready to pounce!
 
[Quote"RJ, post: 248875, member: 18160"]For the most part, I am encourage that we finally agree on something. One caveat though: The works of faith and justification only come after salvation by grace.[/QUOTE]

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God.

I believe by the the grace of God, we are saved through our faith.
Hebrews11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Hebrews10:38-39. (38) Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
(39) But we are not of them who draw back unto prediction; but of them that (believe) to the saving of the soul.

So I believe we need to continue to believe to the saving of our soul.

. Romans 8:24-25 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
(25) But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.

So I try not to see myself as saved, but rather hope to be saved, and with patience wait for it.
Philippians 3:13-16
 
[Quote"RJ, post: 248875, member: 18160"]For the most part, I am encourage that we finally agree on something. One caveat though: The works of faith and justification only come after salvation by grace.

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God.

I believe by the the grace of God, we are saved through our faith.
Hebrews11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Hebrews10:38-39. (38) Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
(39) But we are not of them who draw back unto prediction; but of them that (believe) to the saving of the soul.

So I believe we need to continue to believe to the saving of our soul.

. Romans 8:24-25 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
(25) But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.

So I try not to see myself as saved, but rather hope to be saved, and with patience wait for it.
Philippians 3:13-16[/QUOTE]
There is some hope for us yet!
I will have to admit I am a bit different on one small point, I see myself as not worthy but saved nonetheless!
 
OH, thanks for that, take it completely out of context with out even knowing who I am and where I am coming from and pounce all over it. Your right we are called to love the sinner and hate the sin. Perhaps, it would have been better to say hate the idea of a false Christian, agreed. Let me ask you this, by scripture is everyone, even the Devil, my brother or another true "Born Again" Christian?
I think it would have been more appropriate to ask me what I meant rather than judge me without furthe explanation. No offense but it appears to me you where out there hidding in the weeds with the lions and tigers ready to pounce!

RJ, I'm surprised by your responses, I've re-read my small post and could not phantom, how you gathered such a strong emotional response. If it offended or insulted you that was not the intent.
This is a public forum, you are responsible for your words of choice. The slip of the tongue is easily unavoided when in face to face or phone conversation, but online there are 3 steps, think, write and proofread. This has nothing to do with knowing who you are personally, just kindly asking you to, "Please choose your words wisely."


It’s like this: a man is about to cross a street, and a stranger walks up and says, “ watch where you’re walking, you can fall or get hit, “ and the crossing man’s turns to the stranger and says, “ oh thanks you were there just waiting for me to make the wrong step. You do not know who i am? Can you interpret whats going on in my head, or how i was going to cross. What do you think is going through the strangers mind ? (rhetorical question)

Rest assured dear brother, no one’s hiding behind weeds (I’d prefer plush bushes ;)) ready to pounce, you reported a post on this thread and that’s what brought me here.

Be blessed my brother and at peace, there’s no sinister plot.
Feel free to pm me if you still seek understanding, there’s no need for our conversation to further distract from this thread.


 
RJ, I'm surprised by your responses, I've re-read my small post and could not phantom, how you gathered such a strong emotional response. If it offended or insulted you that was not the intent.
This is a public forum, you are responsible for your words of choice. The slip of the tongue is easily unavoided when in face to face or phone conversation, but online there are 3 steps, think, write and proofread. This has nothing to do with knowing who you are personally, just kindly asking you to, "Please choose your words wisely."


It’s like this: a man is about to cross a street, and a stranger walks up and says, “ watch where you’re walking, you can fall or get hit, “ and the crossing man’s turns to the stranger and says, “ oh thanks you were there just waiting for me to make the wrong step. You do not know who i am? Can you interpret whats going on in my head, or how i was going to cross. What do you think is going through the strangers mind ? (rhetorical question)

Rest assured dear brother, no one’s hiding behind weeds (I’d prefer plush bushes ;)) ready to pounce, you reported a post on this thread and that’s what brought me here.

Be blessed my brother and at peace, there’s no sinister plot.
Feel free to pm me if you still seek understanding, there’s no need for our conversation to further distract from this thread.
Thanks for originally bringing this to my attention and I am as equally surprised!
 
Grace means to get something that you do not deserve; unmerited favor. Mercy means you do not get a punishment that you deserve; compassion, forbearance. God is abundant in grace and mercy.

God never changes:
Malachi 3:6
For I am the Lord, I do not change.
Hebrews 13:8
Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

God's grace has always been:
Genesis 6:8
"But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord"
Psalm 45:2
"Grace is poured upon Your lips"
Psalm 23:6
Surely goodness and grace will pursue me all the days of my life, Surely goodness and grace will pursue me all the days of my life, and I will return to the house of the Lord forever".

And now, salvation is by grace alone and not by works unless we would boast and surely we would. Ephesians 2:8-9
I understand , that for some, this is hard to believe, after all : "WE have to do something"!
If God said it is by grace, the same grace that has always exhisted, and that this grace is a gift, there is nothing that we can do to merit such a gift.

I have heard some , so intent on doing something to please God, will say it is a combination of works and grace. Surely, anything required of us, any work prior and a prerequiste to salvation, then grace can not exist where any work occurs for it would no longer be by grace.


Heb 13:9
Do not be carried about with various and strange doctrines. For it is good that the heart be established by grace, not with foods which have not profited those who have been occupied with them. Foods in this verse can be literal or figurative. In this case it must be Spiritual because context is about doctrines not hot dogs.

Various and strange doctrines. Is what has happened to some of the bible. I believe that the enemy of God has caused certain phrases to creep into the church, so our mind jumps to a conclusion that is wrong to keep us from the truth.

Grace is called.... unmerited favor .... This then has to be explained as, God is good to us even though we don't deserve it.

We believe that, because we know that this is basically true. God is good to us even though we don't deserve it. So we accept it.

That's the problem. Because it is not true. Based on what the bible teaches, this simply cannot be the true meaning of grace.

I can show you why, by asking three questions.

1. If Grace is unmerited favor (that is to say, God is good to us even though we don't deserve it.) Then every body gets this grace right?

Then why does God only give it only to the humble? James 4:6, and 1 peter 5:5

If it is truly unmerited favor, wouldn't God give it to the proud more then the humble? Wouldn't they "not merit" it more then the humble?

2. If Grace is unmerited favor (God is good to us even though we don't deserve it.)
then why can you fall from it?

Gal. 5:4 says you are fallen from grace.- So, God is going to give me something I don't deserve and then take it away if I don't deserve it. I'd be better off backsliding so I could get more grace.

3. If Grace is unmerited favor (God is good to us even though we don't deserve it.)
Then why was Grace upon Jesus? Luke 2:40

And the Child grew and became strong in spirit, filled with wisdom; and the grace of God was upon Him.

Are you fully prepared to say that grace was upon Jesus even though He didn't deserve it?

See in these verses it doesn't fit. but in some it does. As in Eph 2:8
For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,

So it seems to fit in some, but wait until you see it as it really should be.

It doesn't just change. It almost explodes.

Before I do that, let me explain something;

(God is good to us even though we don't deserve it.)
This is true and we know it. The bible calls this Mercy!

1. Mercy is unmerited favor. And as such God gives it to the humble, and to the proud. His mercy is all over His works; He makes the rain to fall and the Sun to shine on the just and the unjust.

See mercy is given and applied to all of Gods works, Where grace is given only to the humble.

We are all under His mercy, but we are not all walking in His grace.

2. We have blended grace and mercy into one idea; and we explain it like this; "Mercy is God withholding from us what we do deserve, and Grace is God giving to us what we don't deserve".

3. That's clever but it is wrong. Mercy is all of that; and grace is something altogether different. So ... what is Grace?

We need to thank God every day for His mercy.

But now lets find out just what grace is.

What does the bible say?
The Greek word Chris (khar-ece) (5485) No matter how it is translated shows up in the New Testament some 156 times. 110 times in the writings of Paul.

Clearly the Apostle Paul dominates the subject. For good reason, he had a life changing encounter with grace after the Damascus experience

I mean he went from Rom 7:19-20
"For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice. Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me."

On down to verse;24
Where he says "O wretched man that I am!"

All the way to;Phil 4:13
"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me."
How did he get there?
He went through 2 Corinthians 12 where he explains the revelation that didn't just change his life, it changed his living.
2 Cor 12:9
And He said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness."
(When Paul finally got it, he replied)

"Therefore most gladly I will rather boast in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me."

Paul right there tells us what grace is. God said "My grace is sufficient" and Paul said, "that the power of Christ may rest on me." It's the "power of Christ".

So we know that when Paul used the word grace, he meant the power of Christ. So when he started a letter saying may grace and peace to you he meant the "power of Christ"

What a pity we settle for only the good that we can do. Instead of what Jesus Christ can do through us.

Mercy is unmerited favor - But, Grace is the empowering presence of God, enabling you to be who he created you to be, and to do what He has called you to do.

Jesus taught this - The early church believed this - Paul teaches it to us today, through his letters.

This definition,

The empowering presence of God enabling us to be what we were created to be and to do what we are called to do. That is the whole thorn in the flesh conversation.

Paul realizing that the presence of God was there with him enabling him to overcome that thing.

Was the thorn in the flesh taken away? It doesn't matter, because, it doesn't matter. Paul had grace.

This definition answers our questions.
See if grace is the (power of Christ) does it make sense that God would resist the proud and give the power of Christ to the humble? Yes of course, the prideful are on their own and want to be. The humble know they need help.

Does this explain, Falling from grace? (empowering presence of God) Yes, See, it is power for doing God's will. Not your own. When you do your own thing, you are on your own. (fallen from Grace)

Does this explain Jesus having Grace upon Him? (empowering presence of God) Yes, I should say so.

Here's the effect it had on Paul.
1 Cor 15:10
"But by the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace toward me was not in vain; but I labored more abundantly than they all, yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me."
Do you think he is talking about unmerited favor?

See the problem with thinking unmerited favor is grace, we read a verse like this and we go fake humble.

We say, "Oh by the grace of God I am what I am but not me just the grace of god in me, all praise to his name."

That is not the kind of thing that will get you fired up and your juices flowing. That is not the kind of thing that will carry the gospel to all four corners of the world.

a.(Empowers you to do what you are called to do)

and it is about all of us, it is about you.
2 Cor 9:8
And God is able to make all grace abound toward you, that you, always having all sufficiency in all things, may have an abundance for every good work.

Can you see that Paul means something more then this God is good to you though you don't deserve it.

God is good to you though you don't deserve it. That is mercy. But God empowers you to do what He has called you to do.

b.(Empowers you to be what you were created to be)

Acts 20:32
"So now, brethren, I commend you to God and to the word of His grace, which is able to build you up and give you an inheritance among all those who are sanctified.

You see, you are not built up until you have grace and you don't receive your inheritance, until you have grace.


The Bible says;
2 Cor 6:1
"We then, as workers together with Him also plead with you not to receive the grace of God in vain."

The word vain means having no intention of doing anything with it.

See unmerited favor will cause you to do just that.

Because when we pat you on the back and say that by grace you are saved and we think by unmerited favor we are saved. Nothing happens.

But when we understand that by the power of Christ you are saved then something must happen.

c.(What it gives us)
1 Cor 1:4-7

"I thank my God always concerning you for the grace of God which was given to you by Christ Jesus, that you were enriched in everything by Him in all utterance and all knowledge, even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you, so that you come short in no gift, eagerly waiting for the revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ,

d.(Use what you have been given)
1 Peter 4:9-10

As each one has received a gift, minister it to one another, as good stewards of the manifold grace of God.
Steward is one - entrusted with the goods of another to do his business his way.

Use your gifts as to the measure that God has given you.

"The measure of Grace"
Eph 4:7

But to each one of us grace was given according to the measure of Christ's gift.

See, it is power for doing God's will. Not your own. When you do your own thing, you are on your own. (fallen from Grace)
If you have fallen from grace, Doesn't mean you have lost your salvation. Just your mind.


What happens if we blow it?
The measure of Mercy!
Ps 145:8-9

8 The LORD is gracious and full of compassion,
Slow to anger and great in mercy.
9 The LORD is good to all,
And His tender mercies are over all His works.

The Grace of God is real, and it's powerful,
And this is what it does,
Titus 2:11-14
For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and Godly in the present age, looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from every lawless deed and purify for Himself His own special people, zealous for good works.

Come boldly to the throne of Grace!
Heb 4:16

Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need.

When you feel the least worthy is when you are the most welcomed!

There is absolutely no excuse for you to linger in a prolonged state of mediocrity.

As I was finishing up this message I asked God, "do I have your heart on grace, and he said "no Look closer." then I read for the zillionth time, "God resists the proud and give grace to the humble."

Not every body gets grace. And it is a salvation issue. That is why calling it, Unmerited favor is so dangerous.

If we are saved by unmerited favor then nothing has to happen and nothing has to change.

But if we are changed by the power of Christ then something must happen, things must change.

It says

James 4:5-7
Or do you think that the Scripture says in vain, “The Spirit who dwells in us yearns jealously"?

But He gives more grace. Therefore He says:

"God resists the proud,
But gives grace to the humble."

Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you.

1 Peter 5:5-7

Submit to God, Resist the Devil

Likewise you younger people, submit yourselves to your Elders. Yes, all of you be submissive to one another, and be clothed with humility, for

"God resists the proud,
But gives grace to the humble."

Therefore humble yourselves under the mighty hand of God, that He may exalt you in due time,

You don't obtain grace ( the power of Christ) by standing up and claiming it. You get it at the throne of grace where you receive mercy and obtain grace to help in your time of need.

No matter what kind of husband, wife, employee, church elder, or Christian you have been. You need mercy. And then you will obtain the empowering presence of God to be who you are supposed to be and to do what you are supposed to.

Eph 6:24
Grace be with all those who love our Lord Jesus Christ in sincerity. Amen.

Make a list of New testament scriptures on grace and every time you come to the word grace. Stop and insert "The power of Christ" it will cause your bible to literally explode and will change your living.
 
If what RJ contends is the truth, that's a great thing for all of us who are believers, is it not? If he is error, how much can the error cost in the end of the matter?
 
If what RJ contends is the truth, that's a great thing for all of us who are believers, is it not? If he is error, how much can the error cost in the end of the matter?
Do you think what RJ says is truth or error Amadeus?
 
Do you think what RJ says is truth or error Amadeus?
He speaks much which is likely true, but on salvation I believe he misses the point of God's plan.

We shouldn't decide what we need and go ahead headlong.

We should go ahead in faith one step at the time without making any final conclusions and let God fill any gaps or correct any errors.

Me saying that RJ is wrong wouldn't doesn't make it so nor does would it make me right.

God is the One who is right on every point.

Since I know there is still much that I don't know, how do I know that all of that that I think I know is right?
 
He speaks much which is likely true, but on salvation I believe he misses the point of God's plan.

We shouldn't decide what we need and go ahead headlong.

We should go ahead in faith one step at the time without making any final conclusions and let God fill any gaps or correct any errors.

Me saying that RJ is wrong wouldn't doesn't make it so nor does would it make me right.

God is the One who is right on every point.

Since I know there is still much that I don't know, how do I know that all of that that I think I know is right?

LOL You're such a diplomat! I love that about you. Still, look at the points I posted...Why would Jesus need undeserved favor? And the other points......
Gal. 5:4 says you are fallen from grace.- So, God is going to give me something I don't deserve and then take it away if I don't deserve it. I'd be better off backsliding so I could get more grace.

Grace is unmerited favor? Really?
 
LOL You're such a diplomat! I love that about you. Still, look at the points I posted...Why would Jesus need undeserved favor? And the other points......
Gal. 5:4 says you are fallen from grace.- So, God is going to give me something I don't deserve and then take it away if I don't deserve it. I'd be better off backsliding so I could get more grace.

Grace is unmerited favor? Really?

My mind is tired and doesn't always work well when I call on it. I burned out much of my brain function in the last few years of employment to where it simply doesn't work like it used to...

My successes these days are seldom if ever mine.

If I seem to often say, 'Give God the glory', it because that is where any glory belongs. I abandoned Him for a long period of time and the "burn out" was part of my result. His mercy to me is certainly unmerited. It took a couple of years of humbling myself and refocusing what I could on Him before He finally began to answer me again. Somewhere along the line He led me past the point where I had been before sliding away for several years when I burned out.

That grace is different than mercy is something with which I also agree.
 
My mind is tired and doesn't always work well when I call on it. I burned out much of my brain function in the last few years of employment to where it simply doesn't work like it used to...

My successes these days are seldom if ever mine.

If I seem to often say, 'Give God the glory', it because that is where any glory belongs. I abandoned Him for a long period of time and the "burn out" was part of my result. His mercy to me is certainly unmerited. It took a couple of years of humbling myself and refocusing what I could on Him before He finally began to answer me again. Somewhere along the line He led me past the point where I had been before sliding away for several years when I burned out.

That grace is different than mercy is something with which I also agree.

Dear friend You are completely right to say 'To God be the glory..' All glory belongs to Him. You are doing rightly now and you are a king and a priest in His service. His love for you is unbounded and indescribable...After all...you are His son.
What you said right here is a wonderful testimony to His mercy and to His love. He keeps us and leads us always. Hugs on you brother
 
Me saying that RJ is wrong wouldn't doesn't make it so nor does would it make me right.
That is exactly right, Like Paul says, we look in a mirror dimly, but there will come a day when we will know fully! I for one have never said I was perfect, in fact, just the opposite; that just proves to me that I could never do anything that pleases God, it is all of him and none of me.
"You have to dance with the one you brought you".....I read the Bible and that's what it tells me, all you can do is read it for yourself and you decide....in the end, God will separate based on what he has proclaimed from the foundation.
 
If what RJ contends is the truth, that's a great thing for all of us who are believers, is it not? If he is error, how much can the error cost in the end of the matter?
John 6: 28-29 28Therefore they said to Him, “What shall we do, so that we may work the works of God?” 29Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent.
If you believe in other works required other than what is written here, then so be it; that is a burden that I do not share!
It is all about God and none of us.
I would also take notice that Jesus said: " The Work Of God" !
I give him all the glory, I take none.
In the end, I will let God make the decision.
I can take nothing else to the grave.
 
Dear friend You are completely right to say 'To God be the glory..' All glory belongs to Him. You are doing rightly now and you are a king and a priest in His service. His love for you is unbounded and indescribable...After all...you are His son.
What you said right here is a wonderful testimony to His mercy and to His love. He keeps us and leads us always. Hugs on you brother
Thanks for the kind words, good friend!
 
That is exactly right, Like Paul says, we look in a mirror dimly, but there will come a day when we will know fully! I for one have never said I was perfect, in fact, just the opposite; that just proves to me that I could never do anything that pleases God, it is all of him and none of me.
"You have to dance with the one you brought you".....I read the Bible and that's what it tells me, all you can do is read it for yourself and you decide....in the end, God will separate based on what he has proclaimed from the foundation.

Nobody is attacking RJ here.

I'm simply saying that one cannot confuse mercy with grace.
Grace is called.... unmerited favor .... This then has to be explained as, God is good to us even though we don't deserve it. We believe that, because we know that this is basically true. God is good to us even though we don't deserve it. So we accept it

That's the problem. Because it is not true. Based on what the bible teaches, this simply cannot be the true meaning of grace.

I can show you why, by asking three questions.

1. If Grace is unmerited favor (that is to say, God is good to us even though we don't deserve it.) Then every body gets this grace right?

Then why does God only give it only to the humble? James 4:6, and 1 peter 5:5

If it is truly unmerited favor, wouldn't God give it to the proud more then the humble? Wouldn't they "not merit" it more then the humble?

2. If Grace is unmerited favor (God is good to us even though we don't deserve it.)
then why can you fall from it?

Gal. 5:4 says you are fallen from grace.- So, God is going to give me something I don't deserve and then take it away if I don't deserve it. I'd be better off backsliding so I could get more grace.

3. If Grace is unmerited favor (God is good to us even though we don't deserve it.)
Then why was Grace upon Jesus? Luke 2:40

Still nobody has told me what Jesus did so that He needed unmerited favor.

So I have to ask here....Why is everybody dodging my questions?
 
John 6: 28-29 28Therefore they said to Him, “What shall we do, so that we may work the works of God?” 29Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent.
If you believe in other works required other than what is written here, then so be it; that is a burden that I do not share!
It is all about God and none of us.
I would also take notice that Jesus said: " The Work Of God" !
I give him all the glory, I take none.
In the end, I will let God make the decision.
I can take nothing else to the grave.
And just exactly what does it mean to believe in him as per the verses you quoted above? Jesus was speaking to and/or about some who believed in him in one sense of the word, but was it enough?

"And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?" Luke 6:46
 
I don't think the problem here is grace.
I think we all get more than we deserve. ( 2 Cor 12:9; John 1:16; Eph 1:6; etc.. ) His grace is sufficient.
His power is made perfect in our weakness.

However our weakness is not the same thing as purposely continuing in sin.
Grace is for the repentant. Grace is something that has to "continued in" on our part ( Acts 13:43; )
The more we sin... the more grace is required. ( Rom 6:1; Rom 6:15; )
We are supposed to conduct ourselves "in the grace of God" ( 2 Cor 1:12; )

But even grace can be received in vain.... ( 2 Cor 6:1; )
Grace can be deserted... for a different gospel ( Gal 1:6; )
If we still want to depend on priests and sacrifices and circumcision... we can nullify grace ( Gal 2:21; )
Grace requires stewardship of it ( Eph 3:2; 1 Pet 4:10; ) it needs to be handled with care.

Paul told Timothy to "guard" what was entrusted to him. Even false "knowledge".
Thus... some have gone astray from the faith.... Grace be with you. ( 1 Tim 6:20-21; )

We are told to be strong in the grace ( 2 Tim 2:1; )
We are told to draw near to the throne... so that we can find grace. ( Heb 4:16; )
We are told to "grow" in grace... ( 2 Pet 3:18; )

The thing is... no one... "NO ONE"... gets into heaven without grace. Period... so in that sense... it's a good thing.

But grace can be trampled on and insulted. ( Heb 10:29; )
We can go too far.... we can come up short of the grace of God. ( Heb 12:15; )
We can turn grace into a license to sin... (therefore denying Jesus) ... Jude 1:4;

Grace is given to everyone.... unconditionally at first.
But grace requires stewardship of it... grace can be lost.

The woman caught in adultery is a good example of this... (there are many others)
Jesus gets rid of all her accusers... then He says I don't condemn you either... ( John 8:11; )
But then He adds.... "From now on sin no more".

The initial grace was given freely... but now that's it's given to you... there are conditions on it. ( Rom 3:8; )
 
I'm simply saying that one cannot confuse mercy with grace.
Mercy is Grace. First Grace , then Mercy.
God is good to us even though we don't deserve it. So we accept it
You get we confused with everyone. God's grace is bestowed on the believer, not the UN-believer!
Then every body gets this grace right?
Then why does God only give it only to the humble? James 4:6
If it is truly unmerited favor, wouldn't God give it to the proud more then the humble? Wouldn't they "not merit" it more then the humble?
I will go back to the beginning, the humble are believers, the proud are UN-believers. Only the believer receives salvation by grace.
2. If Grace is unmerited favor (God is good to us even though we don't deserve it.)
then why can you fall from it?
Gal. 5:4 says you are fallen from grace.- So, God is going to give me something I don't deserve and then take it away if I don't deserve it. I'd be better off backsliding so I could get more grace.
You just can't see it can you? Galatians is talking about the unbeliever falling because they are still slave to the law for salvation instead of grace. The believer has Jesus in them. He said he would never leave or lose the believer. A believer doesn't fall away from that!
3. If Grace is unmerited favor (God is good to us even though we don't deserve it.)
Then why was Grace upon Jesus? Luke 2:40
This is so ridiculous , I barely know how to respond. Jesus is the son of God, he is God. Who can completely understand his ways. Of course God's grace was upon him and that has nothing to do with us!
 
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