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Are We Living in the End Times (About 100 Years or Less Left)?

  • Yes

    Votes: 60 75.9%
  • No

    Votes: 8 10.1%
  • Not Sure

    Votes: 11 13.9%

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I think there should be a fourth option, one that says, "No one knows" I'm a Preterist, I don't believe Revelation, atleast most of it is in our future. Revelation was fulfilled by 70 AD. There is no Rapture in the book. There is no 7 year Tribulation time period. Jesus did come back then, but not in any physical form and he will return sometime in our future. Jesus' coming in the first century was him coming in judgment, like God coming in judgment against Israel or Israel's enemies. In this case it was Jesus coming in judgment against those who crucified him, mainly the Jews of the first century.
 
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I think there should be a fourth option, one that says, "No one knows" I'm a Preterist, I don't believe Revelation, at least most of it is in our future. Revelation was fulfilled by 70 AD. There is no Rapture in the book. There is no 7 year Tribulation time period. Jesus did come back then, but not in any physical form and he will return sometime in our future. Jesus' coming in the first century was him coming in judgment, like God coming in judgment against Israel or Israel's enemies. In this case it was Jesus coming in judgment against those who crucified him, mainly the Jews of the first century.
Hi Bambi,

Just because the word Rapture is not in the Bible does not mean the event is not recorded in the Bible. It is.

Jesus' coming in the first century was him coming in judgment, like God coming in judgment against Israel or Israel's enemies. In this case it was Jesus coming in judgment against those who crucified him, mainly the Jews of the first century.
I don't know any verses in the Bible that backs up what you say, so I greatly disagree. This is entirely false. He has not judged the Earth yet and the 2nd coming riding on a white horse has yet to happen.

Revelation was fulfilled by 70 AD
So in other words you and I have been left behind and Jesus already came back, took the church, Armageddon has happened and Great White Throne judgment has happened. That's what you're basically saying.

I suggest you read some of these:
 
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Bambi -- how about the book of Daniel -- chapter 9: 27 -- the one week and the half week within that time frame. Each week being 7 years and the half week = 3 1/2 yrs. That sounds a Lot like the last 7 years are still coming -- 7 year tribulation period and the last 3 1/2 yrs. is the Great Tribulation. Yet in the future.

The rapture happens after the 7 churches are talked about. The setting the book changes with chapter 4.

Jesus Christ's coming was 1st as the baby in the manger. He died on the cross and rose again bodily and after 40 days ascended back up to the Father.

I'll refer you to what Chad has given in his # 42.

None of the events in Revelation have happened and they Will -- in the future. And That Future is getting closer and closer.
 
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There is no 7 year Tribulation time period
Bible says otherwise.

Here's a useful article that explains in practical terms.

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Many people say that there is a seven-year tribulation but there’s not one scripture to prove that. However, there are six specific scriptures that say the great tribulation will last for three and one half years. Let me give those scriptures to you. Daniel 7:25 says that the little horn (the Antichrist) will make war against the saints for time, times, and half a time. This is repeated several times throughout scripture as time being one year, times two years, and half a time being half a year. We know that for sure because the exact same prophecy is in Revelation 13:5, there it says power was given to the beast to continue 42 months. So it says he would continue for three and a half years, a time, times, and half a time. In Revelation 13:5 it says that he will make war against the saints for 42 months. Then in Revelation 12:5-6 it says that the dragon made war against the woman Israel for 1,260 days; that’s also three and a half years. All these passages are describing the length of the time of the great tribulation. Finally, Jesus said in Matthew 24:15 that when you see the Abomination of Desolation, let those which be in Judaea flee because then shall there be great tribulation such as never has been before, nor ever again shall be. So Jesus said the Abomination of Desolation is the event that will trigger the great tribulation. We know from Daniel 9:27 that the Abomination of Desolation will occur halfway through the final seven year period called Daniel’s 70th week. There is a seven-year period called Daniel’s 70th week, described in Daniel 9:27. But the Abomination of Desolation occurs in the middle of that seven-year period, and Jesus said that’s the event that triggers the Great Tribulation. So the first three and a half years of Daniel’s 70th week will not be great tribulation at all, it doesn’t start until the halfway point.

source: Is There a Seven-Year Tribulation?
 
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Hi Bambi,

Just because the word Rapture is not in the Bible does not mean the event is not recorded in the Bible. It is.



I don't know any verses in the Bible that backs up what you say, so I greatly disagree. This is entirely false. He has not judged the Earth yet and the 2nd coming riding on a white horse has yet to happen.



So in other words you and I have been left behind and Jesus already came back, took the church, Armageddon has happened and Great White Throne judgment has happened. That's what you're basically saying.

I suggest you read some of these:
You should read what the words mean in scripture. Revelation isn't about the entire world, it's about the Roman Empire. Luke 2:1, the word, world in that verse isn't refering to the entire world, it is only referring to the Roman Empire. That same Greek word is used in Revelaion 3 times, 3:10, 12:9, and 16:14.

The Rapture is not found in Revelation, nor is it's version found in scripture. The Resurrection is found in scripture. Some people mistake the idea that in Thessalonians 4:16 that the church will be carried away, but that is not so. This passage is the resurrection. In verse 17 it uses the word meet, you do it when you have a special friend coming to your home to see you. You would go out of your home and welcome them and then return into your home. This is the Second coming of Christ. Chirst comes to earth to be with us forever. According to the angels in Acts chapter one, we will see Christ in the same way as he left. He was not riding a horse when he left nor was he with an army. In the gospels Jesus talks about his coming(in judgment) with his angels. The passages in the Gospel and the passage in Revelation is about Christ coming in judgment against those who crucified him.

No one has been left behind and the 3 1/2 years tribualtion has already happened. Jesus will return, we will be resurrected, be given new bodies. The sheep and goats will be divided. And death shall be no more.
 
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Bambi -- I don't know What world you're living in -- I'm 70 and there's been no 3 1/2 yrs. of Great Tribulation, yet. There Is a great deal of tribulation taking place all over this world. But according to Scripture -- in Revelation -- the coming seven years are when God deals once again with the Jewish people who have so far rejected Him as their Promised Messiah.

There is No world-leader as of yet.

According to all the bowls and such -- this world hasn't seen Anything really bad -- God's Wrath is yet to come. But Not for the Church -- born-again believers.

The Church is Still here. No one has been left behind cause no one's been gathered up to meet Jesus in the air, yet.

Christ Will come to this earth bodily and will reign for 1,000 yrs. After the 7 yrs. of tribulation and the Great Tribulation.
 
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Bambi -- I don't know What world you're living in -- I'm 70 and there's been no 3 1/2 yrs. of Great Tribulation, yet. There Is a great deal of tribulation taking place all over this world. But according to Scripture -- in Revelation -- the coming seven years are when God deals once again with the Jewish people who have so far rejected Him as their Promised Messiah.

There is No world-leader as of yet.

According to all the bowls and such -- this world hasn't seen Anything really bad -- God's Wrath is yet to come. But Not for the Church -- born-again believers.

The Church is Still here. No one has been left behind cause no one's been gathered up to meet Jesus in the air, yet.

Christ Will come to this earth bodily and will reign for 1,000 yrs. After the 7 yrs. of tribulation and the Great Tribulation.
Where in Revelation does it talk about 7 years?
 
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Bambi -- as has already been stated -- it's talked about in the book of Daniel chapter 9-- however, I just relocated where some of the events Of that time are talked about.

For instance chapter 7 talks about the 144,000 of Israel sealed. 12,000 from each of the tribes -- vs 14 "I said to Him, "Sir, you know. And he said to me, "These are the ones coming out of the great tribulation." vs 9 is where that section starts. Multitudes from all over the world come to Christ.
 
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Bambi -- as has already been stated -- it's talked about in the book of Daniel chapter 9-- however, I just relocated where some of the events Of that time are talked about.

For instance chapter 7 talks about the 144,000 of Israel sealed. 12,000 from each of the tribes -- vs 14 "I said to Him, "Sir, you know. And he said to me, "These are the ones coming out of the great tribulation." vs 9 is where that section starts. Multitudes from all over the world come to Christ.
The 70th week of Daniel has nothing to do with Revelation. The 70th week starts at the beginning of Christ's ministry. In the middle of the week is the cross when Christ is given a false trial with false witnesses. Look up the abomination and you find in the book of Proverbs verses about abominations that were done to Christ during his trial and crucifixation. The he in Daniel 9:27 is the Messiah. He is the main person talked about in the prophecy. The prince that many people say is the he, isn't even a subject in a verse. Using basic English you find the subject of the 70 weeks is about the Messiah. In the middle of the 70th week, sacrifices and oblations cease. When Christ died, the veil was torn in two. Indicating that sacrifices were no longer needed. Yes the Jews continued doing the sacrifices, but they weren't necessary. In Hebrews it talks about the old covenant ending, Mosaic covenant. When Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 AD that was, as one would say, the finally nail in the coffin.

In Chapter 1 of Revelation it says in verse 1 that these things must shortly come to pass, verse 3 for the time is at hand. Which means these things had to have happen very quickly. 2000 years isn't very quickly.
Revelation 1 King James Version (KJV)
1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.
3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.
 
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I can see that we're headed around and round in circles regarding the 70th week being in the future. It's been stated and I'll leave it at that.

There is Also the verse that says that a day is like a thousand years and a thousand years as a day. Regarding your comment about 2,000 years.

The interpretation you hold to is one I've heard before. I've also heard an explanation as to why that isn't so. But I don't know enough details to discuss it more.

Someone else will probably get into this conversation.
 
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We have not yet equaled the times of Noah. As far as I know no babies are being sacrificed to volcanic lava lakes, but maybe so. We have not yet seen on TV an image of the Beast statue speaking "great things" that challenge holy God. Well, I haven't kept up with the latest proclamations of the Demoncrats, so might be a little behind. What is the end extreme that Noah faced? We don't know the intensity level. Earlier generations before us would not even mentally conceive their next pastor would be a homosexual. I witnessed that dilemma in a very evangelical Methodist church here, their new pastor welcoming all types of perverts who are publically demonstrating their physical attractions. That congregation has dwindled from over 300 to about 25 saints who just can't abandon their childhood refuge. How God weighs such things has to do with when He sends Jesus back, no doubt to me. Considering how often and much that Christians have suffered persecutions, along with those of Jews, makes it very much more difficult to predict the long suffering of God. He is far more liberal with grace than any of us.

A sure sign you have missed the opportunity to bypass the great judgment of the tribulation is if you see Israel take up the ministry of the Church. I estimate we are now at the brink of Rev 5:14, even though the Church has been holding there all along. The Church tries to see the end as eminent, while God is not confined to time. Like a burglar coming, the next phase will happen when least expecting. LEAST expecting! Maybe that is the moment when the Church stops expecting?
Dove, How much more bad could it get today? I look around & see wow, times have really gone down hill. Children having babies! I just wait & watch for a pre trib rapture or the Lord Jesus my Savior calls me home. my wife & I talk about how bad things are going. Unreal how fast things are moving. These last few US presidents were the pits as well. I was always a Democrat till Trump came on the scene. I myself could not afford Clinton. Yet I look at all the rumors of war. Just have to keep in mind, God is still in control. God Bless.
 

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