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2Tim 3:8; Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so these men also oppose the truth, men of depraved mind, rejected in regard to the faith.
2Tim 3:9; But they will not make further progress; for their folly will be obvious to all, just as Jannes’s and Jambres’s folly was also.
In the Canonized book of the Bible, these names are only mentioned here. We don't know a lot about Jannes and Jambres, but we know they opposed Moses.
An assumption (could be right or wrong)... but...
Exod 7:10; So Moses and Aaron came to Pharaoh, and thus they did just as the Lord had commanded; and Aaron threw his staff down before Pharaoh and his servants, and it became a serpent.
Exod 7:11; Then Pharaoh also called for the wise men and the sorcerers, and they also, the magicians of Egypt, did the same with their secret arts.
Exod 7:12; For each one threw down his staff and they turned into serpents. But Aaron’s staff swallowed up their staffs.
Exod 7:21; The fish that were in the Nile died, and the Nile became foul, so that the Egyptians could not drink water from the Nile. And the blood was through all the land of Egypt.
Exod 7:22; But the magicians of Egypt did the same with their secret arts; and Pharaoh’s heart was hardened, and he did not listen to them, as the Lord had said.
The Bible doesn't tell us the names of the sorcerers and magicians that opposed Moses in Exodus. But it is possible these could be people named in 2Timothy 3.
This thread isn't really about Jannes and Jambres so much, but rather is it OK to make assumptions about the Bible?
This is one of those subjects people feel pretty strongly about one way or the other.
There really is no other place in the Bible where people who followed another form of religion opposed Moses. So should we just assume this was Jannes and Jambres?
What would be the down-side to this assumption? Probably not much in this case. But does the Bible expect us to make some assumptions?
This is far from the only place in the Bible that causes for speculation.
Some believe the story of Lazarus and the rich man in Sheol, is also the story of where Martha and Mary's brother went until Jesus raised him from the dead.
Other's do not. The Bible is not really clear on this one way or the other.
Now we have to be careful here. There have been times entire doctrines and theologies have been built on "assumptions". I definitely wouldn't recommend that, but some have done it.
2Tim 3:9; But they will not make further progress; for their folly will be obvious to all, just as Jannes’s and Jambres’s folly was also.
In the Canonized book of the Bible, these names are only mentioned here. We don't know a lot about Jannes and Jambres, but we know they opposed Moses.
An assumption (could be right or wrong)... but...
Exod 7:10; So Moses and Aaron came to Pharaoh, and thus they did just as the Lord had commanded; and Aaron threw his staff down before Pharaoh and his servants, and it became a serpent.
Exod 7:11; Then Pharaoh also called for the wise men and the sorcerers, and they also, the magicians of Egypt, did the same with their secret arts.
Exod 7:12; For each one threw down his staff and they turned into serpents. But Aaron’s staff swallowed up their staffs.
Exod 7:21; The fish that were in the Nile died, and the Nile became foul, so that the Egyptians could not drink water from the Nile. And the blood was through all the land of Egypt.
Exod 7:22; But the magicians of Egypt did the same with their secret arts; and Pharaoh’s heart was hardened, and he did not listen to them, as the Lord had said.
The Bible doesn't tell us the names of the sorcerers and magicians that opposed Moses in Exodus. But it is possible these could be people named in 2Timothy 3.
This thread isn't really about Jannes and Jambres so much, but rather is it OK to make assumptions about the Bible?
This is one of those subjects people feel pretty strongly about one way or the other.
There really is no other place in the Bible where people who followed another form of religion opposed Moses. So should we just assume this was Jannes and Jambres?
What would be the down-side to this assumption? Probably not much in this case. But does the Bible expect us to make some assumptions?
This is far from the only place in the Bible that causes for speculation.
Some believe the story of Lazarus and the rich man in Sheol, is also the story of where Martha and Mary's brother went until Jesus raised him from the dead.
Other's do not. The Bible is not really clear on this one way or the other.
Now we have to be careful here. There have been times entire doctrines and theologies have been built on "assumptions". I definitely wouldn't recommend that, but some have done it.
