Are you saved?? are you 100% sure? How so

[Dave M]

How do you know you are saved is the question. My preacher warns our assembly all the time, many of you think you are saved but actually are not. When I was living in sin I pretty much always thought I was saved.

So how do you know 100% you are saved?

I mean that is what its all about, we can debate all we want on this forum about doctrine and theology, but it really all boils down to making sure we are saved.

So how do you know 100% you are saved?

thanks
dave

 

[Fragrant Grace]

Maybe your preacher should preach the blood of Jesus that cleanses from all sin....
And that whosoever will may come to the Lord.

Trust in the Lord not man

 

[Dave M]

Maybe your preacher should preach the blood of Jesus that cleanses from all sin....
And that whosoever will may come to the Lord.

Trust in the Lord not man

My preacher has nothing to do with this question, I know 100% I am saved because of Jesus.

Heaven will be full of forgiven people who know that they could never be good enough to be saved on their own.

I know I am saved because of the evidence in my life, because I have a new spirit, a new heart, I am a new creation in Christ Jesus.

I know I am saved because I have new desires, I can look back and see I am a totally different person now.

Far to many people think they are saved but are not, they think they are good people, but the bible tells us no one is good except God. We use society standards of good, instead of Gods perfect Holy standard, that no make human can live up to, this is why we need Jesus!! saved people know this.

Lots of people think they can confess with their mouth they believe, but their hearts of far from Jesus, they have no proof in their life they still live in sin, they are not convicted when they sin. They are spiritually blind,,,,,,,,,, yet think they are saved!! I was exactly like that, I always thought I was saved I always believed, but my heart was far from the lord, I lived in sin, I was not changed, I was on my way to hell, like so many that sit in church every Sunday

 

[NBTT]

MT 7:21-23 is pretty scary.

 

[KingJ]

How do you know you are saved is the question. My preacher warns our assembly all the time, many of you think you are saved but actually are not. When I was living in sin I pretty much always thought I was saved.

So how do you know 100% you are saved?

I mean that is what its all about, we can debate all we want on this forum about doctrine and theology, but it really all boils down to making sure we are saved.

So how do you know 100% you are saved?

thanks
dave

God speaks to me and I can sense the Holy Spirit helping me stay on the straight and narrow.

These are signs that I am saved. Not special help that 'keeps' me saved.

Scripture confirms this.

John 10:27-28 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: ;And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

 

[KingJ]

Heaven will be full of forgiven people who know that they could never be good enough to be saved on their own.

There is a fine line here. On one hand you are correct, we cannot save ourselves as in 'qualify to be with God the father' in heaven. But on the other hand, we can with our repentance of sin, escape hell and be relegated to a paradise next to it. Important to clarify that as if we don't, we can lead people to think that God helps some get to heaven and does not help all. IE Touching on Calvinism.

I know I am saved because of the evidence in my life, because I have a new spirit, a new heart, I am a new creation in Christ Jesus. I know I am saved because I have new desires, I can look back and see I am a totally different person now.

Amen, agreed. You are able to resist sin a lot more easier.

Far to many people think they are saved but are not, they think they are good people, but the bible tells us no one is good except God. We use society standards of good, instead of Gods perfect Holy standard, that no make human can live up to, this is why we need Jesus!! saved people know this.

Oh my, no Dave.

1. We have the ability to know what is good and evil. Gen 3:22 is crystal clear on that.
2. We don't need Jesus to escape hell, we can do that ourselves. We need Jesus to make it into heaven.

Please try understand that if you teach that we cannot escape hell without Jesus, then you are touching on Calvinism.

Lots of people think they can confess with their mouth they believe, but their hearts of far from Jesus, they have no proof in their life they still live in sin, they are not convicted when they sin. They are spiritually blind,,,,,,,,,, yet think they are saved!! I was exactly like that, I always thought I was saved I always believed, but my heart was far from the lord, I lived in sin, I was not changed, I was on my way to hell, like so many that sit in church every Sunday

This is another fine line. One side is correct and the other is terribly incorrect.

It is impossible to call Jesus Lord and believe that he was raised from the dead and not be saved Rom 10:9. As this revelation of Jesus is given only by the Holy Sprit 1 Cor 12:3 after God judges the depths of our hearts and minds Jer 17:9-11 for sincerity of repentance of our sins Luke 5:32, psalm 51:17, Rev 3:20.

Rom 10:9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

This is why I always say that a 'true' atheist who claims to be an ex-Christian was never a Christian in the first place.

There is a world of difference between singing a song that says Jesus is Lord while placing your one foot in a church verse actually having a revelation from the Holy Spirit and being able to declare and believe it.

 

[KingJ]

Are you saved?? are you 100% sure? How so​

Another way to know we are saved, outside of hearing God talk to us John 10:27 and sensing the Holy Spirit's presence is examining ourselves.

2 Cor 3:15 Examine yourselves, to see whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Or do you not realize this about yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you? unless indeed you fail to meet the test!

When I examine myself, I look at the sins that I am still battling with. Christians in scripture never battled with mortal sins. I look at what good deeds I did for the Lord during the day. Christians will bear good fruit. I look at my addictions and consider if they are becoming a god that would make God jealous. A Christian should know that God is very jealous.

 

[NBTT]

One of the things God hates most is pride and ours is invisible to us.

 

[Dave M]

2. We don't need Jesus to escape hell, we can do that ourselves. We need Jesus to make it into heaven.

I can do nothing without Jesus!!

thanks for your replies will look over them some more later on

 

[farmerjoe]

I don't know if there was ever a person I've disagreed more with than the illustrious KingJerk...

He said...

We don't need Jesus to escape hell, we can do that ourselves. We need Jesus to make it into heaven.

“…bringing judgment on those who do not wish to know God and who refuse to accept his plan to save them through our Lord Jesus Christ. They will be punished in everlasting hell, forever separated from the Lord, never to see the glory of his power.”

 

[Sue J Love]

We know according to what the Scriptures teach us on the subject of salvation and eternal life with God, such as:

“And He was saying to them all, ‘If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross daily and follow Me. 24 For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake, he is the one who will save it. 25 For what is a man profited if he gains the whole world, and loses or forfeits himself? 26 For whoever is ashamed of Me and My words, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him when He comes in His glory, and the glory of the Father and of the holy angels.’” (Luke 9:23-26)

“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. 22 Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’” (Matthew 7:21-23)

 

[Dave M]

2. We don't need Jesus to escape hell, we can do that ourselves. We need Jesus to make it into heaven.

With out Jesus everyone goes to hell, it is our default setting.

 

[KingJ]

With out Jesus everyone goes to hell, it is our default setting.

That line sounds correct, but it is not scriptural and it is a Calvinistic line.

I know you are not a Calvinist, so not sure why you are saying this.

 

[KingJ]

I don't know if there was ever a person I've disagreed more with than the illustrious KingJerk...

You insult me quite the same as unsaved atheists do, are you sure you are saved?

He said...''We don't need Jesus to escape hell, we can do that ourselves. We need Jesus to make it into heaven.''

“…bringing judgment on those who do not wish to know God and who refuse to accept his plan to save them through our Lord Jesus Christ. They will be punished in everlasting hell, forever separated from the Lord, never to see the glory of his power.”

Just like the others here, you did not bother to properly read the post before you quoted a line in it.

The point was made that all before Jesus escaped the 'hellish' side of Hades by repenting of their sins and thereby got themselves into paradise / Abrahams bosom.

By disagreeing with my line it is crystal clear that you have the cart before the horse when it comes to salvation.

In Rev 3:20 it says 'Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with that person, and they with me'.

Try understand 1. This verse does not say Jesus barges in. It says we open the door and then He comes in. 2. Paradise is a nice place, certainly not a hell with fire, but it is not heaven or a place in God's presence.

Repentant sinners would never be placed in hell by God and nobody can get to heaven without Jesus. Escaping hell is not by default getting to heaven.

 

[KingJ]

“…bringing judgment on those who do not wish to know God and who refuse to accept his plan to save them through our Lord Jesus Christ. They will be punished in everlasting hell, forever separated from the Lord, never to see the glory of his power.”

This verse is correct and it agrees with my position. Note how it says 'they who refuse and do not wish to know' Jesus.

You need to try and understand 1. The timing and context of the verse and 2. What accepting Jesus entails.

It is 2 Thess 8:1-9. The NT is written after the death and resurrection of Jesus. Therefore, all who repent truly of their sins and are living in the NT qualify to immediately go to heaven. As such, for all in the NT, it is literally a case of ''accept Jesus or go to hell''.

As Christians we have to explain that accepting Jesus entails opening the door to Jesus Rev 3:20 / repenting of sins Luke 5:32.

If you don't, you could easily be leaving people with the impression that God is partial. Chooses who to save. This is why a Christian should always remind all that before the cross, God separated repentant sinners from unrepentant sinners by placing them in a paradise.

As such, we can correctly conclude that if Jesus never died and paid the price for our sins, not all would be suffering in the fires of hell. That is the point being made. To disagree with it is to push a Calvinistic / God is partial agenda. Which is terribly evil and a complete and utter misrepresentation of God and scripture.

The statement @Dave M made in post # 9 for example ''I can do nothing without Jesus!!', is therefore completely false.

 

[NBTT]

The statement @Dave M made in post # 9 for example ''I can do nothing without Jesus!!', is therefore completely false

What about JN 15:5?

 

[KingJ]

What about JN 15:5?

Context matters. In John 15:5 Jesus is speaking about abiding in Him to bear spiritual fruit. “Apart from me you can do nothing” refers to producing fruit that has eternal value, not the inability to do anything of value to Him, such as repenting of sin.

People clearly can repent, seek God, and respond to His call. Otherwise passages like Revelation 3:20 make no sense, where Jesus knocks and we open.

As I mentioned earlier, in the OT repentant sinners were separated from the wicked and placed in paradise or Abraham’s bosom. That itself shows repentance is a meaningful response. We can “do something” in responding to God. It did not grant heaven apart from Jesus, but it did demonstrate that God distinguishes between repentant and unrepentant sinners.

So yes, without Jesus we cannot attain heaven or bear lasting spiritual fruit, but that is very different from saying humans can do absolutely nothing or cannot even respond to God’s call.

 

[farmerjoe]

That line sounds correct, but it is not scriptural and it is a Calvinistic line.

I know you are not a Calvinist, so not sure why you are saying this.

That has ZERO to do with Calvinism.

 

[KingJ]

That has ZERO to do with Calvinism.

I take it you did not read post 14,15 and 17? Read those and you will see that it does.