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Pay attention. I am saying the Bible consists of 66 books. 39 in the Old, and 27 in the New.
What does your Bible consist of?
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Pay attention. I am saying the Bible consists of 66 books. 39 in the Old, and 27 in the New.
What does your Bible consist of?
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I use the KJV. I use the CJB Ok? As I said...Many Roman Catholics who are born again Christians use the Douay- Rheims Bible which has 76 books. Surely you're not saying that God cannot use this bible to save and grow His people? Are you going to answer the question? Or not?
Do you make a hobby of being nasty or are you that way naturally? You're rude, boorish, you're a bully and a stubborn one at that...You've made statements and accusations, and insinuated condemnations.....Grow up and act like the Christian you claim to be sir.
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Nice speech. But you didn't answer the question. How many books does your Bible consist of? In other words, How many books do you consider the Word of God?
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The bible is the Word of God. From lid to lid. Now I'm done talking to you until you can be civil.
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Nice speech. Yet...you still didn't answer the question. How many books do you consider the Word of God?
Civility is not my forte.
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How about you both take a break from communicating with each other for......how about 24 hours???
Let speaking in Love be paramount in your communications Dear Brothers!
Sometimes it's better to say nothing at all.
Keeping in mind that our Lord died for and Loves the one you are arguing with too.
With the Love of Christ Jesus.
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How about you both take a break from communicating with each other for......how about 24 hours???
Let speaking in Love be paramount in your communications Dear Brothers!
Sometimes it's better to say nothing at all.
Keeping in mind that our Lord died for and Loves the one you are arguing with too.
With the Love of Christ Jesus.
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Well I think it is pretty simple Is Christ God? And I agree the pope is not God's mouth piece if he does not speak from the foundation. My question to you is are you God's mouth piece ?
Isaiah 9:6-7 New King James Version (NKJV)
6 For unto us a Child is born,
Unto us a Son is given;
And the government will be upon His shoulder.
And His name will be called
Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
7 Of the increase of His government and peace
There will be no end,
Upon the throne of David and over His kingdom,
To order it and establish it with judgment and justice
From that time forward, even forever.
The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.
So, is Christ God yes or no? If no according to scripture , then you are right.
John 1 King James Version (KJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
John 1:14 King James Version (KJV)
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
Luke 1:42-44
Mary Visits Elizabeth
…42In a loud voice she exclaimed, “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb! 43And why am I so honored, that the(mother of my Lord should come to me?) 44For as soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy.…
So, if Christ is the Word and the Word is God became flesh what can we deduce?
And if the mother of our Lord is Mary as Elisabeth said what does that make Mary?
Just curious how you see this? IS CHRIST GOD INCARNATE? Is Mary mother to God the Son?
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Luke 1:42
(AMPC) And she cried out with a loud cry, and then exclaimed, Blessed (favored of God) above all other women are you! And blessed (favored of God) is the Fruit of your womb!
(ESV) and she exclaimed with a loud cry, “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb!
(GNB) and said in a loud voice, "You are the most blessed of all women, and blessed is the child you will bear!
(GW) She said in a loud voice, "You are the most blessed of all women, and blessed is the child that you will have.
(KJV) And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.
(MKJV) and cried out with a loud voice and said, Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb.
(MSG) and sang out exuberantly, You're so blessed among women, and the babe in your womb, also blessed!
(NAS77) And she cried out with a loud voice, and said, "Blessed among women are you, and blessed is the fruit of your womb!
(NASB) And she cried out with a loud voice and said, "Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb!
(NIrV) In a loud voice she called out, "God has blessed you more than other women. And blessed is the child you will have!
(NIV) In a loud voice she exclaimed: "Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the child you will bear!
(NLT) Elizabeth gave a glad cry and exclaimed to Mary, “God has blessed you above all women, and your child is blessed.
Always avoid versions that add words that aren't there.
No version of KIng James I have says Elizabeth says Mary is the mother of the Lord in Luke 1:43;
Mary is the mother of the Son of Man, but she certainly isn't the mother of God. Nether was she sinless.
Luke 1:47; And my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior.
I wonder why she would need a savior.
(AMPC) And she cried out with a loud cry, and then exclaimed, Blessed (favored of God) above all other women are you! And blessed (favored of God) is the Fruit of your womb!
(ESV) and she exclaimed with a loud cry, “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb!
(GNB) and said in a loud voice, "You are the most blessed of all women, and blessed is the child you will bear!
(GW) She said in a loud voice, "You are the most blessed of all women, and blessed is the child that you will have.
(KJV) And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.
(MKJV) and cried out with a loud voice and said, Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb.
(MSG) and sang out exuberantly, You're so blessed among women, and the babe in your womb, also blessed!
(NAS77) And she cried out with a loud voice, and said, "Blessed among women are you, and blessed is the fruit of your womb!
(NASB) And she cried out with a loud voice and said, "Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb!
(NIrV) In a loud voice she called out, "God has blessed you more than other women. And blessed is the child you will have!
(NIV) In a loud voice she exclaimed: "Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the child you will bear!
(NLT) Elizabeth gave a glad cry and exclaimed to Mary, “God has blessed you above all women, and your child is blessed.
Always avoid versions that add words that aren't there.
No version of KIng James I have says Elizabeth says Mary is the mother of the Lord in Luke 1:43;
Mary is the mother of the Son of Man, but she certainly isn't the mother of God. Nether was she sinless.
Luke 1:47; And my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior.
I wonder why she would need a savior.
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REALLY? Luke 1:43
King James Version
And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? Are you willfully blind? Sola Scriptura please.
I agree she was saved as I have said in other post Christ saved her too. This is the COMPLICATION (Mary) for all denominations. If you would allow me to explain my stance.
I love ALL Christians, I love ALL truth of denominations , I reject only the lies. I believe many doctrines have been falsely designed because men want to design her as they see fit. Each denomination fights with the other over their doctrines. I believe whole heartily in SCRIPTURE ALONE to form doctrines.
Protestant stance: She was born with sin as everyone else: AGREE. Scripture to support that stance:
Righteousness through Faith Romans 3:22-24
…22And this righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. (There is no distinction), 23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24and are justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus.…
As our wonderful apostle Paul said: "there are NO distinctions for ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God". Mary too was born with the stain of "original sin" as have all.
Death in Adam, Life in Christ Romans 5:11-13
11Not only that, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation. 12Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, (so also death was passed on to all men, because all sinned. ) 13For sin was in the world before the law was given; but sin is not taken into account when there is no law.…
"BECAUSE ALL HAVE SINNED". Paul puts to rest that she was conceived in her mothers womb without sin. She was conceived as we all were, only Christ was not.
However, she is a vessel chosen to made unto honor, through her Savior. Romans 9:20Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? 21Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
" My soul magnifies the Lord, and my spirit rejoices in God my SAVIOR". By the Power of the Most High she was made Immaculate in order to house the Word.
The Holy Seed (Word) is her Immaculate Conception, her means of being born again and she abides from her yes and can not and does not sin hence forth.
1John 3:5-7
…5But you know that Christ appeared to take away sins, and in Him there is no sin. 6No one who remains in Him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has seen Him or known Him. 7Little children, let no one deceive you: The one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as Christ is righteous.…
She is righteous as Christ is righteous, PERIOD!
She was married in every sense of the Word according to scripture alone:
Matthew 1:24-25 KJV and all versions by the way.
24Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: 25And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.
And knew her not ( to know just as the bible explains it to mean. ) She was married in every sense of the WORD because Marriage is Holy when in God. St. Paul uses the image of marriage as an example of Christ's love for His church.
She did have other sons and daughters according to scripture alone.
Matthew13:55-57
The Rejection at Nazareth
…55“Isn’t this the carpenter’s son? Isn’t His mother’s name Mary, and aren’t His brothers James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas? 56Aren’t all His sisters with us as well? Where then did this man get all these things?” 57And they took offense at Him. But Jesus said to them, “Only in his hometown and in his own household is a prophet without honor.”…
I will get into in greater detail about this and where all the apostles are from to prove the people of His home town were not speaking of apostles as Catholics and Orthodox say.
Point: I agree with the protestant stance concerning these things.
ORTHODOX: She is Theotokos , God Bearer: Well in scripture it is clear that Christ is God Incarnate , He is God the Son. To bear a child means to give birth to, She did and therefore I believe she is Theotokos because Christ is Theo(God).
Catholicism: She is the Ark of the Covenant, Well Christ is the Word of God, Bread from heaven, And is the iron Rod in which to rule because all authority has been given over to Him by the Father.
Perpetual Virginity: Hmm, well not in the way Orthodox and Catholicism teaches . She is in Spirit perpetually Virginal because She is sealed after becoming Saved through Christ and perfected for His purpose. She is the Ark of His strength Psalm 132:8. So since in other post I established that, you then will see how she is eternally Virginal. In her mortal life she walked with God and then that mortal had to put on immortality , in a twinkling of an eye and was transformed . She then has put on her heavenly garment( Like Christ revealed in His Transfiguration and is not taken or given into marriage for we are like the heavenly angels once we put on immortality. And the End Time elect will too be just like that, in Perpetual Virginity when transformed at the last trumpet.
The problem, I believe, has been all the fighting among denominations who are all seeking POWER over the other and therefore, do not consider what the other says. But for sure, Pope Pius IX falsely defined Immaculate Conception and many others have falsely defined Titles and called them Dogma without scriptural support. They have tried to usurp Christ as the Sole Authority over His church. One only has authority in the church through upholding the Word and being humbly obedient to Him. You are as infallible as the Word you stand on and uphold , Christ.
She is not Co- Redemtrix because all salvation and redemption is solely through Christ. She is a co worker, ambassador, mediator between men and Christ not between The Son and the Father who Christ is the only mediator between. We all are mediators between men and Christ, that is why we preach the word and spread the gospel. To That she says: "Do whatever He tells you".
A Call to Prayer 1 Timothy 2:4-6
…4who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. 5For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 6who gave Himself as a ransom for all—the testimony that was given at just the right time.…
Jesus Appears to the Disciples: John 20:20-22
…20After He had said this, He showed them His hands and His side. The disciples rejoiced when they saw the Lord. 21Again Jesus said to them, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent Me, so also I am sending you.” 22When He had said this, He breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit.…
When we seek to bring a sinner to Christ we are a mediator to bring a soul to his bondsman .
me·di·a·torDictionary result for mediator
/ˈmēdēˌādər/
noun
noun: mediator; plural noun: mediators
- a person who attempts to make people involved in a conflict come to an agreement; a go-between.
"It is completion" , We must direct all to Christ who is the mediator between the Father and the sinner. There is a lot to write. Maybe we all -together can bring an undiluted Gospel.
One in Christ Philippians ( Also Means Brotherly Love)
1Therefore if you have any encouragement in Christ, if any comfort from His love, if any fellowship with the Spirit, if any affection and compassion, 2then make my joy complete by being of one mind, having the same love, being united in spirit and purpose. 3Do nothing out of selfish ambition or empty pride, but in humility consider others more important than yourselves.…
This is not what is among denominations. Each wants to out do the other and never accepts a truth the other may bring to the table . If all the truth is gathered upon people who get it, you then have a perfect assembly.
Mary conceived without sin : This was at her new birth in Christ which is Immaculate Conception Genesis3:15 the Holy Spirit is the enmity between the Woman (Mary) and satan, this is the separation between her and sin- her Immaculate Conception, The Holy Spirit was placed between her seed (The Word, Christ) and his seed (satan's knowledge and all the ills of).
This is the separation Paul speaks of that is sharper than a two edged sword:
God's Word is Living and Active Hebrews 4:11-13
11Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following the same pattern of disobedience. 12For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it pierces even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow. It judges the thoughts and intentions of the heart. 13Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight; everything is uncovered and exposed before the eyes of Him to whom we must give account.…
Dividing SOUL FROM spirit, obviously not separating us from the Spirit of Christ so from whom?.....the evil spirit satan and all his minions. Joints and marrow ?showing that from the soul to the flesh dividing BONE , from evil and marrow , from evil. THIS MEANS restoring us and transforming us in soul -to the flesh, into the very marrow r which rejuvenates our blood to our DNA to the point that the Elect will ultimately be transformed and receive good health . At which point some of us will not sleep as St. Paul says and put on immortality. Others are taken by martyrdom but not by illness.
This is why the body and blood of Christ is so important. And believing that He is truly present in His supper.
Luke 22:19-20
19And He took the bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is My body, given for you; do this in remembrance of Me.” 20In the same way, after supper He took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is poured out for you.…
1Corinthians 11:23-30
23For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you: that the Lord Jesus, on the night He was betrayed, took bread, 24and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, “This is My body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of Me.” 25In the same way, after supper He took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood; do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.” 26For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until He comes.
27Therefore, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. 28Each one must examine himself before he eats of the bread and drinks of the cup. 29For anyone who eats and drinks without recognizing the( body )eats and drinks judgment on himself. 30That is why many among you are (weak and SICK, and a number of you have fallen asleep.)
Paul is saying we must recognize the BODY -Christ , in this supper. If you do not believe and do not see the value and extreme importance of it and do examine yourself as to why you are partaking in it , then you partake unto judgement.
Jesus the Bread of Life John 6:52-54
…52At this, the Jews began to argue among themselves, “How can this man give us His flesh to eat?” 53So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I tell you, unless you eat the flesh and drink the blood of the Son of Man, you have no life in you. 54Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.…
LIFE.....receive and believe in faith , Christ is the MIRACLE maker His Holy Spirit make our offering as such.
26For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until He comes. This is the offering upon the altar that is acceptable and pleasing to God the Father. It is to proclaim the Lords Death until He comes.
27Therefore, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord.
29For anyone who eats and drinks without recognizing the( body )eats and drinks judgment on himself.
He is truly present.
This is the sacrifice that will be abolished in Israel and the world.
Michael's Deliverance and the End Times Daniel 12:10-12
…10Many will be purified, made spotless, and refined, but the wicked will continue to act wickedly. None of the wicked will understand, but the wise will understand. 11And from the time (the daily sacrifice) is (abolished) and the abomination of desolation set up, there will be 1,290 days. 12Blessed is he who waits and reaches the end of the 1,335 days.…
THE WORD OF THE LORD, THANKS BE TO GOD!
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Love, Zeal, Hope, Hospitality Romans 12:9-11
9Love must be sincere. Detest what is evil; cling to what is good. 10Be devoted to one another in brotherly love. (Outdo yourselves in honoring one another). 11Do not let your zeal subside; keep your spiritual fervor, serving the Lord.…
Why do you want to demote her before men?
Regardless whether one lifts her or not ,God has lifted her to divine status. No one has any power over that . God's will be done!
All in Christ are lifted to divine status ,that is what Christ came in the world for, to exalt the humble, scripture speaks of this. Have you not read that or misread that too?
ex·altDictionary result for exalt
/iɡˈzôlt/
verb
verb: exalt; 3rd person present: exalts; past tense: exalted; past participle: exalted; gerund or present participle: exalting
- hold (someone or something) in very high regard; think or speak very highly of.
make noble in character; dignify.
Psalm 136:6Proverbs3:34 Proverbs29:23MatthewLuke 1:52James4:61Peter5:5
6 hFor though the Lord is high, he regards the lowly,
but the haughty he knows from afar.
34 Toward the cscorners he dis scornful,
ebut to the humble he gives favor.1
23 eOne's pride will bring him low,
fbut he who is lowly in spirit will obtain honor.
12 mWhoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.
52 jhe has brought down the mighty from their thrones
land exalted those of humble estate;
6 But dhe gives more grace. Therefore it says, e“God opposes the proud but dgives grace to the humble.”
5 Likewise, you who are younger, be subject to the elders. wClothe yourselves, all of you, with humility toward one another, for x“God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble.”
Here is some more meat of the scriptures.
Fullness of deity, do you really know what this means ?
The Unbelief of the Jews John 10:34
…33“We are not stoning You for any good work,” said the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because You, who are a man, declare Yourself to be God.” 34Jesus replied, “Is it not written in your Law: ‘I have said you are gods’?
LOWER CASE gods, why? In Christ is the fullness of deity. Did the WORD OF GOD COME TO MIRYAM, YES OR NO? And what does GOD call those to whom THE WORD OF GOD COMES?
I have heard much discussion concerning this and many interpretations of the Psalm. Christ used the Psalm because it obviously means exactly how I understand it to mean.
God Presides in the (Divine Assembly) Psalms 82:5-6
…5They do not know or understand; they wander in the darkness; all the foundations of the earth are shaken.” 6I have said, “You are gods; you are all sons of the Most High. 7But like mortals you will die, and like rulers you will fall.”…
Mary was transformed in a twinkling of an eye. her death and puting on immortality was in an instant, and so will the Elect Brides death be. In rapture (ecstasy) we will die. For flesh and blood can not enter into the Kingdom of heaven. She did not fall asleep to the earth though, just as Paul said,
Where, O Death, is Your Victory? 1Corinthians 15:50-52
50Now I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52in an instant, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable,( and we will be changed.…)
Paul knows this because of Psalm 132:8 and the apostles saw Christ ascend and know he took up the ARK OF HIS STRENGTH WITH HIM. Paul said we will not all sleep, he did fall asleep to the earth (meaning his mortal body) as did all the apostles,( one may have tarried though until the time of His return . That is another discussion). But his soul is with Christ and reigns as do all the Elect in Christ. However, Mary already had her transformation.
Sons Through Faith in Christ Galatians 3:27-29
…27For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed and heirs according to the promise.…
Mother Mariam is a heir according to the promise, which was fulfilled in her, that was made to Abraham
God speaks in inclusive terms even when saying son's just like saying MAN which means all.Since man is first and woman part of man. This HOLY DECREE of Christ too applies to Mother Miryam.
For in Christ there is neither male nor female, meaning in greatness concerning the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Yes weaker or stronger vessel but not a weaker or stronger Spirit all is Christ. Demi god:
dem·i·god
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/ˈdemēˌɡäd/
noun
noun: demi-god
a being with partial or lesser divine status, such as a minor , the offspring of a GOD and MORTAL, or a mortal raised to divine rank. THIS WOULD BE IN CHRIST. Are the elect made divine through Christ YES or NO? Now , with this hard doctrine you may act like the unbelieving Jews and will attempt to stone me.
Christ said it : 35If he called them gods to whom the word of God came—and the Scripture cannot be broken—… Throw stones if you will, sticks and stones may break my bones but the WORD OF GOD has spoken and the scripture cannot be broken! THE WORD OF THE LORD!
All the ELECT are demi in Christ, hence FULLNESS OF DEITY (GET IT!), in Him is the fullness of deity and not in anyone else or any other religion. That is why a lower case "g" is used in the Psalm 82:6 and John 10:34
the indwelling of the holy Spirit and God's name upon your mind (head) makes you divine. The BODY OF CHRIST is divine . Mary is a minor or demi in Christ as are all the Elect. AND THE SCRIPTURES CANNOT BE BROKEN!
She is: Daughter of God the Father
Mother to GOD the SON
Spouse of GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT, AMEN! AND THE SCRIPTURES CANNOT BE BROKEN! Just as we are all children of God the Father in Christ. Mother as all women who protect the faith are. and collectively the Church is like His mother because collectively we are defenders of the faith, spouse because we are His Bride. Mary is Righteous as Christ is righteous because the Holy Seed is within and she abides in Him so too does all His Church.
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Let me understand you......you do not believe Enoch wrote a Book or you do not believe the Books floating around today are of Enoch?Because it is clear Enoch wrote things and they were inspired by God because St. Jude quotes him.
Enoch is a prophet right?
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It is clear that Enoch prophesied concerning the Second Coming of Christ. (Jude14) That doesn't mean Jude quoted this prophecy from the apocryphal book of Enoch. The apocryphal writing may well have used the 14th verse of Jude to make his writing. Jude was writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit and so the Holy Spirit revealed this to Jude.
Had Enoch wrote under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, his book would have been included in the canon of Scripture. But it wasn't because he didn't.
Paul wrote another letter to the Corinthian church. But guess what? It wasn't under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit either and so wasn't included in the canon of Scripture.
Yes Enoch was a prophet. But the writings that are accorded to him are not inspired. His prophecy was true. The apocryphal writing under his name is not inspired.
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Enoch lived thousands of years before Jude.Jude quoted Enoch. Enoch is only apocrypha to those of you who do not think outside of your denomination. His writings survived . His writings were not called apocrypha by Christ and His followers. It was called apocrypha by messiah rejecting Jews after Christ. Then the Harlot Popes of the RCC called them that. Then Luther who was a Catholic Monk just accepted them as such and then removed even more meat from the bible. Prior to that, the Christian communities of Jude's time did read Enoch. Your opinion sounds jaded. Just the same, you are entitled to it and I respect your human dignity to speak your mind. Order of events and proper time lines still important. Enoch influenced Jude not the other way around, Enoch was written before Jude even was.
It is regarded as canonical by the Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church and Eritrean Orthodox Tewahedo Church,. Ancient hebrews used his writings as study right up to Christ and His followers. In more recent history (after Christ) Yeshua rejecting Jews put it aside because it proved Yeshua was the Messiah. Moving forward Ethiopia always used Enoch as Canon , they were excluded from the Councils . WONDER WHY?
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The Hebrews rejected the apocryphal writings as Scripture and inspired by God. Ethiopia can create it's own canon. It is not the inspired Word of God. So, it is no wonder if they were excluded from any councils.
The canon of the Hebrews from Palestine, or Israel, is the same as accepted by the Protestant Church today. The Tanakh is the Old Testament of the Protestant Church. All other writings are spurious and apocryphal.
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If you like me to reopen the thread, please let me know.
Until then it will stay close.
With the Love of Christ Jesus.
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