baptized with water and the holy spirit

[Truthcomber]

Hi Mart,


I agree with you 99%--just that I believe God and his expression are one. He expressed himself in the prophets of old, but expressed himself fully in the Messiah humanity in the New Testament. The terminology of "God is one" is not the same as "there is only one God". True, there is only one God. But when you have "is" in the sentence, you are equating two parts as one. I believe that one part is God himself and the other his expression which can be temporary.

 

[Truthcomber]

Old Testament:
Strong's Hebrew: 1697. דָּבָר (dabar) -- speech, word
dabar: speech, word
Original Word: דָבָר
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: dabar
Phonetic Spelling: (daw-baw')
Definition: speech, word



Here are two examples of the words (Debar) of God coming to the prophets as spokesman for the almighty.

Deuteronomy 18:18 I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their fellow Israelites, and I will put my words (Debar) in his mouth. He will tell them everything I command him.

1 Ch 17:3 (NIV) But that night the word (Debar) of God came to Nathan, saying:…

Me: As you can infer, the spokesman of God will have the word of God in his mouth.




Correspondingly in the New Testament:

John 1:1 (NIV) In the beginning was the Word (Logos), and the Word (Logos) was with God, and the Word (Logos) was God.

John 5:24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word (Logos), and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.

Mark 13:31 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words (Logos) shall not pass away.

Strong's Concordance
logos: a word (as embodying an idea), a statement, a speech
Original Word: λόγος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: logos
Phonetic Spelling: (log'-os)
Definition: a word (as embodying an idea), a statement, a speech
Usage: a word, speech, divine utterance, analogy.

Me: Again as you can infer, the spokesman of God will have the word of God in his mouth.

Heb 1:1 (NKJV) God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, 2 has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, (me: G1223 dia: for whom) also He made the worlds;

John 16:15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
Me: God spoke through the prophets at various times. He has spoken everything and every moment through his son in the New Testament), for no one has heard or seen God at any time (John 1:18). He revealed himself and words through the flesh of Christ (John 1:14).

NASB Translation
account (7), account* (1), accounting (2), accounts (2), answer (1), appearance (1), complaint (1), exhortation* (1), have to do (1), instruction (1), length* (1), matter (4), matters (1), message (10), news (3), preaching (1), question (2), reason (2), reasonable (1), remark (1), report (1), said (1), say (1), saying (4), sayings (1), speaker (1), speech (10), statement (18), story (1), talk (1), teaching (2), thing (2), things (1), utterance (2), what he says (1), what* (1), word (179), words (61).

Me: He is the spokesman fully of his Father. He is the expression of God and his words (John 6:63) in his humanity. The expression of God and God are one and the same (Mark 12:29, Deuteronomy 6:4)..

Revelation 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

 

[Truthcomber]

Hi All,



Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Me: Did Adam and Eve die physically that day that they ate of the forbidden fruit? No, but their spirit mind or capacity to have a relationship with God did.

Matt 8:22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.

Me: the dead here spiritually will bury the dead physically. We have a human aspect to our mind and a regenerated spiritual capacity if we are born of God. If we are born of the humanity of Christ and of the holy spirit (John 3:5), we will have the heart of the humanity of Christ in us besides the holy spirit (Ezekiel 11:19, Ezekiel 36:26).

I believe the divinity of God in heaven was expressed fully in Christ as the spirit aspect of it (Colossians 2:9) in the Messiah’s mind. Likewise, the humanity of Christ here on earth was expressed in God (John 14:11) and John 3:13…”even the son of man which is in heaven”.

This bond was completed just before the crucifixion of Christ, “John 7:… or the Holy Ghost was not yet ___; because that Jesus was not yet glorified).

Thus the humanity of Christ and the holy mind of God are one (John 10:10). In conclusion, the mind of God and the expression of it are one. On the other hand, the expression of God and the humanity of the Messiah are one (John 10:30),

Me: After the Messiah was glorified in heaven, the father had no need to express himself fully in the Messiah here on earth but was directly in him in heaven. Likewise, the Messiah here on earth had no need to express himself in God in heaven, but was directly in him in heaven.

John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Romans 4:17… even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.

 

[Truthcomber]

Hi All,

Hi All,

There are some translations in the NLT that I feel are bogus. If you put your cursor on some of them, you will get a false reading. So, below is what I believe is true and not true (NLT) base on Strong’s concordance:


Ezekiel 11:19 Then I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within them, and take the stony heart out of their flesh, and give them a heart of flesh,
NOT Ezk 11:19 (NLT) And I will give them singleness of heart and put a new spirit within them. I will take away their stony, stubborn heart and give them a tender, responsive heart,



Ezk 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
NOT: Ezekiel 3:26 (NLT) And I will give you a new heart, and I will put a new spirit in you. I will take out your stony, stubborn heart and give you a tender, responsive heart.



John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
NOT : John 3:13 (NLT) No one has ever gone to heaven and returned. But the Son of Man has come down from heaven.



John 1:18 (WEB) No one has seen God at any time. The one and only Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he has declared him.
NOT: John 1:18 (NLT) No one has ever seen God. But the unique One, who is himself God,[a] is near to the Father’s heart. He has revealed God to us.

 

[Truthcomber]

Hi All,


It is important to note that God expressed himself in Christ and not as Christ. Christ is not God incarnate. I have explained this before.

1 John 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in _____flesh is of God:

and NOT 1John 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

Click the link right below and see:

1 John 4:2 Interlinear: in this know ye the Spirit of God; every spirit that doth confess Jesus Christ in the flesh having come, of God it is,

2 Cor 5:19 To wit, that God was IN Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Me: This verse does not say that God was Christ, but God was in Christ.

 

[Truthcomber]

Hi All,

Joel 2:32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of (me:YHWH) shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the Lord hath said, and in the remnant whom (me:YHWH) shall call.

Acts 4:10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole…12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Me: So what name are we saved by, YHWH or Jesus Christ?

 

[Truthcomber]

Hi All,


Judges 13:18 (NIV) He replied, "Why do you ask my name? It is beyond understanding."
Quote: "Name signifies character of a person."
Matthew 6:9 Interlinear: thus therefore pray ye: 'Our Father who art in the heavens! hallowed be Thy name.
Strong's Greek: 3686. ὄνομα (onoma) -- a name, authority, cause
Quote: “["According to Hebrew notions, a name is inseparable from the person to whom it belongs, i.e. it is something of his essence. Therefore, in the case of the God, it is specially sacred" (Souter).]”

Rev 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns (me: verse 16 of the saints) and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name (unknown: Judges 13:18 above) is called The Word of God.

Me: The saints shall know and understand God’s name and thus God.

1 John 3:2 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him (Me: God: this verse) not. 2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see (me: perceive because God is invisible) him as he is.

Me: We are coinheritors with Christ of all things, even his name.

Romans 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years

 

[Mart]

Hi Mart,


I agree with you 99%--just that I believe God and his expression are one. He expressed himself in the prophets of old, but expressed himself fully in the Messiah humanity in the New Testament. The terminology of "God is one" is not the same as "there is only one God". True, there is only one God. But when you have "is" in the sentence, you are equating two parts as one. I believe that one part is God himself and the other his expression which can be temporary.

I'd put it closer to 99.5% and that .5% may be just semantics.

 

[Sue D.]

Hi All,

Joel 2:32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of (me:YHWH) shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the Lord hath said, and in the remnant whom (me:YHWH) shall call.

Acts 4:10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole…12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Me: So what name are we saved by, YHWH or Jesus Christ?

You've answered your own question -- Jesus Christ -- Acts 4:12. Jesus Christ of Nazareth is the Son of God.

 

[Brother-Paul]

We cannot condemn those who believe and do not attend a place of worship, called a church.

I know a person who attended services at, Church of England, RCC, Methodist, URC and had fellowship with some Baptists, the person has not been part of any denomination for the last twenty of the last thirty years. That person believes no less today than the hour he/she first believed, and has continued to grow in faith. So this tells me, although it is good and important to go to a local church building for prayer, fellowship and worship, it doesn't mean the person is lost or misguided.

Greetings Sue

A person WHO goes from church to church like that IS BOUND TO GET A variety OF DIFFERENT DOCTRINAL BELIEFS and could END UP FAIRLY CONFUSED IN WHAT THEY BELIEVE AND WHY.

Would you say I am fairly confused in what I believe Sue? That person is myself!

As a rule people stick to one denomination or another, following that denominations practices, having seen the differences between denominations, and in some cases some of those who call themselves Christians, I assure you, it is certainly an eye opener.

My faith has never dwindled, over the years my faith has continued to grow, the meat from The Word is richer and tastier. I belong to the one true church Sue, all truly saved members do, I do not belong to any denomination.

Part or the situation for me is that I am disabled and very deaf, although the disabled side could be overcome, the severe hearing loss cannot, I get frustrated, I get stressed, because I cannot hear. But the good Lord has provided for all my needs according to His riches and glory in heaven. I have always managed to have fellowship, the Lord has always provided.