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Blasphemy: The Holy Spirit

Travis

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Acts chapter 6-7:

15 And gazing at him, all who sat in the council saw that his face was like the face of an angel.
1 And the high priest said, "Are these things so?"
2 And Stephen said: "Brothers and fathers, hear me. The God of glory appeared to our father Abraham when he was in Mesopotamia, before he lived in Haran,
3 and said to him, 'Go out from your land and from your kindred and go into the land that I will show you.'
4 Then he went out from the land of the Chaldeans and lived in Haran. And after his father died, God removed him from there into this land in which you are now living.
5 Yet he gave him no inheritance in it, not even a foot's length, but promised to give it to him as a possession and to his offspring after him, though he had no child.
6 And God spoke to this effect-that his offspring would be sojourners in a land belonging to others, who would enslave them and afflict them four hundred years.
7 'But I will judge the nation that they serve,' said God, 'and after that they shall come out and worship me in this place.'
8 And he gave him the covenant of circumcision. And so Abraham became the father of Isaac, and circumcised him on the eighth day, and Isaac became the father of Jacob, and Jacob of the twelve patriarchs.
9 "And the patriarchs, jealous of Joseph, sold him into Egypt; but God was with him
10 and rescued him out of all his afflictions and gave him favor and wisdom before Pharaoh, king of Egypt, who made him ruler over Egypt and over all his household.
11 Now there came a famine throughout all Egypt and Canaan, and great affliction, and our fathers could find no food.
12 But when Jacob heard that there was grain in Egypt, he sent out our fathers on their first visit.
13 And on the second visit Joseph made himself known to his brothers, and Joseph's family became known to Pharaoh.
14 And Joseph sent and summoned Jacob his father and all his kindred, seventy-five persons in all.
15 And Jacob went down into Egypt, and he died, he and our fathers,
16 and they were carried back to Shechem and laid in the tomb that Abraham had bought for a sum of silver from the sons of Hamor in Shechem.
17 "But as the time of the promise drew near, which God had granted to Abraham, the people increased and multiplied in Egypt
18 until there arose over Egypt another king who did not know Joseph.
19 He dealt shrewdly with our race and forced our fathers to expose their infants, so that they would not be kept alive.
20 At this time Moses was born; and he was beautiful in God's sight. And he was brought up for three months in his father's house,
21 and when he was exposed, Pharaoh's daughter adopted him and brought him up as her own son.
22 And Moses was instructed in all the wisdom of the Egyptians, and he was mighty in his words and deeds.
23 "When he was forty years old, it came into his heart to visit his brothers, the children of Israel.
24 And seeing one of them being wronged, he defended the oppressed man and avenged him by striking down the Egyptian.
25 He supposed that his brothers would understand that God was giving them salvation by his hand, but they did not understand.
26 And on the following day he appeared to them as they were quarreling and tried to reconcile them, saying, 'Men, you are brothers. Why do you wrong each other?'
27 But the man who was wronging his neighbor thrust him aside, saying, 'Who made you a ruler and a judge over us?
28 Do you want to kill me as you killed the Egyptian yesterday?'
29 At this retort Moses fled and became an exile in the land of Midian, where he became the father of two sons.
30 "Now when forty years had passed, an angel appeared to him in the wilderness of Mount Sinai, in a flame of fire in a bush.
31 When Moses saw it, he was amazed at the sight, and as he drew near to look, there came the voice of the Lord:
32 'I am the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham and of Isaac and of Jacob.' And Moses trembled and did not dare to look.
33 Then the Lord said to him, 'Take off the sandals from your feet, for the place where you are standing is holy ground.
34 I have surely seen the affliction of my people who are in Egypt, and have heard their groaning, and I have come down to deliver them. And now come, I will send you to Egypt.'
35 "This Moses, whom they rejected, saying, 'Who made you a ruler and a judge?'-this man God sent as both ruler and redeemer by the hand of the angel who appeared to him in the bush.
36 This man led them out, performing wonders and signs in Egypt and at the Red Sea and in the wilderness for forty years.
37 This is the Moses who said to the Israelites, 'God will raise up for you a prophet like me from your brothers.'
38 This is the one who was in the congregation in the wilderness with the angel who spoke to him at Mount Sinai, and with our fathers. He received living oracles to give to us.
39 Our fathers refused to obey him, but thrust him aside, and in their hearts they turned to Egypt,
40 saying to Aaron, 'Make for us gods who will go before us. As for this Moses who led us out from the land of Egypt, we do not know what has become of him.'
41 And they made a calf in those days, and offered a sacrifice to the idol and were rejoicing in the works of their hands.
42 But God turned away and gave them over to worship the host of heaven, as it is written in the book of the prophets: "'Did you bring to me slain beasts and sacrifices, during the forty years in the wilderness, O house of Israel?
43 You took up the tent of Moloch and the star of your god Rephan, the images that you made to worship; and I will send you into exile beyond Babylon.'
44 "Our fathers had the tent of witness in the wilderness, just as he who spoke to Moses directed him to make it, according to the pattern that he had seen.
45 Our fathers in turn brought it in with Joshua when they dispossessed the nations that God drove out before our fathers. So it was until the days of David,
46 who found favor in the sight of God and asked to find a dwelling place for the God of Jacob.
47 But it was Solomon who built a house for him.
48 Yet the Most High does not dwell in houses made by hands, as the prophet says,
49 "'Heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool. What kind of house will you build for me, says the Lord, or what is the place of my rest?
50 Did not my hand make all these things?'
51 "You stiff-necked people, uncircumcised in heart and ears, you always resist the Holy Spirit. As your fathers did, so do you.
52 Which of the prophets did your fathers not persecute? And they killed those who announced beforehand the coming of the Righteous One, whom you have now betrayed and murdered,
53 you who received the law as delivered by angels and did not keep it."
54 Now when they heard these things they were enraged, and they ground their teeth at him.
55 But he, full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God.
56 And he said, "Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God."

57 But they cried out with a loud voice and stopped their ears and rushed together at him.
58 Then they cast him out of the city and stoned him. And the witnesses laid down their garments at the feet of a young man named Saul.
59 And as they were stoning Stephen, he called out, "Lord Jesus, receive my spirit."
60 And falling to his knees he cried out with a loud voice, "Lord, do not hold this sin against them." And when he had said this, he fell asleep.
It seems that Stephen was speaking by the power of the Holy Spirit, and that his face was aglow with the Spirit as well. And he looked up into heaven and saw Jesus at the right hand of God, which could have only been done through the power of the Spirit. All the words that came out of Stephens mouth see to have been from the Spirit of God as well.

So when they stoned Stephen, they weren't rejecting him so much as they were rejecting the Lord, and rejecting the Spirit of God who was using Stephen as a vessel.

When Saul took responsibility for the stoning of Stephen, wasn't he making a statement with his actions? Were not his actions saying that Stephen was a servant of Satan, and that Stephen had so blasphemed in what he said and did that he deserved to be stoned to death? Did not Saul blaspheme the Spirit of God, in a sense, with his actions here, to call the power behind Stephen the power of Satan, and worthy of death by stoning?

How's come Paul was forgiven then?

Blessings,

Travis
 
Greetings,

Thank you for sharing this.

One and one equals two except when? When two become one.

Hope is offered to all. Let none reject, for the time will come when the door is shut and no wailing will reopen it.

Bless you ....><>
 
I'm not saying Paul committed what is called blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

I'm just saying that what many people think is the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit looks a lot like what Paul was before his conversion. If Paul was forgiven, there is much hope for all.

Blessings,

Travis
 
@Travis
One can easily say that the condition that Saul was if not in his own mind at the time. A condition of unpardonable sin. Which was true for Saul and everyone else that was, is, without God's Saving Grace through Christ Jesus. It took the road to Damascus for Saul to not reject, but accept and become who we now identify as Paul. Everyone has their own "Damascus". Maybe, not as dramatic, but no less with the opportunity made available to them.

As @Br. Bear stated:
QUOTE="Br. Bear, post: 258260, member: 10212"]Hope is offered to all. Let none reject, for the time will come when the door is shut and no wailing will reopen it.[/QUOTE]

Death is the greater divider Travis. It is when accounts have been closed and all that remains is the audit.

The post title might have been better named: "What it means to live for and die for Christ"

<><Blessings
YBIC
C4E

Additional Note:
All around the world there is Living & Dying for Christ happening even as we type and read these posts!
All I can say is keep praying for our Brother & Sister Saints throughout the world who like Stephen are facing Saul's daily. Pray that in so doing that these Saul's also have their own "Road to Damascus".
 
@Travis
One can easily say that the condition that Saul was if not in his own mind at the time. A condition of unpardonable sin. Which was true for Saul and everyone else that was, is, without God's Saving Grace through Christ Jesus. It took the road to Damascus for Saul to not reject, but accept and become who we now identify as Paul. Everyone has their own "Damascus". Maybe, not as dramatic, but no less with the opportunity made available to them.

As @Br. Bear stated:
QUOTE="Br. Bear, post: 258260, member: 10212"]Hope is offered to all. Let none reject, for the time will come when the door is shut and no wailing will reopen it.

Death is the greater divider Travis. It is when accounts have been closed and all that remains is the audit.

The post title might have been better named: "What it means to live for and die for Christ"

<><Blessings
YBIC
C4E

Additional Note:
All around the world there is Living & Dying for Christ happening even as we type and read these posts!
All I can say is keep praying for our Brother & Sister Saints throughout the world who like Stephen are facing Saul's daily. Pray that in so doing that these Saul's also have their own "Road to Damascus".

Hi Christ4Ever,

Thank you for the comments.

I do like the original title. I think I'll keep it for the time being.

It is interesting to see what conclusions and thoughts are brought up in others reactions to these scriptures and my short comments about them.

Blessings,

Travis
 
I'm just saying that what many people think is the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit looks a lot like what Paul was before his conversion. If Paul was forgiven, there is much hope for all.
Before Paul's conversion, he was a lost unbeliever, and like all unbelievers, they inherently blasphemy the Holy Spirit!:glasses:
 
Greetings,

Does the following go with what you're saying @Travis?

Mark 3:21- 30 And when his friends heard of it, they went out to lay hold on him: for they said, He is beside himself.

22 And the scribes which came down from Jerusalem said, He hath Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devils.

23 And he called them unto him, and said unto them in parables,How can Satan cast out Satan?

24 And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand.

25 And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand.

26 And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end.

27 No man can enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he will first bind the strong man; and then he will spoil his house.

28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:

29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:

30 Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.

Bless you ....><>
 
Greetings again,

I suppose another way of saying it might be that, like the testimony of Stephen, those who oppose one who speaks with a clean Spirit are opposing not the man but the Spirit who is Holy?
Calling the holy clean unclean devilish.
When one is cleansed and is called dirty it is an assault against the cleaner.
Jesus spoke not His own words but that which the Father gave Him, being filled with the Holy Ghost, being led by the Spirit, speaking forth the Word of Life and doing deeds that testified to Him.

Thanks for this important topic.

Bless you ....><>
 
Greetings,

Does the following go with what you're saying @Travis?

Mark 3:21- 30 And when his friends heard of it, they went out to lay hold on him: for they said, He is beside himself.

22 And the scribes which came down from Jerusalem said, He hath Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devils.

23 And he called them unto him, and said unto them in parables,How can Satan cast out Satan?

24 And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand.

25 And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand.

26 And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end.

27 No man can enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he will first bind the strong man; and then he will spoil his house.

28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:

29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:

30 Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.

Bless you ....><>

In that this is written in the scriptures I am sure some how or another it relates.

Thank you for posting,

Blessings,

Travis
 
Greetings again,

I suppose another way of saying it might be that, like the testimony of Stephen, those who oppose one who speaks with a clean Spirit are opposing not the man but the Spirit who is Holy?
Calling the holy clean unclean devilish.
When one is cleansed and is called dirty it is an assault against the cleaner.
Jesus spoke not His own words but that which the Father gave Him, being filled with the Holy Ghost, being led by the Spirit, speaking forth the Word of Life and doing deeds that testified to Him.

Thanks for this important topic.

Bless you ....><>

The original manuscripts had no place for capital letters in that they were all capital letters, and no punctuation actually as well.

We have made assumptions when and where such capital letters apply, and rightfully so. The fact that some disagree means at least one is wrong though.

I do not wish to mix topics too much or move too much farther off the original trail which was started, so I will stop there.

Perhaps some day someone will start a thread, perhaps even myself, and the 'heart' of the matter, so to say, can be addressed, and the head butting may ensue.

Bless you,

Travis
 
Greetings,

Yes, I realized that while posting.

Peter answered, Yea, Lord; Thou knowest that I love Thee.
John 21:16

Bless you ....><>
 
Acts chapter 6-7:

15 And gazing at him, all who sat in the council saw that his face was like the face of an angel.
1 And the high priest said, "Are these things so?"
2 And Stephen said: "Brothers and fathers, hear me. The God of glory appeared to our father Abraham when he was in Mesopotamia, before he lived in Haran,
3 and said to him, 'Go out from your land and from your kindred and go into the land that I will show you.'
4 Then he went out from the land of the Chaldeans and lived in Haran. And after his father died, God removed him from there into this land in which you are now living.
5 Yet he gave him no inheritance in it, not even a foot's length, but promised to give it to him as a possession and to his offspring after him, though he had no child.
6 And God spoke to this effect-that his offspring would be sojourners in a land belonging to others, who would enslave them and afflict them four hundred years.
7 'But I will judge the nation that they serve,' said God, 'and after that they shall come out and worship me in this place.'
8 And he gave him the covenant of circumcision. And so Abraham became the father of Isaac, and circumcised him on the eighth day, and Isaac became the father of Jacob, and Jacob of the twelve patriarchs.
9 "And the patriarchs, jealous of Joseph, sold him into Egypt; but God was with him
10 and rescued him out of all his afflictions and gave him favor and wisdom before Pharaoh, king of Egypt, who made him ruler over Egypt and over all his household.
11 Now there came a famine throughout all Egypt and Canaan, and great affliction, and our fathers could find no food.
12 But when Jacob heard that there was grain in Egypt, he sent out our fathers on their first visit.
13 And on the second visit Joseph made himself known to his brothers, and Joseph's family became known to Pharaoh.
14 And Joseph sent and summoned Jacob his father and all his kindred, seventy-five persons in all.
15 And Jacob went down into Egypt, and he died, he and our fathers,
16 and they were carried back to Shechem and laid in the tomb that Abraham had bought for a sum of silver from the sons of Hamor in Shechem.
17 "But as the time of the promise drew near, which God had granted to Abraham, the people increased and multiplied in Egypt
18 until there arose over Egypt another king who did not know Joseph.
19 He dealt shrewdly with our race and forced our fathers to expose their infants, so that they would not be kept alive.
20 At this time Moses was born; and he was beautiful in God's sight. And he was brought up for three months in his father's house,
21 and when he was exposed, Pharaoh's daughter adopted him and brought him up as her own son.
22 And Moses was instructed in all the wisdom of the Egyptians, and he was mighty in his words and deeds.
23 "When he was forty years old, it came into his heart to visit his brothers, the children of Israel.
24 And seeing one of them being wronged, he defended the oppressed man and avenged him by striking down the Egyptian.
25 He supposed that his brothers would understand that God was giving them salvation by his hand, but they did not understand.
26 And on the following day he appeared to them as they were quarreling and tried to reconcile them, saying, 'Men, you are brothers. Why do you wrong each other?'
27 But the man who was wronging his neighbor thrust him aside, saying, 'Who made you a ruler and a judge over us?
28 Do you want to kill me as you killed the Egyptian yesterday?'
29 At this retort Moses fled and became an exile in the land of Midian, where he became the father of two sons.
30 "Now when forty years had passed, an angel appeared to him in the wilderness of Mount Sinai, in a flame of fire in a bush.
31 When Moses saw it, he was amazed at the sight, and as he drew near to look, there came the voice of the Lord:
32 'I am the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham and of Isaac and of Jacob.' And Moses trembled and did not dare to look.
33 Then the Lord said to him, 'Take off the sandals from your feet, for the place where you are standing is holy ground.
34 I have surely seen the affliction of my people who are in Egypt, and have heard their groaning, and I have come down to deliver them. And now come, I will send you to Egypt.'
35 "This Moses, whom they rejected, saying, 'Who made you a ruler and a judge?'-this man God sent as both ruler and redeemer by the hand of the angel who appeared to him in the bush.
36 This man led them out, performing wonders and signs in Egypt and at the Red Sea and in the wilderness for forty years.
37 This is the Moses who said to the Israelites, 'God will raise up for you a prophet like me from your brothers.'
38 This is the one who was in the congregation in the wilderness with the angel who spoke to him at Mount Sinai, and with our fathers. He received living oracles to give to us.
39 Our fathers refused to obey him, but thrust him aside, and in their hearts they turned to Egypt,
40 saying to Aaron, 'Make for us gods who will go before us. As for this Moses who led us out from the land of Egypt, we do not know what has become of him.'
41 And they made a calf in those days, and offered a sacrifice to the idol and were rejoicing in the works of their hands.
42 But God turned away and gave them over to worship the host of heaven, as it is written in the book of the prophets: "'Did you bring to me slain beasts and sacrifices, during the forty years in the wilderness, O house of Israel?
43 You took up the tent of Moloch and the star of your god Rephan, the images that you made to worship; and I will send you into exile beyond Babylon.'
44 "Our fathers had the tent of witness in the wilderness, just as he who spoke to Moses directed him to make it, according to the pattern that he had seen.
45 Our fathers in turn brought it in with Joshua when they dispossessed the nations that God drove out before our fathers. So it was until the days of David,
46 who found favor in the sight of God and asked to find a dwelling place for the God of Jacob.
47 But it was Solomon who built a house for him.
48 Yet the Most High does not dwell in houses made by hands, as the prophet says,
49 "'Heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool. What kind of house will you build for me, says the Lord, or what is the place of my rest?
50 Did not my hand make all these things?'
51 "You stiff-necked people, uncircumcised in heart and ears, you always resist the Holy Spirit. As your fathers did, so do you.
52 Which of the prophets did your fathers not persecute? And they killed those who announced beforehand the coming of the Righteous One, whom you have now betrayed and murdered,
53 you who received the law as delivered by angels and did not keep it."
54 Now when they heard these things they were enraged, and they ground their teeth at him.
55 But he, full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God.
56 And he said, "Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God."

57 But they cried out with a loud voice and stopped their ears and rushed together at him.
58 Then they cast him out of the city and stoned him. And the witnesses laid down their garments at the feet of a young man named Saul.
59 And as they were stoning Stephen, he called out, "Lord Jesus, receive my spirit."
60 And falling to his knees he cried out with a loud voice, "Lord, do not hold this sin against them." And when he had said this, he fell asleep.
It seems that Stephen was speaking by the power of the Holy Spirit, and that his face was aglow with the Spirit as well. And he looked up into heaven and saw Jesus at the right hand of God, which could have only been done through the power of the Spirit. All the words that came out of Stephens mouth see to have been from the Spirit of God as well.

So when they stoned Stephen, they weren't rejecting him so much as they were rejecting the Lord, and rejecting the Spirit of God who was using Stephen as a vessel.

When Saul took responsibility for the stoning of Stephen, wasn't he making a statement with his actions? Were not his actions saying that Stephen was a servant of Satan, and that Stephen had so blasphemed in what he said and did that he deserved to be stoned to death? Did not Saul blaspheme the Spirit of God, in a sense, with his actions here, to call the power behind Stephen the power of Satan, and worthy of death by stoning?

How's come Paul was forgiven then?

Blessings,

Travis

Those that Jesus was talking to about blaspheming the Holy Spirit were the Pharisees who KNEW that the works He was doing right in front of them were the works of God and yet they attributed them to Satan nevertheless. THAT is the sin spoken of.

I don't believe that this sin can be committed after Jesus has gone to be with the Father, for Jesus is not here bodily to do these works, and so those of Christ who do them (like Stephen and any of us) can be maligned and denigrated, and their working of signs and wonders can be attributed to the devil, but they who do the maligning are just unbelievers, and blasphemy is a part of the ugliness of sins all unbelievers are guilty of...but not one sin is unforgivable to those who come before the Lord in brokenness and repentance.

In this age of grace, there is no unpardonable sin, apart from those who are outside of Christ remaining unrepentant, despite what religious and mistaken people say.

1 John 1:9 (AMP)
If we [freely] admit that we have sinned and confess our sins, He is faithful and just (true to His own nature and promises) and will forgive our sins [dismiss our lawlessness] and [continuously] cleanse us from all unrighteousness [everything not in conformity to His will in purpose, thought, and action].
 
Those that Jesus was talking to about blaspheming the Holy Spirit were the Pharisees who KNEW that the works He was doing right in front of them were the works of God and yet they attributed them to Satan nevertheless. THAT is the sin spoken of.

I don't believe that this sin can be committed after Jesus has gone to be with the Father, for Jesus is not here bodily to do these works, and so those of Christ who do them (like Stephen and any of us) can be maligned and denigrated, and their working of signs and wonders can be attributed to the devil, but they who do the maligning are just unbelievers, and blasphemy is a part of the ugliness of sins all unbelievers are guilty of...but not one sin is unforgivable to those who come before the Lord in brokenness and repentance.

In this age of grace, there is no unpardonable sin, apart from those who are outside of Christ remaining unrepentant, despite what religious and mistaken people say.

1 John 1:9 (AMP)
If we [freely] admit that we have sinned and confess our sins, He is faithful and just (true to His own nature and promises) and will forgive our sins [dismiss our lawlessness] and [continuously] cleanse us from all unrighteousness [everything not in conformity to His will in purpose, thought, and action].

So then, you would agree that Paul/Saul was not committing the unpardonable sin?

Blessings,

Travis
 
Greetings,

2Chronicles 36:16
But they mocked the messengers of God, and despised His words, and misused His prophets, until the wrath of the LORD arose against His people, till there was no remedy.
from 2Chronicles 36:11-16
11 Zedekiah was one and twenty years old when he began to reign, and reigned eleven years in Jerusalem.

12 And he did that which was evil in the sight of the LORD his God, and humbled not himself before Jeremiah the prophetspeaking from the mouth of the LORD.

13 And he also rebelled against king Nebuchadnezzar, who had made him swear by God: but he stiffened his neck, and hardened his heart from turning unto the LORD God of Israel.

14 Moreover all the chief of the priests, and the people, transgressed very much after all the abominations of the heathen; and polluted the house of the LORD which he had hallowed in Jerusalem.

15 And the LORD God of their fathers sent to them by his messengers, rising up betimes, and sending; because he had compassion on his people, and on his dwelling place:

16 But they mocked the messengers of God, and despised his words, and misused his prophets, until the wrath of the LORD arose against his people, till there was no remedy

It would appear that Saul of Tarsus was doing a sort of similar thing regarding Stephen?

And we see Peter (not Simon) being told,
Acts 10:15
ISV Again the voice came to him a second time, “You must stop calling unclean what God has made clean.”

LEB And the voice came again to him for the second time: “The things which God has made clean, you must not consider unclean!”

LHB And the voice spoke to him again the second time, What God has cleansed, do not call common.

SENT - Bible Text And a voice came to him a second time: “Stop calling things God has cleansed unholy!”

和合本 第二次有声音向他说:神所洁净的,你不可当作俗物。

Also we read,
1Corinthians 11:29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

And then it is written,
In Peter
2 Peter 2
1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.

3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;

7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:

8 (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds

9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:

10 But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.

11 Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.

12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;

13 And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you;

14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:

15 Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;

16 But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man's voice forbad the madness of the prophet.

17 These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.

18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.

19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.

20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb,The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

Again we can ask if Saul committed blasphemy against the Holy Ghost.

Bless you ....><>
 
One and one equals two except when? When two become one.
For as the Father has life in himself, he gave his Son life in himself.

And as written in John 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise."

As when the Spirit of God and the Word of God become one, or at least that is the way I saw the Holy Ghost in 1 John 5:7, being the son of the Eternal Light as written in 1 Tim 6:16
whom the Son said no man hath heard his voice nor seen his form and not that any man hath seen the Father, save him who is of God, he hath seen the Father.

Ps 19:6 His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.

Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more. 2 Cor 5:16
 
Greetings,

Witness is given and no amount of objection or blasphemy can blur nor change nor corrupt it nor can that Light accommodate darkness.
Hence the assault of darkness is not forgivable and no tolerance will be granted nor can be. Grace does not embrace darkness.
1John 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of Him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in Him is no darkness at all.

Bless you ....><>
 
It would appear that what you have deducted may be incorrect.

Presumption:

- assumption of something as true.
- a ground or reason for presuming or believing.
- an assumption, often not fully established, that is taken for granted in some piece of reasoning.

What exactly is it that you believe I have deducted?

Blessings,

Travis
 
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