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Acts 1:4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. 5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
Me: So what does this mean?
Romans 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Me: Water baptism symbolizes the watery grave of Christ’s death--of his soul.
John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man (one already born of the flesh) be born of WATER and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
John 7:38 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. 38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly (2836. koilia: soul) shall flow rivers of LIVING WATER. 39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet ______; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
Strong's Greek: 2836. κοιλία (koilia) -- belly
2836. koilia5 in imitation of the Hebrew בֶּטֶן, tropically, the innermost part of a man, the soul, heart, as the seat of thought, feeling, choice (Job 15:35; Job 32:18 (the Sept. γαστήρ); Proverbs 18:8 (the Sept. ψυχή); (the Sept. σπλάγχνα); Habakkuk 3:16; Sir. 19:12 Sir. 51:21): John 7:38.
Me: The phrase “for the Holy Ghost was not yet GIVEN” should be “for the Holy Ghost was NOT YET” in the Greek text. For the holy spirit was GIVEN as attested to by John and Baptist and others in the OT. These prior to Pentecost was born of the spirit but not yet baptized of the holy spirit. This was of the promise for eternal life. No one was baptized of the holy spirit from Christ’s birth to Christ’s resurrection from the dead (John 20:22).
Old Testament prophets and John the Baptist had the spirit of God in them and where born of the spirit. They were not baptized of the holy spirit until Christ had resurrected from the dead. Then they became the BEGOTTEN sons of God. John the Baptist had the holy spirit from his mother’s womb. But the Messiah was the only begotten Son of God at the time of his conception (John 3:16). This should not be confused with Christ as the first born from the dead (Rev 1:5, Heb 5:5).
Below is another example of one born of the spirit before the resurrection and glorification of Christ, i.e. before being baptized of the holy spirit?
Gal 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise. 29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now
Me: So those saints that died before receiving the baptism of the holy spirit had to be so baptized before they could be saved.
Acts 1:4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. 5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
Me: So what does this mean?
Romans 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Me: Water baptism symbolizes the watery grave of Christ’s death--of his soul.
John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man (one already born of the flesh) be born of WATER and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
John 7:38 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. 38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly (2836. koilia: soul) shall flow rivers of LIVING WATER. 39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet ______; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
Strong's Greek: 2836. κοιλία (koilia) -- belly
2836. koilia5 in imitation of the Hebrew בֶּטֶן, tropically, the innermost part of a man, the soul, heart, as the seat of thought, feeling, choice (Job 15:35; Job 32:18 (the Sept. γαστήρ); Proverbs 18:8 (the Sept. ψυχή); (the Sept. σπλάγχνα); Habakkuk 3:16; Sir. 19:12 Sir. 51:21): John 7:38.
Me: The phrase “for the Holy Ghost was not yet GIVEN” should be “for the Holy Ghost was NOT YET” in the Greek text. For the holy spirit was GIVEN as attested to by John and Baptist and others in the OT. These prior to Pentecost was born of the spirit but not yet baptized of the holy spirit. This was of the promise for eternal life. No one was baptized of the holy spirit from Christ’s birth to Christ’s resurrection from the dead (John 20:22).
Old Testament prophets and John the Baptist had the spirit of God in them and where born of the spirit. They were not baptized of the holy spirit until Christ had resurrected from the dead. Then they became the BEGOTTEN sons of God. John the Baptist had the holy spirit from his mother’s womb. But the Messiah was the only begotten Son of God at the time of his conception (John 3:16). This should not be confused with Christ as the first born from the dead (Rev 1:5, Heb 5:5).
Below is another example of one born of the spirit before the resurrection and glorification of Christ, i.e. before being baptized of the holy spirit?
Gal 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise. 29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now
Me: So those saints that died before receiving the baptism of the holy spirit had to be so baptized before they could be saved.
