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Are We Living in the End Times (About 100 Years or Less Left)?

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I think there should be a fourth option, one that says, "No one knows" I'm a Preterist, I don't believe Revelation, atleast most of it is in our future. Revelation was fulfilled by 70 AD. There is no Rapture in the book. There is no 7 year Tribulation time period. Jesus did come back then, but not in any physical form and he will return sometime in our future. Jesus' coming in the first century was him coming in judgment, like God coming in judgment against Israel or Israel's enemies. In this case it was Jesus coming in judgment against those who crucified him, mainly the Jews of the first century.
 
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I think there should be a fourth option, one that says, "No one knows" I'm a Preterist, I don't believe Revelation, at least most of it is in our future. Revelation was fulfilled by 70 AD. There is no Rapture in the book. There is no 7 year Tribulation time period. Jesus did come back then, but not in any physical form and he will return sometime in our future. Jesus' coming in the first century was him coming in judgment, like God coming in judgment against Israel or Israel's enemies. In this case it was Jesus coming in judgment against those who crucified him, mainly the Jews of the first century.
Hi Bambi,

Just because the word Rapture is not in the Bible does not mean the event is not recorded in the Bible. It is.

Jesus' coming in the first century was him coming in judgment, like God coming in judgment against Israel or Israel's enemies. In this case it was Jesus coming in judgment against those who crucified him, mainly the Jews of the first century.
I don't know any verses in the Bible that backs up what you say, so I greatly disagree. This is entirely false. He has not judged the Earth yet and the 2nd coming riding on a white horse has yet to happen.

Revelation was fulfilled by 70 AD
So in other words you and I have been left behind and Jesus already came back, took the church, Armageddon has happened and Great White Throne judgment has happened. That's what you're basically saying.

I suggest you read some of these:
 
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Bambi -- how about the book of Daniel -- chapter 9: 27 -- the one week and the half week within that time frame. Each week being 7 years and the half week = 3 1/2 yrs. That sounds a Lot like the last 7 years are still coming -- 7 year tribulation period and the last 3 1/2 yrs. is the Great Tribulation. Yet in the future.

The rapture happens after the 7 churches are talked about. The setting the book changes with chapter 4.

Jesus Christ's coming was 1st as the baby in the manger. He died on the cross and rose again bodily and after 40 days ascended back up to the Father.

I'll refer you to what Chad has given in his # 42.

None of the events in Revelation have happened and they Will -- in the future. And That Future is getting closer and closer.
 
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There is no 7 year Tribulation time period
Bible says otherwise.

Here's a useful article that explains in practical terms.

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Many people say that there is a seven-year tribulation but there’s not one scripture to prove that. However, there are six specific scriptures that say the great tribulation will last for three and one half years. Let me give those scriptures to you. Daniel 7:25 says that the little horn (the Antichrist) will make war against the saints for time, times, and half a time. This is repeated several times throughout scripture as time being one year, times two years, and half a time being half a year. We know that for sure because the exact same prophecy is in Revelation 13:5, there it says power was given to the beast to continue 42 months. So it says he would continue for three and a half years, a time, times, and half a time. In Revelation 13:5 it says that he will make war against the saints for 42 months. Then in Revelation 12:5-6 it says that the dragon made war against the woman Israel for 1,260 days; that’s also three and a half years. All these passages are describing the length of the time of the great tribulation. Finally, Jesus said in Matthew 24:15 that when you see the Abomination of Desolation, let those which be in Judaea flee because then shall there be great tribulation such as never has been before, nor ever again shall be. So Jesus said the Abomination of Desolation is the event that will trigger the great tribulation. We know from Daniel 9:27 that the Abomination of Desolation will occur halfway through the final seven year period called Daniel’s 70th week. There is a seven-year period called Daniel’s 70th week, described in Daniel 9:27. But the Abomination of Desolation occurs in the middle of that seven-year period, and Jesus said that’s the event that triggers the Great Tribulation. So the first three and a half years of Daniel’s 70th week will not be great tribulation at all, it doesn’t start until the halfway point.

source: Is There a Seven-Year Tribulation?
 
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Hi Bambi,

Just because the word Rapture is not in the Bible does not mean the event is not recorded in the Bible. It is.



I don't know any verses in the Bible that backs up what you say, so I greatly disagree. This is entirely false. He has not judged the Earth yet and the 2nd coming riding on a white horse has yet to happen.



So in other words you and I have been left behind and Jesus already came back, took the church, Armageddon has happened and Great White Throne judgment has happened. That's what you're basically saying.

I suggest you read some of these:
You should read what the words mean in scripture. Revelation isn't about the entire world, it's about the Roman Empire. Luke 2:1, the word, world in that verse isn't refering to the entire world, it is only referring to the Roman Empire. That same Greek word is used in Revelaion 3 times, 3:10, 12:9, and 16:14.

The Rapture is not found in Revelation, nor is it's version found in scripture. The Resurrection is found in scripture. Some people mistake the idea that in Thessalonians 4:16 that the church will be carried away, but that is not so. This passage is the resurrection. In verse 17 it uses the word meet, you do it when you have a special friend coming to your home to see you. You would go out of your home and welcome them and then return into your home. This is the Second coming of Christ. Chirst comes to earth to be with us forever. According to the angels in Acts chapter one, we will see Christ in the same way as he left. He was not riding a horse when he left nor was he with an army. In the gospels Jesus talks about his coming(in judgment) with his angels. The passages in the Gospel and the passage in Revelation is about Christ coming in judgment against those who crucified him.

No one has been left behind and the 3 1/2 years tribualtion has already happened. Jesus will return, we will be resurrected, be given new bodies. The sheep and goats will be divided. And death shall be no more.
 
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Bambi -- I don't know What world you're living in -- I'm 70 and there's been no 3 1/2 yrs. of Great Tribulation, yet. There Is a great deal of tribulation taking place all over this world. But according to Scripture -- in Revelation -- the coming seven years are when God deals once again with the Jewish people who have so far rejected Him as their Promised Messiah.

There is No world-leader as of yet.

According to all the bowls and such -- this world hasn't seen Anything really bad -- God's Wrath is yet to come. But Not for the Church -- born-again believers.

The Church is Still here. No one has been left behind cause no one's been gathered up to meet Jesus in the air, yet.

Christ Will come to this earth bodily and will reign for 1,000 yrs. After the 7 yrs. of tribulation and the Great Tribulation.
 
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Bambi -- I don't know What world you're living in -- I'm 70 and there's been no 3 1/2 yrs. of Great Tribulation, yet. There Is a great deal of tribulation taking place all over this world. But according to Scripture -- in Revelation -- the coming seven years are when God deals once again with the Jewish people who have so far rejected Him as their Promised Messiah.

There is No world-leader as of yet.

According to all the bowls and such -- this world hasn't seen Anything really bad -- God's Wrath is yet to come. But Not for the Church -- born-again believers.

The Church is Still here. No one has been left behind cause no one's been gathered up to meet Jesus in the air, yet.

Christ Will come to this earth bodily and will reign for 1,000 yrs. After the 7 yrs. of tribulation and the Great Tribulation.
Where in Revelation does it talk about 7 years?
 
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Bambi -- as has already been stated -- it's talked about in the book of Daniel chapter 9-- however, I just relocated where some of the events Of that time are talked about.

For instance chapter 7 talks about the 144,000 of Israel sealed. 12,000 from each of the tribes -- vs 14 "I said to Him, "Sir, you know. And he said to me, "These are the ones coming out of the great tribulation." vs 9 is where that section starts. Multitudes from all over the world come to Christ.
 
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Bambi -- as has already been stated -- it's talked about in the book of Daniel chapter 9-- however, I just relocated where some of the events Of that time are talked about.

For instance chapter 7 talks about the 144,000 of Israel sealed. 12,000 from each of the tribes -- vs 14 "I said to Him, "Sir, you know. And he said to me, "These are the ones coming out of the great tribulation." vs 9 is where that section starts. Multitudes from all over the world come to Christ.
The 70th week of Daniel has nothing to do with Revelation. The 70th week starts at the beginning of Christ's ministry. In the middle of the week is the cross when Christ is given a false trial with false witnesses. Look up the abomination and you find in the book of Proverbs verses about abominations that were done to Christ during his trial and crucifixation. The he in Daniel 9:27 is the Messiah. He is the main person talked about in the prophecy. The prince that many people say is the he, isn't even a subject in a verse. Using basic English you find the subject of the 70 weeks is about the Messiah. In the middle of the 70th week, sacrifices and oblations cease. When Christ died, the veil was torn in two. Indicating that sacrifices were no longer needed. Yes the Jews continued doing the sacrifices, but they weren't necessary. In Hebrews it talks about the old covenant ending, Mosaic covenant. When Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 AD that was, as one would say, the finally nail in the coffin.

In Chapter 1 of Revelation it says in verse 1 that these things must shortly come to pass, verse 3 for the time is at hand. Which means these things had to have happen very quickly. 2000 years isn't very quickly.
Revelation 1 King James Version (KJV)
1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.
3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.
 
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I can see that we're headed around and round in circles regarding the 70th week being in the future. It's been stated and I'll leave it at that.

There is Also the verse that says that a day is like a thousand years and a thousand years as a day. Regarding your comment about 2,000 years.

The interpretation you hold to is one I've heard before. I've also heard an explanation as to why that isn't so. But I don't know enough details to discuss it more.

Someone else will probably get into this conversation.
 
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We have not yet equaled the times of Noah. As far as I know no babies are being sacrificed to volcanic lava lakes, but maybe so. We have not yet seen on TV an image of the Beast statue speaking "great things" that challenge holy God. Well, I haven't kept up with the latest proclamations of the Demoncrats, so might be a little behind. What is the end extreme that Noah faced? We don't know the intensity level. Earlier generations before us would not even mentally conceive their next pastor would be a homosexual. I witnessed that dilemma in a very evangelical Methodist church here, their new pastor welcoming all types of perverts who are publically demonstrating their physical attractions. That congregation has dwindled from over 300 to about 25 saints who just can't abandon their childhood refuge. How God weighs such things has to do with when He sends Jesus back, no doubt to me. Considering how often and much that Christians have suffered persecutions, along with those of Jews, makes it very much more difficult to predict the long suffering of God. He is far more liberal with grace than any of us.

A sure sign you have missed the opportunity to bypass the great judgment of the tribulation is if you see Israel take up the ministry of the Church. I estimate we are now at the brink of Rev 5:14, even though the Church has been holding there all along. The Church tries to see the end as eminent, while God is not confined to time. Like a burglar coming, the next phase will happen when least expecting. LEAST expecting! Maybe that is the moment when the Church stops expecting?
Dove, How much more bad could it get today? I look around & see wow, times have really gone down hill. Children having babies! I just wait & watch for a pre trib rapture or the Lord Jesus my Savior calls me home. my wife & I talk about how bad things are going. Unreal how fast things are moving. These last few US presidents were the pits as well. I was always a Democrat till Trump came on the scene. I myself could not afford Clinton. Yet I look at all the rumors of war. Just have to keep in mind, God is still in control. God Bless.
 
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I can see that we're headed around and round in circles regarding the 70th week being in the future. It's been stated and I'll leave it at that.

There is Also the verse that says that a day is like a thousand years and a thousand years as a day. Regarding your comment about 2,000 years.

The interpretation you hold to is one I've heard before. I've also heard an explanation as to why that isn't so. But I don't know enough details to discuss it more.

Someone else will probably get into this conversation.
The Scriptures speak for themselves. It interpreters itself. Read it and have faith and as Paul tells us throughout his writings we have what we need to await the Rapture of the Body.
 
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You keep talking about the USA as if it mattered at all. Don't you recall the 70 weeks are about Israel? They have pretty much nothing to do with USA, European Union (before it can become a real tyrannical empire a la ancient Rome), Arabia or my own country. Still, it mentions stuff about Tarsis in Ezekiel 27 and 38 and Isaiah 60:9 and 66:19 (and Jeremiah 31 indirectly mentioned as coasts or islands) if I remember clearly.

Keep in mind what it is written in Mark 4:11, Romans 11:25 and 16:25-26 and 1st Corinthians 2:7, they all talk about the mystery of the Kingdom of God. The foundation of the Church was a mystery for Jews and their inability to understand this truth, the same that ignited the interest in saving souls of every single corner of the earth, was compared to the veil that Moses had to wear to hide his glorified face from Hebrews that could not stand it. If they had read Ecclesiastes spiritually, they would have noticed the Messiah was expected to be a Preacher and not just an earthly king as they wanted.

The Church is an interruption, an impasse, but it is destined to disappear from the world after Israel had returned to Canaan. When would this ever happen? We don't know, it could even be on Saturday or in winter... or on any other day or season.

If Americans complain about their government and schools and even some so called churches, why don't you look at other countries as well? It's not about what happens locally but worldwide. Sadly, my testimony corcening my country Costa Rica, yeah, a developing country, is terrifying! Our latest president is an atheist, he dared to confirm it! Still, he visits a Catholic basilica to attend to some mass on special days or occasions. He keeps signing decrees and laws treating "diversity" as a good thing when we already know it's an abomination. The ministry of public education now included some weird sex class with dubious materials for teachers, established the unisex uniform for kindergarden students, makes schoolers watch homo movies, and also signed an agreement of cooperation with Cuba in regards of (dual) education. Our congressmen and congresswomen might visit the Cuban parliament at some point in the near future to learn from them... Justice has become a joke, a criminal might have robbed, hit, stabbed or killed many people that it doesn't matter! They get electronic bracelets or anklets and keep committing those very same crimes over and over again. Even drug dealers might get released or found not guilty by judges just because! Corruption and impunity are the norm here. These only started to become such a mess when the PAC won the elections in 2014 and again in 2018. Stuff just keep getting uglier and uglier. (By the way, PAC really looks like a so called socialist party...)

If a small country can't deal with the world even if it doesn't have to send any army to the Middle East or anywhere else to solve any conflicts, don't expect large countries like USA might be able to revert all the evil deeds that are killing our democracies.

If that's the perfect world that a previous forumer was talking about, where's Our Lord and his army of saints now? When did the Church vanish leaving the heathen perplex? The Rapture has not taking place, nor the Church Age has not ended, yet. So we should not question the Rapture like some did here and on other websites. The Rapture is a blessed hope for Christians of the last 2000 years! Don't steal it from us by preaching a fake gospel! (Not implying that a previous forumer really intended to fool us, but I know that every so often one nefarious guy or girl shows up anywhere to spread lies to deceive us if possible.)
 
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Hi SleepyEdwin

I happen to agree with you -- I'm pretty sure , anyway.

This country USA is Not mentioned at all . Whether it's because our borders end up disappearing and 'we' become part of some larger entity , it's hard telling. But that's what we're heading towards.

And, yes, the 70th week Is about Israel. Their second chance given to them by God. The body of believers known as the Church won't be here any longer. 'we' will be up and out of here safely with Jesus Christ.

The Church Would be a mystery to the Jewish world because they don't -- as a group-- accept Jesus Christ as their Promised Messiah. The Church came into being in the New Testament as the result of the bodily resurrection of Jesus.

Curious -- you commented about reading the book of Ecclesiasties 'spiritually'. How does a person read 'spiritually'? Are you referring to a person who is a born-again believer having more understanding of Scripture as a result of the Holy Spirit's indwelling -- giving a person more understanding of it?

You Also commented about the Church being an interruption -- an empasse. Well -- the Jews Are returning to Israel -- their promised land. And when Jesus Christ Does return to this earth for His 1,000 yr reign it will be from Jerusalem. And believers Will be reigning with Him.

All I know about Costa Rica is that it's a popular tourist location. It's a beautiful country.

I Do know about Puerto Rico --my brother lives there. That country is a horrible mess. Some incompetent leadership.

A corrupt legal system -- justice being a joke. That's sort of all over the place.

Our present President is Trying to do something Positive about it. Our own political system is a mess. But all of this is simply the signs of the end times being here - 'right around the corner'. God's Word says it's only going to get worse and worse. And sometimes it's hard to believe that God Is Still In Control. But He is. His timing - not ours.

This country -- the USA Tries to help everyone else with their problems. But it can't be everyone's Mother.

I happen to agree completely with your last paragraph. And most of the rest of your post.
 
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Even if priests might already know about their nation's need for salvation (viewed from a strange perspective I must add), every religious Jew do think they need another David or some might even believe David himself will be resurrected to reign once again by misinterpreting a passage. They just care about an earthly king, a political figure and the authorization to execute His Will like in ancient times when they waged war every so often. One might even conclude they are not looking for justice but plain revenge. The Lord says revenge is His...

Then there's their lack of trust in God's Word because they still think their deeds are worthy of rewards, even if they should have listen to the prophet who clearly stated that a man's works are filthy rags for Him.

Plus, the kind of preaching they will listen to should be full of political statements instead of spiritual truths. Otherwise they would have listened to the Lord and His Apostles long time ago. They are also used to think blessings should be mainly physical like money, goods, properties. Ask them to remain relatively poor and they won't accept it in most cases. So all of these defects and blessings hinder them from opening their spiritual eyes and repenting... I do hope the Messianic Jews and similar groups can make a difference there, but it will be hard for them or anybody else to bring them back to the Lord.

The so called gentiles aren't any better, it just happens that they might end up involved in all kinds of harsh conditions, trying to survive another day. One would like to expect those people would accept the Gospel in a matter of minutes or days. The truth is that I know several towns or communities in my country that are extremely poor and only get close to a local church when they need notebooks or uniforms or shoes or food, later on you can visit their neighborhood and not even then they wanna show up in services or Bible studies. Or like a man that suffered an accident and got his leg broken severely, he slipped in only to ask everyone to pray for him. Once he underwent the surgeries and could work once again, he disappeared. Even us believers got to say that we go through times when we don't appreciate his blessings. Even I forget how much He has loved me by saving me from car accidents because I didn't see a car was drawing near or the driver didn't care about my well-being and yelled at me as if the red light told them to keep driving as if they were the only people around.

According to some article or post found here on the website, many Jews stayed in Babylon after they were called to rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem. But how do modern Jews expect not to be punished if some of them now pretend to share their promised land with the Palestinian that strive for expelling them from Canaan? Some people even marry Muslims! Doesn't it sound like Canaanite customs to you? If the Jews blatantly state they got faith in JHWH, then why do they keep doing the very same things that enrage our Lord?
 
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That's a very complicated issue.

As a group -- the Jews have Not accepted Jesus Christ as their Promised Messiah. They are still Waiting for Him to appear. Some Do accept Him. I think they're called Messianic Jews.

I'm a 'so-called' Gentile -- but living in the USA. We have our own set of problems. But 'this' Gentile, Me, is planning to be taken up in the rapture Before the really bad stuff is happening. Meaning before the 7 yrs. begins. Most of the Gentiles I know are expecting the same thing.
 
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Good for you and all of us that wanna fight against the flesh! May the Lord help us! But I don't like the term gentiles because it sounds like an understatement of non Jews' faith in Him. Gladly the Apostle Paul made it clear that believers from all nations are equal before the Lord. Let's keep in mind that most of us, except those living in the Middle East, have not gone through a phase of persecutions, some might never experience that, but it's one of the signs before the Day if the Lord comes. No matter whether or not the Lord wants us to live in such an epoch, we should be ready for anything and ask the Lord not to disappoint Him by accusing fellow believers as He warned us! Remember what they say about torture, it is a practice that can make almost anyone confess even stuff they haven't ever done or believed! So those that are called to become martyrs stay firm in the blessed hope that nothing humans can do against us can be compared to what the world will experience during the Tribulation for dying for the Gospel as our Lord did is an honor!
 
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Are we living in the 'end-time' the answer is Yes, 100% Yes, Jesus confirmed this, so did the disciples. We have been in the end-times for 2000 years.

The question should maybe have been are we living in the 'latter-days' of the end times, again the answer is Yes 100% though some may thing not.

Firstly we should not look for when Jesus will return, all the warnings confirm we should be ready. Read the parable of the Ten Virgins, Matthew 25, the message is clear, be ready the Bridegroom is coming for His Bride.

How can we be sure we are in the latter-days of the end time, look at prophesy.

In these times there will be...
  • - Wars and Rumours of wars.
  • - Increase in earthquakes and pstilences
  • - There will be an headening of hearts
  • - There will be an increase in wickedness
  • - Man will go with man and woman with woman
  • - Children will be disobedient with their parents
  • - As the days of Noah were - read about the sins, the Godlessness of these times, Sodom and Gomorrah!
All these things are clear to see today, more than ever before, time is running out!

If these are not enough look at more prophesies.
- In the end times there will be a massive increase in travel and education.

If you are still not convinced take note
- The Jews will return back to the promised land
- On 15th May 1948, Israel was re-born, Israel was declared a state again and Jews have returned every year since then

This latter prophesy is key to the others, together they show the true picture, God is working out His will in the world.
We are in the latter days of the End times, there isn't much time left, the Parable of the Virgins is also very clear, be right with God, be ready.

We must be Born-Again, we must have received the Holy Spirit, we must have confirmed out faith with our lips (and mean what we say in our heart)

If Jesus returned in Great Glory tonight, would you be truly ready, tomorrow would be to late!

Jesus will return for 'His Bride' the church, not the building, His one true church, is baptised born again believers who have accepted Jesus into their hearts and lives.

When we say, O Come Lord Jesus we have to mean Now, we have to be ready, He could come now, tonight, tomorrow, next week.

Prophesy confirm The Word, Prophesy confirms the Will of God, he says, when prophesy is fulfilled people will know God said it would, Look again at some of the latter day prophesies above, it is clear to see they are here Now!
  • - Wars and Rumours of wars.
  • - Increase in earthquakes and pstilences
  • - There will be an headening of hearts
  • - There will be an increase in wickedness
  • - Man will go with man and woman with woman
  • - Children will be disobedient with their parents
  • - In the end times there will be a massive increase 1n travel and education.
  • - As the days of Noah were - read about the sins, the Godlessness of these times, Sodom and Gomorrah!
  • - The Jews will return back to the promised land
    - On 15th May 1948, Israel was re-born, Israel was declared a State again and Jews have returned every year since then

These are just a few of the prophesies. We don't need to know the day and the hour Christ will return, prophesy shows it is near, the Gospels emphasise
'BE READY' - No one knows the 'Day' or 'The Hour'
 
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Agree with all of that Except the part of baptism being required for every born-again believer. There have been kids, teens who accept Jesus Christ as their personal Savior but who's parents won't allow them To be baptized. The parents are of a persuasion that since they were sprinkled as infants that baptism by immersion is Not needed. They were told that if, when they are 18 , they want to be baptized that they are free to. This Did happen to a young teen who was visiting her Grandparents during summer time , was taken to their church and she Did accept Christ as her Savior. She asked her parents, who were of another belief system. if she could be baptized. They refused and moved away so the young person could not be visiting the Grandparents any more. She was told that when she turned 18 , she was then an adult and could make that decision on her own.

Wanting to identify yourself with other believers is probably a natural thing as a result Of your salvation. And we Should do so -- if it is possible. But sometimes it simply isn't. A death bed conversion -- being in a plane crash or car wreck. Some situations that would make a person wait for a while== that person is Still born-again whether they have been baptized or not.

Yes, absolutely -- be spiritually ready for the rapture of the Church / body of born-again believers.
 
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Even so it's been a wide spread myth to think people will get a chance to repent right before they pass away. People should know that those that rejected Him for most of their lives will get their hearts hardened, it'll be a true miracle if anybody could get saved by that moment. The moment to be born again I'd now that no (serious) illness prevents them from repenting. Recall people will even dare to utter blasphemous words while the Tribulation (especially during the second part) against God for the punishment will be quite severe, and they will know the Lord does exist and is the Creator. Be careful and don't wait till everything gets ugly to see if you will get any chance to accept the Lord as your Savior!

There's another sign he forgot to include, nations will speak about peace and safety! Guess what? Bush Sr and Jr, Obama and even politicians like Mike Pompeo have uttered such promises or compromises in the last few decades! As we already know, the world doesn't know what true peace and safety actually are for they don't know the Lord Jesus Christ. Sadly, they are already thinking about their own "strong leader" or the antichrist.
 
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