Born again and Baptism, What's the connection?

[Born Again 2004]

When a person says today that they are 'born again', it's shorthand for saying something like - 'I have personally recieved Jesus Christ as my Lord and saviour and have now begun a new life in him.' And as long as everybody knows that's what we mean everything is good.

But there is a key question: are we using the phrase today in the same way that Jesus used it in his conversation with Nicodemus? What did Jesus actually mean Nicodemus to understand, how does the idea fit into the conversation and into the wider context of the way John gives his account of the gospel?

I still use the phrase the same!

 

[Born Again 2004]

Hi Butch,
2 Corinthians 13: 5 Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Do you not realise that Christ Jesus is in you--unless, of course, you fail the test? bless you.

2 Peter 1: 10-11

 

[Br. Bear]

@Butch5
Greetings Butch5,

Thank you for sharing what you have so far in this thread.
You wrote about the words of Jesus on the cross to one of the other two men being crucified at the same time.
You presented a case for the wording of the verse about being with Him in Paradise being in error due to the placing of a comma in the wrong place.

While this thread is not about that particular point, it has been brought up in discussion as somehow pertaining to the subject of the thread, being the connection with/to/between Baptism and Born Again.

I think it would be sensible to take up the subject of that 'Comma' on another thread.
Could you please indicate if you would like to start such a thread?

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In relation to this thread, may i suggest that the word rendered 'today' which can also be 'this day' carries much more than perhaps we have given credit to.
All the knowledge and thought and talk etc about both Born Again and Baptism must pivot on 'this day' or else be of little use or benefit to anybody, in any age.
I add that here because the subject was raised. And i extend this to all who read.

any feedback or replies are welcome


Bless you ....><>

 

[Born Again 2004]

You just don't get it!!!...comma,comma, comma. It's not about a comma, before, after or in between...It is the word of God, which is Jesus, and how He relates to us with in the confines of the New Covenant! For sure, the Thief is in Heaven with Jesus as we speak,...why are you in such denial? Go back and ask God for help!!!

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings,

are you addressing me?

You just don't get it!!!...comma,comma, comma. It's not about a comma, before, after or in between...It is the word of God, which is Jesus, and how He relates to us with in the confines of the New Covenant! For sure, the Thief is in Heaven with Jesus as we speak,...why are you in such denial? Go back and ask God for help!!!

If so, please do not get too presumptuous

This topic [about the comma] has been floating around since way, way, way before the internet times. It is usually presented as it has been thus far and the discussion gets going around things that usually do not help anybody to see what Scripture actually teaches. Some get all defensive and claim what they believe because that is what they believe, others get all suggestive that they are more learned and thereore they have a better understanding BUT it is something that is also used by some groups, as a part of their overall mark [and claim] of being different and more elite than the mainsteam professing Christian and the denominations etc.

Please understand that getting all upset about discussing it will not help anyone who encounters it to know what is what. Not a good place to leave people.

What can you tell us about that day? It does make a huge difference. And, it is really only more beautiful - seeing the way in which our God is the conductor of a magnificent symphony that you and i have been invited to partake in, by His grace and love, in Jesus Christ the Lord

please post prayerfully [ie, after praying and then some] Other people's walk can be effected by what we professing Christians write and how we interact with one another.
The time is short and perhaps even to the point that some may not have the luxury that many thus far have had to have time to squander in deliberations and the like before accepting the forgiveness we have become so acquainted with.


Bless you ....><>

 

[Butch5]

@Butch5
Greetings Butch5,

Thank you for sharing what you have so far in this thread.
You wrote about the words of Jesus on the cross to one of the other two men being crucified at the same time.
You presented a case for the wording of the verse about being with Him in Paradise being in error due to the placing of a comma in the wrong place.

While this thread is not about that particular point, it has been brought up in discussion as somehow pertaining to the subject of the thread, being the connection with/to/between Baptism and Born Again.

I think it would be sensible to take up the subject of that 'Comma' on another thread.
Could you please indicate if you would like to start such a thread?

================================

In relation to this thread, may i suggest that the word rendered 'today' which can also be 'this day' carries much more than perhaps we have given credit to.
All the knowledge and thought and talk etc about both Born Again and Baptism must pivot on 'this day' or else be of little use or benefit to anybody, in any age.
I add that here because the subject was raised. And i extend this to all who read.

any feedback or replies are welcome


Bless you ....><>

Hi Br. Bear,

Sure, I'd be happy to do that

 

[Trevor]

You just don't get it!!!...comma,comma, comma. It's not about a comma, before, after or in between...It is the word of God, which is Jesus, and how He relates to us with in the confines of the New Covenant! For sure, the Thief is in Heaven with Jesus as we speak,...why are you in such denial? Go back and ask God for help!!!

Proverbs 30:6 Do not add to his words, or he will rebuke you and prove you a liar. 2 Timothy 3:1-17. Worth a read. bless you.

 

[Butch5]

Actually, it is about the comma. The comma is not in God's word.

 

[Born Again 2004]

Greetings,

are you addressing me?



If so, please do not get too presumptuous

This topic [about the comma] has been floating around since way, way, way before the internet times. It is usually presented as it has been thus far and the discussion gets going around things that usually do not help anybody to see what Scripture actually teaches. Some get all defensive and claim what they believe because that is what they believe, others get all suggestive that they are more learned and thereore they have a better understanding BUT it is something that is also used by some groups, as a part of their overall mark [and claim] of being different and more elite than the mainsteam professing Christian and the denominations etc.

Please understand that getting all upset about discussing it will not help anyone who encounters it to know what is what. Not a good place to leave people.

What can you tell us about that day? It does make a huge difference. And, it is really only more beautiful - seeing the way in which our God is the conductor of a magnificent symphony that you and i have been invited to partake in, by His grace and love, in Jesus Christ the Lord

please post prayerfully [ie, after praying and then some] Other people's walk can be effected by what we professing Christians write and how we interact with one another.
The time is short and perhaps even to the point that some may not have the luxury that many thus far have had to have time to squander in deliberations and the like before accepting the forgiveness we have become so acquainted with.


Bless you ....><>

No, I thought I was addressing Butch!

 

[Risen]

I

You just don't get it!!!...comma,comma, comma. It's not about a comma, before, after or in between...It is the word of God, which is Jesus, and how He relates to us with in the confines of the New Covenant! For sure, the Thief is in Heaven with Jesus as we speak,...why are you in such denial? Go back and ask God for help!!!

I ignorantly have no idea what the argument is here. I thought this was a forum of people coming together who love Jesus. Seems to be bickering about semantics. Maybe this site is not for me.

 

[Born Again 2004]

Actually, it is about the comma. The comma is not in God's word.

Comma, comma, comma in the wrong place, is an excuse , makes no difference!

 

[Butch5]

Comma, comma, comma in the wrong place, is an excuse , makes no difference!

An excuse for what?

 

[Born Again 2004]

I

I ignorantly have no idea what the argument is here. I thought this was a forum of people coming together who love Jesus. Seems to be bickering about semantics. Maybe this site is not for me.

No argument...some want to criticize punctuation, doesn't change God's word one bit!

 

[Born Again 2004]

An excuse for what?

Trying to say God's word changes because the placement of a comma.

 

[Butch5]

Trying to say God's word changes because the placement of a comma.

I said no such thing. What changes is how one interprets the text. There is no comma in God's word.

 

[Born Again 2004]

I said no such thing. What changes is how one interprets the text. There is no comma in God's word.

Thats what you said on many occasions. What does that supposed to mean? And , "one doesn't interpret the text ,God does.

 

[Butch5]

Thats what you said on many occasions. What does that supposed to mean? And , "one doesn't interpret the text ,God does.

People interpret what they read and what the here. Someone say something, you interpret what they mean. Here is Websters definition of the word interpret.

: to explain or tell the meaning of : present in understandable terms

 

[Born Again 2004]

Thats what you said on many occasions. What does that supposed to mean? And , "one doesn't interpret the text ,God does.

Your the one who keeps bringing up commas, what is it supposed to mean?

 

[Born Again 2004]

People interpret what they read and what the here. Someone say something, you interpret what they mean. Here is Websters definition of the word interpret.

: to explain or tell the meaning of : present in understandable terms

Like I said, you just don't get it! God's word means nothing to the unbeliever. Once Born Again, it is the Holy Spirit that interprets scripture...not you!!!

 

[Butch5]

Like I said, you just don't get it! God's word means nothing to the unbeliever. Once Born Again, it is the Holy Spirit that interprets scripture...not you!!!

Where do you find that in Scripture?