Believe God Became a Man.

[mymakersdaughter]

Your lack of understand is astonishing. It is obvious you do not understand the entire post I put up.
LOL "You can quote words from the bible all you want, thats what alot of people do, but do you really understand them?" Now that is very funny, let's not look to the Bible for our understanding is that right? You do not understand the Bible. Again, go and learn from a Pastor.

 

[LegendaryU2K]

Again, go and learn from a Pastor.

Actually i would rather learn and heed and follow and seek after my "Lord & Savior" whom we callest: The Son of GOD. Thank you for boasting tho, our father in heaven will be well pleased.

 

[Mike]

Ledgendary ... Where did JESUS come from ? And why did he come ? And where is he now ? BROTHER

 

[LegendaryU2K]

Wow,
What a thread.
I was recently challenged by a friend on this very issue. He doesn't believe the trinity concept as most christians do. His challenge to me was based on the scripture in Mark chapter 13

"32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. 33 Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is"

Actually haha, that is a very good scripture pointing out another fact that, The Father and the Son is separate and not the same. It didnt say that Jesus would know, it says that GOD the father is the only one that knows, thus GOD is in direct control on whats coming and the later. You see here, that it does not mention anything about how Jesus Christ would know.

QUOTE=strypes] I have read many scriptures in reference to this and I have never been one for man's doctrines. My faith is based completely on the bible and not on what I am told by others (their interpretation). I believe there is wisdom in a multitude of counselors and to always bring it back to the word of God![/QUOTE]

I agree with you there, about the part about not being told by others. Even tho their views may be right, so its best to listen and see what they talking about. People say i'm wrong, but you never know, i could be right. The holy Ghost is well within me, just like it is well within the next person.

I believe in God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit!
One in purpose, one in spirit, One in power and glory and majesty yet separate. God the Father Is not flesh.(John 4:24) God the Son Is (Luke 24:39) and God the Holy Spirit...well duh (111 references)

God the Son is not mention in the bible, and GOD the holy spirit is not mention in the bible. The Disciples say: GOD The Father and His Son Christ Jesus. And the disciples are 100% correct, because they know more then us, we do not know more then them.

my favorite Joh 14:26 - The Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you everything and make you remember all that I have told you.

Co 13:13 -
The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.

:thumbs_up

 

[Mike]

What about my questions ? Where did jesus come from ? Why did he come ? And where is he now ? I want to learn too . BROTHER

 

[LegendaryU2K]

Ledgendary ... Where did JESUS come from ? And why did he come ? And where is he now ? BROTHER

You know i read somewhere in the bible that Jesus christ was created by GOD, i am guessing he came from heaven, because did not The Messiah say, i go back to my father, your father, and the world father?

Note: Along those same words, you see here that he said he is going back to his father & our Father.

Jesus was sent to the earth, he didnt come , he was sent here to do a Job. And he went back when his purpose was finsh. But we have faith, that he is coming back quicky to restore order, because GOD has given him power over the Earth. Sounds cool dont it:shade:

And again, Jesus Christ is back in the throne of heaven, right hand of GOD.

Why do you ask these questions, do you believe that Jesus came on his own will, or do you believe that GOD sent JESUS to this earth?

Btw, i have learn over the years that its its really impossible to change some one's mind dealing with alot of issues in the bible. Nobody knows everything, thats what makes this fun, so keep learning.

 

[sparky]

I think yall are being a bit hard on legendary.He obviously has an understanding of scripture that is dear to him and if he has peace and happiness with it,then so be it.Through my time here at talkjesus I have watched and been in invoved in many different discussions often where people have opposing opinions on differenet matters.The topic of tongues for example opens a can of worms every time its mentioned!I have my own views on the above thread and dont really want to enter into a bandying of words and scriptures with anyone.We have to be mindful we dont become like the scribes and pharisees who spent much of the time bickering and often missed the point or principle at stake.I love that i have the oppurtunity to come here and praise god,share godly conversation and enjoy fun and caring christian fellowship.We shoulnt brow beat others because their beliefs are not exactly the same as ours.GB you all!

 

[Yeshua]

Thanks for your thoughts mymakersdaughter!

Thanks for your thoughts mymakersdaughter!

The next thing you must do Legedary is to be going to a Bible believing Church and be under the teaching of a Pastor. We cannot keep spoon feeding you along here, there is a time when you must take responsibilitly and start eating meat as it were, not just drinking milk. You obviously do not understand and that is okay and that is why I encourage you to be part of a Church body, to be under the teaching of a learned Pastor.

 

[LegendaryU2K]

You forgot to comment on this one. and I even quoted it King james for you!!

John chapter 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. ................14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. (KJV)


Where exactly is the term "God the Father" found?

You were so busy trying to prove me wrong, you completely missed what I was saying.

I already explain to someone on this board what John chapter chapter 1 verse 1 is about , along those same lines i said that "You are not allowed, to read one line to gain the correct understanding of the word of GOD"
Try understanding that , then the answer is right in front of you.

I never have the bible near me when i am on the computer, but GOD the Father is there, i will post it in due time. The disciples uses this term thoughout the bible more then once, alot of times for that matter. Not once did that say Christ Jesus is GOD , they say: GOD the Father and The Son of GOD, whom is the Christ.

And on the last thing: I am not trying to prove anyone wrong, why would i do that, when none of us, knows everything from the holy bible.

 

[Yeshua]

RFor you LegendaryU2K.

Believe God Became a Man.



An Old Testament Prophet Predicted A God-Man


What we do know is that in the seventh century BC, the prophet Isaiah made predictions about a Servant of the Lord who would rule the earth in the last days. He described a day in which all of the earth would be at peace and all the nations would go up to Jerusalem to worship God (Isaiah 2). Isaiah announced, "Unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given; and the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace" (9:6). Isaiah also gave a mysterious prophecy that was only partially fulfilled in his lifetime. It began, "The Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel" (7:14). Immanuel means "God with us."

A Virgin Conceived


If Mary was telling the truth, her baby had no human father. She claimed an angel appeared to her and told her she would conceive a son by God's Spirit. Then he said that this child, whom she was to name Jesus, would be the Son of God. If Mary was lying, the night of Jesus' birth was not holy, and the only thing that was silent was the truth. But how can we know? How can we take seriously the kind of story that usually deserves laughs of disbelief? The answer is in what followed. If there were no witnesses and no evidence, we could ignore Mary's claims. If her son's life was the same as any other life, her claim of a virgin birth would be the easiest of all stories to dismiss.



Angels Announced The Birth


In the shepherds' fields outside of Bethlehem, a group of witnesses formed a bridge between Isaiah and Mary. According to New Testament records (Luke 2:8-14), terrified Jewish shepherds were visited by an angel who announced the birth of Israel's long-awaited Messiah. The angel said, "Do not be afraid, for behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy which will be to all people. For there is born to you this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord. And this will be the sign to you: You will find a Babe wrapped in swaddling cloths, lying in a manger" (vv.10-12). As the shepherds told it, the sky was filled with angels praising God and saying, "Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace among men in whom He is well pleased" (v.14).



A Sign Appeared In The Sky


According to the New Testament, a light in the sky gave additional credibility to Mary. A group of Magi from the East followed a "starlike sign" to the Jewish town of Bethlehem. What they found was a child they believed to be the long-awaited Jewish Messiah. For hundreds of years Old Testament prophets had been speaking of "a Star" and "a Scepter" that would come out of Israel (Numbers 24:17). The Old Testament also predicted a ruler of Israel who would come out of Bethlehem, a ruler "whose goings forth are from old, from everlasting" (Micah 5:2).



The Time Was Right


Many believe that the Magi who worshiped Jesus after His birth came from the region of Babylon. If so, they could have had access to the prophecy of a Jewish prophet named Daniel. While in exile in Babylon 400 years earlier, Daniel had a vision that allows for the calculation of the arrival of the Jewish Messiah. According to Daniel's vision, from the command to rebuild the temple (458 BC or 444 BC), 69 "sevens" would be followed by the arrival and death of Messiah (Daniel 7:13-14; 9:24-27). Some believe this prophecy predicted the exact number of days until Jesus' triumphal entry into Jerusalem. (For more details see RBC publication The Daniel Papers).



Jesus Claimed To Be Equal With God


Some have suggested that Jesus never claimed for Himself what His followers claimed for Him. Yet the commotion that surrounded His life can be best explained by His repeated claim to be one with God. John, one of the Gospel writers, quoted Jesus as saying, "Before Abraham was, I AM" (8:58). (In Exodus 3:14, the name I AM was used by God to identify Himself to Moses.) John also quoted Jesus as saying, "I and My Father are One" (10:30) and "If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you know Him and have seen Him" (14:7). According to the Gospels, Jesus said that to love or hate Him, or to receive or reject Him, was to love or hate, receive or reject His Father in heaven.



His Friends Worshipped Him


When Thomas, one of Jesus' disciples, saw the resurrected Christ, he declared, "My Lord and my God!" (John 20:28). Years later, Jesus' close friend and follower John wrote, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. . . . And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth" (John 1:1-3,14). Another friend, Peter, in one of his letters to the early church, addressed his readers as "those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ" (2 Peter 1:1).



Jesus' Enemies Accused Him Of Blasphemy


Jesus' friends may have wanted to believe He was more than a man, but His enemies did not. The religious leaders of Israel were outraged to think that the same man who accused them of being hypocritical, blind leaders of the blind, would also claim to forgive sins, would speak of God as His Father, and would even say that He was one with God. On more than one occasion the leaders of Israel picked up stones to kill Jesus, saying, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God" (John 10:33).



Jesus' Miracles Supported His Claims


Jesus' miracles recorded in the New Testament were more than wonders. They were signs. He did them to encourage men and women to believe in Him for everlasting life. He healed a crippled man to affirm His right to forgive sins. He fed thousands of people with a little boy's lunch, setting the stage for His claim to be the "bread of life." He walked on water, stilled angry seas, healed the sick, restored paralyzed limbs, gave sight to the blind and hearing to the deaf, and even raised from the dead an embalmed man by the name of Lazarus. One reason Jesus performed miracles was to support His claim to be God. The apostle John wrote, "Truly Jesus did many other signs in the presence of His disciples, which are not written in this book; but these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name" (John 20:30-31).



His Departure Was Greater Than His Arrival


Many people down through history have claimed to be gods. Yet only one man has been willing to die for the sins of others. Only one has risen from the dead to prove that He is the Son of God. According to the New Testament, after Jesus voluntarily gave His life on an executioner's cross, He appeared to His closest disciples and more than 500 other followers for a period of 40 days (1 Corinthians 15:5-8). The eyewitnesses were so convinced of His resurrection that they were willing to suffer and die for their claims. His disciples said that He showed them His scarred hands and feet, walked and talked with them, and even ate with them. Then while they met with Him on the Mount of Olives, He gave them His last words and ascended into the clouds. With a departure more spectacular than His arrival, Jesus left us with a better understanding of the announcement of the angel who said, "There is born to you this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord" (Luke 2:11).




In the Love of Christ.:boy_hug:

I already explain to someone on this board what John chapter chapter 1 verse 1 is about , along those same lines i said that "You are not allowed, to read one line to gain the correct understanding of the word of GOD"
Try understanding that , then the answer is right in front of you.

I never have the bible near me when i am on the computer, but GOD the Father is there, i will post it in due time. The disciples uses this term thoughout the bible more then once, alot of times for that matter. Not once did that say Christ Jesus is GOD , they say: GOD the Father and The Son of GOD, whom is the Christ.

And on the last thing: I am not trying to prove anyone wrong, why would i do that, when none of us, knows everything from the holy bible.

 

[LegendaryU2K]

I only read the first half , because i notice that you are quoting from a website, the old copy and paste method. You dont know how to speak word from word from your heart , instead you do the old copy and paste thing.

And btw, that first part does not say anything about The King of Jews is GOD. GOD is with us, and? When i go to the mall, GOD Is with me, when i sleep at night and my wife is by my side, GOD is with us.

Next, try again......

Ps. You said Believe GOD become a man, But the scritpures say:

God Sent Jesus <<<<<, Big difference:thumbs_up

 

[LegendaryU2K]

Also check this out, i notice this too, where ever you quoted this from, the person is way off base and i see he gets confused on alot of things, for example:

>>>>One reason Jesus performed miracles was to support His claim to be God. The apostle John wrote, "Truly Jesus did many other signs in the presence of His disciples, which are not written in this book; but these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name <<<<<<<<<

Let me break this one down, before i roll. Take this line first:

One reason Jesus performed miracles was to support His claim to be God.

This is not found in the bible, and other great prophets before Jesus was sent , had performed miracles, and they aint GOD.

Now, If we continue, we read this:

The Second part clearly says, that the world may believe that Jesus is the Christ, The Son of GOD


No where, does it mention how we must believe that Jesus Is GOD.

Peace, Good post tho, i'm having fun. Lets continue if you must, i am on my toes, alot of scritpures i got tattooed in my brain, so lets go.

 

[Mike]

Ledgedary .... please do not be offended by me asking this . You are right when you say GOD is with us all the time . But , have you accepted JESUS CHRIST as you're LORD and SAVIOR . And if you did accept him as LORD and SAVIOR, then how did he become our LORD and SAVIOR ? Again , please do not be offended as I am trying to understand where you are comming from besides the bible ? But do you consider youreself a converted christian ? So I guess the question I am asking is , do you consider yourself a christian , or follower of CHRIST , or a teacher of the bible ? BROTHER

 

[LegendaryU2K]

Ledgedary .... please do not be offended by me asking this . You are right when you say GOD is with us all the time . But , have you accepted JESUS CHRIST as you're LORD and SAVIOR . And if you did accept him as LORD and SAVIOR, then how did he become our LORD and SAVIOR ? Again , please do not be offended as I am trying to understand where you are comming from besides the bible ? But do you consider youreself a converted christian ? So I guess the question I am asking is , do you consider yourself a christian , or follower of CHRIST , or a teacher of the bible ? BROTHER

Offended lol, not me. You ask have i accepted Jesus Christ as my lord and savior? The answer is yes, Jesus is my savior by the Glory of GOD. How did he become our Lord and Savior? By The Glory and authority of GOD The Father, all power is given to The Son of Man.

I dont consider myself a christain for many reasons. I aint gonna get into this, but remember that "We all are the same in the flesh and in spirit" I am a follower of Christ Jesus, a believer of the holy bible, and i only worship GOD. I dont consider myself a disciple or a teacher, i am just a normal man who believes in the creator and his son Jesus Christ. If you must label me anything, label me a believer and a child of GOD. I dont have a religion, because i choose not to. I only have faith in the holy bible, some may say i am with christianity, but i'm not. I dont recall seeing that word in none of the bibles btw.

Thats about it, i got love for everyone, dont matter who you is, i got love for you!

 

[Mike]

GOD bless the thankful and the humble ! It is right to give thanks and praise ! For I was lost , and now I am found ! I was hatefilled , and abused . I was dead in my sins , and I was dying in my flesh . Every person turned their back to me , and I was all alone . Then I cried out to GOD, and begged his forgiveness . I was facing 7 years in prison , for stealing a policemans truck , and only for a ride home from a night of death and despair !
My wife had prayed for three long years , as I wasted my strength on devilish living . She prayed that GOD would redeem me from my chains , and I cursed her the whole three years ! I remember her saying , that my fight with GOD would bring me to my knees ! I screamed never will I serve a GOD who would let me be used so bad . She said , GOD will draw you to him , and forgive all you're sins , and wash away you're pain . No way , I thought . GOD could never love me ! I have cursed him , and hurt his daughter , and abandoned my only son ! How could he ever want me . I decided to go to the courtroom , and be a man , do my 7 years ! This was the only time I said I was going to be treated fair ! So there I was , ready for justice after all these years . How do you plead , the judge ask . I said , GUILTY , I AM GUILTY . I stole the truck !!! My wife didn't even come with me . She said ,I am staying home to pray . After a long 30 seconds went by . The prosecutor said , you're honor , I don't know why I am saying this . But mister Sawyer has had enough , I believe he is ready to change ! The judge said what do you want me to do ! The prosecutor said , give him 100 hours of community service . I thought , that is all ! I went home and bragged about how I got away . All I had to do was get my orders about where to go , and do my time . My wife said , my prayers worked , I knew GOD wouldn't let me down . I thought what a nut , and laughed at the whole thing . The next day , I reported to court to get my destination . Where am I sentenced to do my time . The court said , 100 hours of service , at you're wifes church !!! That was 20 and 1/2 years ago , and GOD has protected me ever since . This is a true testimony , about how the LORD was saving my life . Praise GOD and his only son JESUS CHRIST forever . BROTHER Mike Sawyer

 

[LegendaryU2K]

True:thumbs_up I think its funny how man wont forgive the next man, but GOD will. All men must forgive thier neighbors and help them out , to become better men.

Good times:shade:, even unto the end of this world , for The Messiah is with us all, even the HOly Ghost, all work is done by The Father.

 

[evangeline]

Actually Jesus is called God in the New Testament, several times, and by those who knew Him best:

Paul called Jesus the great God and Saviour. Titus 2:13
Peter writes our God and saviour, Jesus Christ. 2 Peter 1:1
Thomas addresses Jesus as My Lord and my God! John 20:28
John called the Word/Jesus, God. John 1:1

To me the most convincing proofs of Jesus deity is found by comparing certain scriptures in the Old Testament that clear talk about YHWH (Jehovah) often translated as LORD (all capitals), with scriptures that clearly talk about Jesus:

For instance, in Isaiah 40:3 it speaks about preparing the way for the LORD (Yahweh). When we compare this verse with Mark 1:3 we readily see that it is Jesus who is the LORD and had the way prepared for him by John the Baptist.

In Joel 2:32 it says that whoever calls upon the Name of the LORD (Yahweh) will be saved. This verse is reiterated by Peter in Acts 2:21, and Paul in Romans 10:13. Both apostles are clearly referring to Jesus as the LORD.

In Isaiah 6:1-10 we read about the marvellous vision that Isaiah had revealing the glory of the LORD (Yahweh). John tells us in John 12:40&41 that this vision revealed the Glory of Jesus.

In Isaiah 44:6 the LORD (Yahweh) refers to himself as the first and the last. )Alpha and Omega) This title is used again Revelation 1:8 & especially verse17 by Jesus

In Zechariah 12:10 the LORD (Yahweh) is saying that “they will look on Me whom they have pierced.“ This is obviously Jesus (the second person of the Trinity) speaking. (Psalm 22:16; John 19:34) This passage from Zechariah appears again in Revelation and is clearly about Jesus Christ.

Check these scriptures out for yourself and draw your own conclusions with an open mind.


evangeline

 

[Yeshua]

LegendaryU2K, we know in part and God's thoughts are far above our thoughts.

I walk in faith and in that faith I know God let's me know what I need to know. I know this that it is not God's will that any should be lost. I also know that we are saved believing in what Christ Jesus did for us and by no other way. I am also not offended. I trust in God completely and nothing else and that is also why I trust in Jesus the Christ completely because he is God too and he did not come only in spirit but in the flesh as well and truely lived as a man also.

I only wish to help others understand more of what God wishes for them to know so I share what he has shared with me. Notice! I didn't say understand completely cause only God can reveal that to any of us.

If you are fully convinced of what you say, God knows that. There is nothing hid from God. We are saved by what God has done for us and by no other way. I hope and pray that this clears your glass up so that you see more clearly but it is most important that we know where are salvation comes from and who it is that we have put our faith in.

I do believe in God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit as ONE GOD and ONE LORD.

I have a MIND and A BODY and A SOUL and I'm not divided. Would this be to hard for God?

Is God confined to our UNDERSTANDING, I say not.


In God's that has been willed towards us and by his Spirit by which we are saved, for the scriptures are not broken, only we fall short.

Yeshua :boy_hug:

P.S. I post scripture because it can not be broken and so that people can easily find it and don't have to take extra time to find it and if I hear or read something that the Lord tells me is true, I will share that too because Jesus told me too. These things I have spoken from my heart which is Christ Jesus, by faith he remains in me and he is my life and my only way to the Father who sends me to Christ Jesus with the inspired word of the Holy Spirit. resent::thumbs_up

True:thumbs_up I think its funny how man wont forgive the next man, but GOD will. All men must forgive thier neighbors and help them out , to become better men.

Good times:shade:, even unto the end of this world , for The Messiah is with us all, even the HOly Ghost, all work is done by The Father.

 

[Mike]

I just want to thank-you Yeshua for you're insight and wisdom in you're responses to legendary . I thank GOD for legendary , and his misconceptions about scripture , because he has only stirred up the truth in all who have replied to him , and we have all benefited , from those truths from GODS word . Although I do not agree with legendary , or his positions in the word . I am thank-full that he has not been angry or obnoxious toward most people here at talkjesus . He has just given us all an opportunity to dig deeper in the truth of the word and grow from those very truths ! GOD bless you and all who have been stirred inside , to bring GLORY to the FATHER , SON, and HOLY SPIRIT ! Three as one ! BROTHER

 

[Yeshua]

Your more than welcomed! Brother in Christ, BROTHERSINARMST4G.

We go where the LORD sends us and we are to do what he says to do, other wise why would we call him LORD.

And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? Luke 6:46

In Yeshua :boy_hug:

I just want to thank-you Yeshua for you're insight and wisdom in you're responses to legendary . I thank GOD for legendary , and his misconceptions about scripture , because he has only stirred up the truth in all who have replied to him , and we have all benefited , from those truths from GODS word . Although I do not agree with legendary , or his positions in the word . I am thank-full that he has not been angry or obnoxious toward most people here at talkjesus . He has just given us all an opportunity to dig deeper in the truth of the word and grow from those very truths ! GOD bless you and all who have been stirred inside , to bring GLORY to the FATHER , SON, and HOLY SPIRIT ! Three as one ! BROTHER