Are the Gifts of the Spirit Still for Today? — Tongues, Power, and the Proof of Salvation

[Gerbolski]

Many people do not like having their names mentioned on websites, especially ones they do not know.

 

[Gerbolski]

And even if I told you the name, you would have no clue of who this person is.

 

[Gerbolski]

Medicbravo, are you one that believes that tongues have already ceased a long time ago, when the last book of the bible was finished being written ? Or do you believe something else ?

On my part of course I do not believe they have ceased, and are still for today.

 

[Gerbolski]

Right.
"A Christian guy that I know" - It's ALWAYS someone someone else knows. No name is given as no evidence.
In a church of English only speakers is makes NO sense for someone to "suddenly speak a non-English language no one knows" and that the person does not know.

It is not about what makes sense to us or not, it is about what God says, and an unknown tongue that no man knows, is not wrong for it is in the bible, and it being interpreted is not wrong, because it talks about interpretation of unknown tongues.

It is either we believe the bible or we do not, or we interpret it to our liking what fits us.

 

[Gerbolski]

There is no miracle in me translating a word from French to English, believers and unbelievers alike do that.

Non believers do not walk in the gifts of the Spirit, but the gifts of the Spirit is for the church.

1Co 14:13
(13) Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.

It is an unknown tongue that needs interpretation.

 

[Bill]

May Jesus fill us with his love and wisdom.

When it comes to tongues. In my opinion it is probably the least of the gifts. Even Paul talks about striving for the greater gifts.

Do I need to have tongues to praise God for his glory? The gift is its own thing. To be quite honest with you I think people who speak in tongues I would probably be speaking in tongues on my own without having to have others hearing it. The question that I have is who does it serve when you're speaking tongues are you serving God by speaking in front of a crowd? Or are you serving yourself trying to lift yourself up because you're showing off the fact that you can speak in tongues.

 

[Gerbolski]

May Jesus fill us with his love and wisdom.

When it comes to tongues. In my opinion it is probably the least of the gifts. Even Paul talks about striving for the greater gifts.

Do I need to have tongues to praise God for his glory? The gift is its own thing. To be quite honest with you I think people who speak in tongues I would probably be speaking in tongues on my own without having to have others hearing it. The question that I have is who does it serve when you're speaking tongues are you serving God by speaking in front of a crowd? Or are you serving yourself trying to lift yourself up because you're showing off the fact that you can speak in tongues.

Well it is important that people seek the best gifts of course.

And tongues in and of itself , does edify the person.

1Co 14:4
(4) He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.

And concerning myself, I do not speak in tongues very much in the church.

1Co 14:28
(28) But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

It is not wrong to speak in tongues to were it is to one self and to God, that is not a selfish thing, nor is it selfish to speak in tongues to were it edifies oneself, but what would be selfish, is to not edify the body, that is why there must be balance.

In reality we all need to be edified.

We cannot judge the motives of others, by the speaking in tongues all by itself, but surely there are some who do things in a selfish way, and who may want to show off, and not want to edify others through their normal language.

In the assembly I pray more in English than I do in tongues, which is not too often.

But in and of itself it is not wrong, otherwise God would not have given it.

 

[Bill]

Well it is important that people seek the best gifts of course.

And tongues in and of itself , does edify the person.

1Co 14:4
(4) He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.

And concerning myself, I do not speak in tongues very much in the church.

1Co 14:28
(28) But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

It is not wrong to speak in tongues to were it is to one self and to God, that is not a selfish thing, nor is it selfish to speak in tongues to were it edifies oneself, but what would be selfish, is to not edify the body, that is why there must be balance.

In reality we all need to be edified.

We cannot judge the motives of others, by the speaking in tongues all by itself, but surely there are some who do things in a selfish way, and who may want to show off, and not want to edify others through their normal language.

In the assembly I pray more in English than I do in tongues, which is not too often.

But in and of itself it is not wrong, otherwise God would not have given it.

May Jesus fill us with his love and wisdom ,

I think of tongues as something that you would do in private versus in public unless the Lord directs you to do it in public.

 

[Gerbolski]

May Jesus fill us with his love and wisdom ,

I think of tongues as something that you would do in private versus in public unless the Lord directs you to do it in public.

Ya I totally understand why someone would think of it that way.

If someone wants to only do so privately that is their prerogative, and I can understand that.


1Co 14:28
(28) But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

1Co 14:15
(15) What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

The thing were we have to be careful, is in not quenching the Spirit.

No doubt, speaking to oneself and to God does refer to doing so in the church, because that is the context.

And then there is singing in the spirit, nowhere does it say singing in the spirit needs interpretation.

My former Scottish pastor, once was at a service, to were in that specific moment, all began to sing in tongues, and all were singing the exact tongues, and all were in sink, and he told me they felt the Spirit in a big way, but it was done not all the service, but in that moment in time.

With our various doctrines today, would that be allowed to happen ?

Would they be forbidden to sing in tongues ?

Should it be more about balance, then forbidding, and via speaking in tongues were an interpretation is needed, are we always rightly discerning this ?

My fear, is that either people go to one extreme or to another extreme, which both ways can quench the Spirit, and I want all the Holy Spirit I can get.

Because I love God.

 

[Bill]

Ya I totally understand why someone would think of it that way.

If someone wants to only do so privately that is their prerogative, and I can understand that.


1Co 14:28
(28) But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

1Co 14:15
(15) What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

The thing were we have to be careful, is in not quenching the Spirit.

No doubt, speaking to oneself and to God does refer to doing so in the church, because that is the context.

And then there is singing in the spirit, nowhere does it say singing in the spirit needs interpretation.

My former Scottish pastor, once was at a service, to were in that specific moment, all began to sing in tongues, and all were singing the exact tongues, and all were in sink, and he told me they felt the Spirit in a big way, but it was done not all the service, but in that moment in time.

With our various doctrines today, would that be allowed to happen ?

Would they be forbidden to sing in tongues ?

Should it be more about balance, then forbidding, and via speaking in tongues were an interpretation is needed, are we always rightly discerning this ?

My fear, is that either people go to one extreme or to another extreme, which both ways can quench the Spirit, and I want all the Holy Spirit I can get.

Because I love God.

May Jesus fill us with his wisdom and love

I think you are confused honestly. Speaking in tongues is not the same thing as singing or praising God. It's completely different things all together

 

[Gerbolski]

May Jesus fill us with his wisdom and love

I think you are confused honestly. Speaking in tongues is not the same thing as singing or praising God. It's completely different things all together

Not at all confused.

1Co 14:14-15
(14) For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
(15) What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

The context is an unknown tongue.

Then it says what is it then, I will pray in the spirit (that is in an unknown tongue) and pray with the understanding also (in our own language which in our case is English), and I will sing with the spirit (in an unknown tongue) and with the understanding also (in our own language).

The bible interprets the bible.

Does praying in our own language exist? Yes.

Does praying in tongues, to were it is to one self and to God, exist? Yes.

Does singing in tongues exist ? Yes.

Does singing in our own language exist ? Yes.

Does prophesying in our own language exist ? Yes.

Does tongues and interpretation exist? Yes.

Does tongues ( speaking in an unknown tongue) and interpretation and prophesying in our own language have similar standards ? Yes, for in both, it is to be 2 or 3.

 

[Bill]

Not at all confused.

1Co 14:14-15
(14) For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
(15) What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

The context is an unknown tongue.

Then it says what is it then, I will pray in the spirit (that is in an unknown tongue) and pray with the understanding also (in our own language which in our case is English), and I will sing with the spirit (in an unknown tongue) and with the understanding also (in our own language).

The bible interprets the bible.

Does praying in our own language exist? Yes.

Does praying in tongues, to were it is to one self and to God, exist? Yes.

Does singing in tongues exist ? Yes.

Does singing in our own language exist ? Yes.

Does prophesying in our own language exist ? Yes.

Does tongues and interpretation exist? Yes.

Does tongues ( speaking in an unknown tongue) and interpretation and prophesying in our own language have similar standards ? Yes, for in both, it is to be 2 or 3.

May Jesus fill us with his love and wisdom.
From what I've seen of people that actually do speak in tongues. And I'm not talking about foreign languages, that they themselves don't know what they're saying. Talking about those who speak in tongues

 

[MedicBravo]

Fight.
Excuses after excuses. No evidence? No sane person would believe you.

 

[MedicBravo]

It is not about what makes sense to us or not, it is about what God says, and an unknown tongue that no man knows, is not wrong for it is in the bible, and it being interpreted is not wrong, because it talks about interpretation of unknown tongues.

It is either we believe the bible or we do not, or we interpret it to our liking what fits us.

Paul never says the language is non-human.

What it is.
1. A miraculous ability to speak real, unlearned human languages.
(Acts 2 is the only detailed description of what the tongues actually sounded like, and it was intelligible human language.)
2. A sign given by God—especially to Israel and to unbelievers.
(1 Cor 14:21–22 connects it to an Old Testament prophecy of Israel rejecting God.)
5. A gift intended to glorify God, pray, or proclaim—not for chaotic emotional display.
(1 Cor 14 entire chapter)

*Not described as a private “heavenly language” for self-elevation
Not used to deliver new revelation apart from Scripture

**Even then, everything else must be tested against Scripture, not traditions or personal experiences.

 

[Bill]

Fight.
Excuses after excuses. No evidence? No sane person would believe you.

May Jesus fill us with his love and wisdom.

Hello, what are you talking about?

 

[Gerbolski]

No excuses at all, just in your mind MedicBravo, because you do not believe in unknow tongues, and there are people that I associate with, who know I speak in tongues, but they do not, yet still believe in it.

When we discuss online, we do not see the person, so it is hard to judge what they are experiencing, because you do not know them.

And tongues are a sign, in the form of other tongues it was a sign to them on the day of Pentecost, but also it says that tongues in and of itself, is a sign.

I think both unknown and other are signs.

 

[Gerbolski]

May Jesus fill us with his love and wisdom.
From what I've seen of people that actually do speak in tongues. And I'm not talking about foreign languages, that they themselves don't know what they're saying. Talking about those who speak in tongues

Would you say you are talking about a type of heavenly language that no one knows but God ?

 

[Gerbolski]

MedicBravo your are judging me according to your feelings on unknown tongues, but that is not a right way to judge things.

 

[Bill]

No excuses at all, just in your mind MedicBravo, because you do not believe in unknow tongues, and there are people that I associate with, who know I speak in tongues, but they do not, yet still believe in it.

When we discuss online, we do not see the person, so it is hard to judge what they are experiencing, because you do not know them.

And tongues are a sign, in the form of other tongues it was a sign to them on the day of Pentecost, but also it says that tongues in and of itself, is a sign.

I think both unknown and other are signs.

May Jesus fill us with his love and wisdom
I wanted to tell you from my own experience. That I have seen people speaking in tongues both in tongues that are familiar to the languages in the world and also speaking in tongues that are unfamiliar. And I know that both of them are speaking through the spirit of God.
Why one person would speak in a unknown language and another person speaking a language that is known. I have no idea. But I do know that in both cases they were definitely speaking through the Holy Spirit

 

[Gerbolski]

And MedicBravo, I am not going to judge you because you do not speak in tongues, nor would I say you were not a believer, and you are just as important as anybody else, and equal to all.

Tongues does not make someone mature in the Lord, some who speak in tongues are mature, some are not, and someone who does not speak in tongues can be as mature in the Lord as anybody else.