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Even with my dumb intelligence Rapture Ready from what I read is not open, I was going to say screwed up. If my moderator wants to delete this Ok
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So much of waht I hear about raptur ready sound so much like this church in my locality called the wave church, I mean they lie and abuse people and think nothing of it, much less represent jesus in the matter, I mean I was even assauted by the assistant pastor all he did was lie and say he didn't do it. And when pastors lie to protect there false image that's what the bible calls a synagog of satan. So just cause they say my God's name dont mean nothing ,You know them by their fruit. It kinda sucks now haveing to be a living testament against them but someone has got to stand so jesus will tell those lieing servants of satan to depart as the doers of evil that they are into evrlasting Fire. So there will be justice in the end.
So much of waht I hear about raptur ready sound so much like this church in my locality called the wave church, I mean they lie and abuse people and think nothing of it, much less represent jesus in the matter, I mean I was even assauted by the assistant pastor all he did was lie and say he didn't do it. And when pastors lie to protect there false image that's what the bible calls a synagog of satan. So just cause they say my God's name dont mean nothing ,You know them by their fruit. It kinda sucks now haveing to be a living testament against them but someone has got to stand so jesus will tell those lieing servants of satan to depart as the doers of evil that they are into evrlasting Fire. So there will be justice in the end.
Rapture Ready moderators are aware of this thread and banning anyone (myself included) from their forums because of our participation in this thread. This, of course, is pathetic. I am not surprised, though.
I actually find it funny...I've never been the object of a conspiracy before! How exciting! :shade:
I am not interested in rapture ready website
I don't understand it,
I love Jesus Christ, who told us we would suffer alongside Him.
Rapture seems to be a cop out.
I want no more replies on rapture.
Please talk to me about anything else, Holy Spirit inspired.
love 'n light
johnpaul
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I don't understand it,
I love Jesus Christ, who told us we would suffer alongside Him.
Rapture seems to be a cop out.
I want no more replies on rapture.
Please talk to me about anything else, Holy Spirit inspired.
love 'n light
johnpaul
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a biblical basis
I am about 85 years old and have studied the Bible daily since I was 12. I see evidence in the Bible that indicates a rapture after the Great Tribulation. I would like to give some of that evidence little by little rather than write a whole book at one time.
youngjohn.
I am about 85 years old and have studied the Bible daily since I was 12. I see evidence in the Bible that indicates a rapture after the Great Tribulation. I would like to give some of that evidence little by little rather than write a whole book at one time.
youngjohn.
post trib rapture
Jesus gave the talk in Matt 24 about 2000 years ago. The orthodox view among Christians for most of that time was of a post tribulation rapture. About 1830 the pretrib rapture view began to be taught and was popularised by the Scofield Reference Bible. Believers like Presbyterians and Christian Reformed folks still do not accept the new view.
On this subject, Jesus advised, "See that no one leads you astray." Lets go back to the old view.
youngjohn
Jesus gave the talk in Matt 24 about 2000 years ago. The orthodox view among Christians for most of that time was of a post tribulation rapture. About 1830 the pretrib rapture view began to be taught and was popularised by the Scofield Reference Bible. Believers like Presbyterians and Christian Reformed folks still do not accept the new view.
On this subject, Jesus advised, "See that no one leads you astray." Lets go back to the old view.
youngjohn
I see no reason for a rapture after the great tribulation!
God cannot bring HIS WRATH upon His Own perfect body!
Why Would GOD Cause His children to suffer doing the great tribulation!
It Not appointed for us to feel HIS wrath Ever!
PLUS the church has Power power over satan and the anti-christs
We will come back here and rule 1000years then go to NEW JERUSALEM , while the earth is destroyed and then our city lands and we come back in it of course!
We meet Him in the air and are with HIM for the great tribulation!
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
Luk 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Mat 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
The CHURCH is mighty! The most Power force on earth! We have the Power of God within us!
Doesn"t matter our age or how long we studied the bible .It matter how well we Hear the Spirit of truth and obey Him!
1Th 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
God cannot bring HIS WRATH upon His Own perfect body!
Why Would GOD Cause His children to suffer doing the great tribulation!
It Not appointed for us to feel HIS wrath Ever!
PLUS the church has Power power over satan and the anti-christs
We will come back here and rule 1000years then go to NEW JERUSALEM , while the earth is destroyed and then our city lands and we come back in it of course!
We meet Him in the air and are with HIM for the great tribulation!
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
Luk 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Mat 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
The CHURCH is mighty! The most Power force on earth! We have the Power of God within us!
Doesn"t matter our age or how long we studied the bible .It matter how well we Hear the Spirit of truth and obey Him!
1Th 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
Evidence
I have seen various lists of reasons for believing in a pretrib rapture. Generally each list contains about the same items, as if the author of each list simply added to his list items from another person's list without considering their validity. I cannot in this note cover all the items because this note would be much too long.
One woman wrote, "I belong to the Bride of Christ. He would not let His Bride suffer in the Tribulation."
Does this lady have in her Bible the eleventh chapter of Hebrews? 11:35 (ESV) reads "Women received back their dead by resurrection. Some were tortured, refusing to accept release, so that they might rise again to a better life." Some believers refused to be rescued when it was offered.
Have you read Foxe's BOOK OF MARTYRS? Read it!
What about today? Write The Voice of the Martyrs. P. O. Box 443, Bartlesville, OK 74005-0443
Traditon says most of the twelve apostles died a violet death.
Do not believe the silly idea that believers in this world do not suffer.
John
I have seen various lists of reasons for believing in a pretrib rapture. Generally each list contains about the same items, as if the author of each list simply added to his list items from another person's list without considering their validity. I cannot in this note cover all the items because this note would be much too long.
One woman wrote, "I belong to the Bride of Christ. He would not let His Bride suffer in the Tribulation."
Does this lady have in her Bible the eleventh chapter of Hebrews? 11:35 (ESV) reads "Women received back their dead by resurrection. Some were tortured, refusing to accept release, so that they might rise again to a better life." Some believers refused to be rescued when it was offered.
Have you read Foxe's BOOK OF MARTYRS? Read it!
What about today? Write The Voice of the Martyrs. P. O. Box 443, Bartlesville, OK 74005-0443
Traditon says most of the twelve apostles died a violet death.
Do not believe the silly idea that believers in this world do not suffer.
John
lets not mix things up!
We will have tribulation on earth because the world hates us! But the Wrath is of GOD VERY DIFFERENT!
This is what we must think about? Does He bring His wrath on His household , Family , Body , His own Kingdom?
This is the Main Question!
Then its the next Question? Do we have Power over satan and those who follow him?
Now what the GREAT TRIBULATION is all about? It GODS WRATH Toward people who have refused to accept the LORD JESUS CHRIST and REFUSED to accept HIM as LORD and master! And also satans wrath on mankind!
We will have tribulation on earth because the world hates us! But the Wrath is of GOD VERY DIFFERENT!
This is what we must think about? Does He bring His wrath on His household , Family , Body , His own Kingdom?
This is the Main Question!
Then its the next Question? Do we have Power over satan and those who follow him?
Now what the GREAT TRIBULATION is all about? It GODS WRATH Toward people who have refused to accept the LORD JESUS CHRIST and REFUSED to accept HIM as LORD and master! And also satans wrath on mankind!
1Ti 5:8 But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.
2Co 9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.
Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Rom 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
Rom 5:5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us. Eph 3:17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
2Co 9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.
Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Rom 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
Rom 5:5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us. Eph 3:17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
chris meads
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What I believe!
I believe in what you call rapture but not defined as many define it.
As far as a pretribulation rapture I believe Men don't run from battle and cowards don't escape the second death. I believe that men are given the choice and right to become sons of God and be the body of christ and I believe women are called to be the bride of that christ.
(I know my lord Jesus for he walks with me and talks with me and teaches me.And I must recomend You seek him wile he can be found and stop arguing about things you've only read about.)
I believe in a midtribulation departure being the ministry of the 144'000
The 144'000 and all who follow them during the tribulation will battle satan and lose and be killed but there souls and spirits will never see death!(as much as is see people talking about my lord you would think thjey would acualy know him.and knowing him is only the beging and being known of him is the goal. I see so many who Get to know my lord and then turn and try to use their relationship with him to esault themselves in the world.AND i BELIEVE THESE ARE THOSE ON HIS LEFT.
who say but lord we did all these miricales in you name and he says I never knew you.)
And lastly I believe in the post tribulation picking up of the seeds of the souls that never grew for they were held captive by the armys of satan.
I think I left out the part after the departure of the 144,000 and all who chose to follow them,I believe will be the day the time and the hour that no one knows not even Christ which is the Hour that christ rides down with the armys of heaven and dispatches satan and his angels and all who chose to follow them and enter in to there condemnation(1 timothy 3:6)
Also I believe that there are those who are of the remnant (those who carried the gosspel forward)who have fallen asleep (died) and I believe they rise to christ before anything else I have ritten takes place.But specificly I believe this coincides with the pre trib departure .
AND LASTLY I WANT TO SAY DON'T BELIEVE ME OR WHAT I SAY BUT ASK CHRIST FOR YOUR SELVES FOR HE IS ALIVE AND WELL AND OVER ALL!!!!!!!!!!
I believe in what you call rapture but not defined as many define it.
As far as a pretribulation rapture I believe Men don't run from battle and cowards don't escape the second death. I believe that men are given the choice and right to become sons of God and be the body of christ and I believe women are called to be the bride of that christ.
(I know my lord Jesus for he walks with me and talks with me and teaches me.And I must recomend You seek him wile he can be found and stop arguing about things you've only read about.)
I believe in a midtribulation departure being the ministry of the 144'000
The 144'000 and all who follow them during the tribulation will battle satan and lose and be killed but there souls and spirits will never see death!(as much as is see people talking about my lord you would think thjey would acualy know him.and knowing him is only the beging and being known of him is the goal. I see so many who Get to know my lord and then turn and try to use their relationship with him to esault themselves in the world.AND i BELIEVE THESE ARE THOSE ON HIS LEFT.
who say but lord we did all these miricales in you name and he says I never knew you.)
And lastly I believe in the post tribulation picking up of the seeds of the souls that never grew for they were held captive by the armys of satan.
I think I left out the part after the departure of the 144,000 and all who chose to follow them,I believe will be the day the time and the hour that no one knows not even Christ which is the Hour that christ rides down with the armys of heaven and dispatches satan and his angels and all who chose to follow them and enter in to there condemnation(1 timothy 3:6)
Also I believe that there are those who are of the remnant (those who carried the gosspel forward)who have fallen asleep (died) and I believe they rise to christ before anything else I have ritten takes place.But specificly I believe this coincides with the pre trib departure .
AND LASTLY I WANT TO SAY DON'T BELIEVE ME OR WHAT I SAY BUT ASK CHRIST FOR YOUR SELVES FOR HE IS ALIVE AND WELL AND OVER ALL!!!!!!!!!!
chris meads
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SPIRIT1ST I'm fond of 1timothy 5:8 for it say if any, not making a distinction between male and female for god gave men talents and women talents for me its was my wife who refused to provide her god given talent to serve in our marriage as if we were one.
But it didn't end there she spent her days acussing me of the very thing she was doing(funny how guilt works) but I have to stand with god on this even though I sufferd many things because she kept letting satan in our house I provided my talents to our marriage as if we were one (God is with me and in a way few know)I had some missionaries recently who were amazed how strong god was with me and tried to tell me what I should be doing. I told them my relationship with Christ ment to much to me to capitalize off of!!!! But truthfully I'm not gona do something in minisrty Christ hasn't told me to.
But it didn't end there she spent her days acussing me of the very thing she was doing(funny how guilt works) but I have to stand with god on this even though I sufferd many things because she kept letting satan in our house I provided my talents to our marriage as if we were one (God is with me and in a way few know)I had some missionaries recently who were amazed how strong god was with me and tried to tell me what I should be doing. I told them my relationship with Christ ment to much to me to capitalize off of!!!! But truthfully I'm not gona do something in minisrty Christ hasn't told me to.
Jesus turned away from the Jews , yet in the end returns to them and reveals HIMSELF to Them as a whole! .Many Jews have Already accepted Him and His gospel! And are Born -again!HR first came for the Jews then turned to the gentiles , Soon returning back to the Jews after the time of the gentiles!
the catching away has many reasons, But I think the main reason is , So we are Not part of being in OUR FATHERS WRATH!
the catching away has many reasons, But I think the main reason is , So we are Not part of being in OUR FATHERS WRATH!
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SPIRIT1ST I'm fond of 1timothy 5:8 for it say if any, not making a distinction between male and female for god gave men talents and women talents for me its was my wife who refused to provide her god given talent to serve in our marriage as if we were one.
But it didn't end there she spent her days acussing me of the very thing she was doing(funny how guilt works) but I have to stand with god on this even though I sufferd many things because she kept letting satan in our house I provided my talents to our marriage as if we were one (God is with me and in a way few know)I had some missionaries recently who were amazed how strong god was with me and tried to tell me what I should be doing. I told them my relationship with Christ ment to much to me to capitalize off of!!!! But truthfully I'm not gona do something in minisrty Christ hasn't told me to.
GOD tells us to not be unevenly yokes! But I was married to a woman who would not listen to me! I told her I wanted her to go with our pastor
too speak for him . because she knew spanish well! She said NO. I said , But I told the pastor you would go! She said NO!
I told her if you do not go? I will go in the room and tell the LORd you will not listen to me! She laughed and said go head you so so !
I went in the bedroom and told the LORD! Father thois woman you gave me refuses to listen to me! And I want you to deal with her!
Well I asked her the next day are you going with the pastor? She said yes!
She came back all happy and started telling me stories!
Well about a couple weeks went by and i Again asked to do something! She said No. I said OK I will talk it over with the LORD ! She grabbed my shoulder and said please don"t I will do anything you say!
Not sure how HE dealt with her ! But it certainly made a strong impression on her. I believe talking to Our LORD , Helps LOTS
Comparison of the Great Tribulation with the Wrath of God
The Great Tribulation
Christians persecuted
Caused by Antichrist, & Satan
Require worship of the Beast
Penalty: non worshippers beheaded
Timing: just before the Rapture
Result: huge number of Christ's people killed Rev. 20:4
Their final end is to reign with Christ on earth
The Wrath of God
Unsaved punished
Caused by Jesus Christ
Forbids worship of the Beast
Penalty: worshippers go to lake of fire
Timing: after the Rapture
Result: all unbelievers thrown into lake of fire Rev. 20:15
Their final end is the second death
The Great Tribulation
Christians persecuted
Caused by Antichrist, & Satan
Require worship of the Beast
Penalty: non worshippers beheaded
Timing: just before the Rapture
Result: huge number of Christ's people killed Rev. 20:4
Their final end is to reign with Christ on earth
The Wrath of God
Unsaved punished
Caused by Jesus Christ
Forbids worship of the Beast
Penalty: worshippers go to lake of fire
Timing: after the Rapture
Result: all unbelievers thrown into lake of fire Rev. 20:15
Their final end is the second death
I see the days of sorrow
then the catching away
then the WRATH OF GOD upon this evil world, where billions die
then satan and the demons being bound for 1000 years
then the children of God returning to rule
then satan being released
then those who do not like the lord ruling, trying to kill him
Then judgment day. many being put in the lake of fire
us leaving while these heavens and earth are destroyed
then GOD created new heavens and a new earth
then Our city [New Jerusalem ] llanding on the new earth!
Then NO one ever sins again, ever
Many of Gods kids are in heaven now talking !
They return with Him to gather the rest!
1Th 3:13 To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.
Jud 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
What comfort would it be, if we went though the very worse time ever was on earth?
It would be a comfort if we did not have to watch millions upon millions die and suffer daily!
I do not mind others seeing it differently! But this is the way I see it!
This time we meet HIM in the air and go back home!
Why would we be GOING UP , if we were going to be here?
That would not make any sense!And the bible clearly says? to be absent from our bodies is death to our bodies!
Jas 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead,
then the catching away
then the WRATH OF GOD upon this evil world, where billions die
then satan and the demons being bound for 1000 years
then the children of God returning to rule
then satan being released
then those who do not like the lord ruling, trying to kill him
Then judgment day. many being put in the lake of fire
us leaving while these heavens and earth are destroyed
then GOD created new heavens and a new earth
then Our city [New Jerusalem ] llanding on the new earth!
Then NO one ever sins again, ever
Many of Gods kids are in heaven now talking !
They return with Him to gather the rest!
1Th 3:13 To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.
Jud 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
What comfort would it be, if we went though the very worse time ever was on earth?
It would be a comfort if we did not have to watch millions upon millions die and suffer daily!
I do not mind others seeing it differently! But this is the way I see it!
This time we meet HIM in the air and go back home!
Why would we be GOING UP , if we were going to be here?
That would not make any sense!And the bible clearly says? to be absent from our bodies is death to our bodies!
Jas 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead,
contradiction
You say the Great Tribulation is the Wrath of God.
The Bible speaks in Rev. 7:9 (ESV) of "a great multitude that no one could number, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and languages, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands," in heaven. Then it explains that they were "the ones coming out of the great tribulation. They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb." If this is the Wrath of God, why is He killing His own saints?
The fact is that these martyrs are being killed by the Beast, the Antichrist. Rev. 13:7 (ESV) "Also it was allowed to make war on the saints and to conquer them. And authority was given it over every tribe and people and language and nation," That is the Tribulation.
But the Wrath of God will be directed at unbelievers, the unsaved and unrepentant of earth. Not at believers.
John
You say the Great Tribulation is the Wrath of God.
The Bible speaks in Rev. 7:9 (ESV) of "a great multitude that no one could number, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and languages, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands," in heaven. Then it explains that they were "the ones coming out of the great tribulation. They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb." If this is the Wrath of God, why is He killing His own saints?
The fact is that these martyrs are being killed by the Beast, the Antichrist. Rev. 13:7 (ESV) "Also it was allowed to make war on the saints and to conquer them. And authority was given it over every tribe and people and language and nation," That is the Tribulation.
But the Wrath of God will be directed at unbelievers, the unsaved and unrepentant of earth. Not at believers.
John
It is strange that Christians hold on to error in spite of evidence that contradicts it.
If the pretrib rapture were taught in the Bible, I would accept it. But evidence from the Bible makes it not possible. When a man believes the error, he cannot see the truth when the Bible gives it because error blinds the mind.
For 1800 years Christians knew the Church must go through the Great Tribulation. The pretrib rapture theory was almost totally unknown in those years.
I have shown that the Great Tribulation is not the Wrath of God.
Matthew 24 should be clear enough when one reads it with an open mind. There is no pretrib rapture there.
I can give evidence from the Bible to anyone whose mind is open to receive what the Bible actually says.
John
If the pretrib rapture were taught in the Bible, I would accept it. But evidence from the Bible makes it not possible. When a man believes the error, he cannot see the truth when the Bible gives it because error blinds the mind.
For 1800 years Christians knew the Church must go through the Great Tribulation. The pretrib rapture theory was almost totally unknown in those years.
I have shown that the Great Tribulation is not the Wrath of God.
Matthew 24 should be clear enough when one reads it with an open mind. There is no pretrib rapture there.
I can give evidence from the Bible to anyone whose mind is open to receive what the Bible actually says.
John
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