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Are some people predestined for hell no matter what they do.

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Some of God's attributes Are His omniscience, omnipresence, omnipotence.

His omniscience = all knowledge of everything. But He is not lacking in emotions. He would that All would come to a saving knowledge of salvation, but Also knows that lots of people Won't.

You've shared your views about Calvinism -- Because of His omniscience He Does know who will and who won't. But He Still gives us order to go to all people all over the world and share the Gospel of salvation with all who will listen. Lots of people Will and lots Won't.

You commented about God's grieving over the conditions of the world / how man turned out. So -- He allowed a world-wide flood to take place and the only people who were in the ark were the only righteous people still in the world.
Was it an oops on God's part? Well -- much later in God's Word to all of us -- in Romans -- that all of us have sinned and the wage of sin is death but that Because of God's love for mankind -- He provided salvation. Back Then God provided the ark through Noah. It took a Long time to build. No doubt the people back Then were asking all kinds of questions -- What are you doing? Why are you doing it? Are you serious? Are you kidding me? As it turned out, Noah and his family were the only people who believed God and followed His orders for building that ark. And then God decided to start over with Noah and his family. They were kind of a second Adam and Eve. And God Also has given us the rainbow -- a reminder to Him and us that He would never destroy the entire earth like that again.

BTW -- no one says that Anyone has to accept Mr. Calvin's ideas. It's Also true that all the Scriptures he used were in God's Word. The rebuttal To Mr. Calvin was Mr. Armenius. But his concepts had problems, too.

so -- it's kind of like 'this' -- if it were up to 'us' -- then the horrible person who does horrible things to people with no seaming regret Should end up in hell -- no questions asked. But -- say that while in prison -- maybe even waiting for his death sentence to be fulfilled -- the prison chaplain talks to him One More Time. One Last time. And This time -- the Holy Spirit Does work in his heart -- He Does accept Jesus Christ as his personal Lord and Savior. He Will still die for his past sins, but he will Also be in heaven. Almost doesn't seem fair. His bad works didn't send him to hell for ever.

So -- now we Also have the wonderful person who's spend his entire life doing all kinds of Wonderful things. Feeding the poor -- you name it and he's been doing it. Goes to church all the time -- And -- if it were up to Us -- he'd be in heaven. BUT -- he hasn't accepted Jesus Christ as his personal Lord and Savior. And he ends in hell. Now That really doesn't seem fair. Of All the people who Should be in heaven he Won't be.

Why? because good works won't secure a place in heaven for anyone. That's what Ephesians 2 tells us. NOT of works.

That's why God is the Only One who knows who will be and who won't be. 'We' would have the wrong people ending up in the wrong place.

Now Maybe people have been telling the one guy that all those good things he's been doing Won't get him to heaven but he refuses to listen.

And, maybe, no one Has told him that he's Still a sinner in spite of all those good deeds and that he Does need to accept Christ.

We don't know his heart -- only God really does.

but 'we' Also have the verse that says "by their fruits we will know them" -- so --is their life Showing those fruits or not.

And, has anyone taken time To ask him / her About their personal salvation?

Part of our life Is our freedom of choice. God Does allow people to make poor choices. That's the result of Adam and Eve and eating from that fruit of the knowledge of both good and Evil. So -- sounds like you're blaming God for your poor choices?! Couldn't you have said "no" at some point? Your problem has been drugs and alcohol and women. Well -- a person at some point -- takes that 1st drink or the first time using that drug. Was it being Forced on you? Now Some drugs are so powerful that the 1st time Can be addictive / deadly.

so -- those compulsions have been taken from you. You received your help from God? He took the compulsions from you?!

Your bio info says your from Texas. I"d sent you a 'conversation' thing asking what part of Texas you're from. I'm in south- central. This is a huge state.

As for the blasephemy of the Holy Spirit -- the Holy Spirit is part of the trinity / God head.

I'm pretty sure that blasphemy is taking something that God / Jesus has done and giving the credit to satan.

I would agree with your two examples. Well -- to condone murder and say it's God's Will . You used abortion as an example. There Are those who believe that a baby conceived during a rape or act of incest Can be aborted if the female can't handle the idea of being pregnant as a result. It Would be wrong to okay abortion simply because it's a inconvenience to the female or if her life-style is such that she gets pregnant frequently and chooses to kill the baby that's conceived - - that 's murder.

But -- knowing that God gives life -- and attributing that life to satan instead. Well -- satanists do that I guess.

but it certainly is Far better to be in God's Word and not mess around with unGodliness.
 
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Calvinism is an evil, wicked philosophy. What hope is there for any of us if we accept the Calvinist doctrine? Salvation through Yeshua Messiah is for all. That is clearly stated in scripture.

As for those who state that Yahweh knows who will accept Him from the start, scripture disagrees.
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Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And the LORD was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. NAS

Looks to me he didn't know how mankind would turn out. He didn't know how I would turn out. I know he didn't have His hand on me. If he had I wouldn't have done the evil I did.

Blaspheme the holy spirit.

First of all this isn't talking about an individual named holy spirit. It's talking about Yahweh's spirit. Blasphemy as referenced here is to do evil in Yahweh's name. Example? To commit murder and say it is Yahweh's will. To claim belief in Yeshua and then vote for abortion in all its forms. That is blasphemy.

Last but not least, those who repent (turn their lives around and quit doing what Yahweh considers wrong) are a new creation. The book is either true or false.

It says in 2 Cor 5:17
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away, and look, new things have come.
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A literal translation of scripture says we receive "a holy spirit " not "the holy spirit." This ties in with the verse above. We will still be tempted. My temptation is women. It used to be drugs and alcohol, especially weed but that compulsion has been taken from me. I like women and I've been blessed with a fantastic wife. But, I'm tempted daily. The difference between me now and in the past is I don't give in to temptation. When my mind goes in that direction I exercise my self discipline and either tell myself to knock it off or if the temptation is very strong pray for help to Yahweh and get that help each and every time.
I pray for your needs, may Lord Christ Jesus, Yeshua bless you for your honestly, because Jesus is our God and may we be sanctified each day!
 
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Are some people destined for Hell no matter what they do?
Maybe they Blasphemied the Holy spirit? Or thought some thing very bad sacrilegious, or something.
Can these sins be repented of?
What are the people who are destined for darkness?-- unbelievers, haters of God almighty, or people who sin after receiving the Holy spirit?
Who exactly are they
What is the Blasphemy of the Holy spirit?
Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is a tactic used to scare you into thinking that you will going to hell. The devil specifically blasphemies in your thoughts and words. He is actually Jesus. Our Father lets everyone into heaven, only the devil likes darkness. The devil is the reason for all the problems.

2 Corinthians 11:3 But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ.

This clearly states that the devil is Jesus and he will deceive you into being like him and tricks you into doing wrong.

2 Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

This means he pretends to be perfect Jesus to get us to do what he wants. There is a narrow path to take, he does not want you to take it. Doing the following things will help Our Father and put you on the narrow path.

1 Corinthians 7:32
“But I would have you without carefulness. He that is unmarried careth for the things that belong to the Lord, how he may please the Lord.

Luke 5:35 The days will come when the bridegroom is taken away from them, and then they will fast in those days.
Matthew 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.

We should fast at all times and should not get married. We all have one Father which means we are all related.

1 Corinthians 11:29-30
For he who eats and drinks, eats and drinks judgment to himself if he does not judge the body rightly. For this reason many among you are weak and sick, and a number sleep.

Eating and drinking is a trick the devil uses to decrease our lifespan and give him an advantage.

Psalm 92:3 With the ten-stringed lute and with the harp, With resounding music upon the lyre.

Playing the 10 string harp gives you something lovely to do and Our Father enjoys it.

Stay safe.
 
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Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is a tactic used to scare you into thinking that you will going to hell. The devil specifically blasphemies in your thoughts and words. He is actually Jesus. Our Father lets everyone into heaven, only the devil likes darkness. The devil is the reason for all the problems.

2 Corinthians 11:3 But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ.

This clearly states that the devil is Jesus and he will deceive you into being like him and tricks you into doing wrong.

2 Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

This means he pretends to be perfect Jesus to get us to do what he wants. There is a narrow path to take, he does not want you to take it. Doing the following things will help Our Father and put you on the narrow path.

1 Corinthians 7:32
“But I would have you without carefulness. He that is unmarried careth for the things that belong to the Lord, how he may please the Lord.

Luke 5:35 The days will come when the bridegroom is taken away from them, and then they will fast in those days.
Matthew 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.

We should fast at all times and should not get married. We all have one Father which means we are all related.

1 Corinthians 11:29-30
For he who eats and drinks, eats and drinks judgment to himself if he does not judge the body rightly. For this reason many among you are weak and sick, and a number sleep.

Eating and drinking is a trick the devil uses to decrease our lifespan and give him an advantage.

Psalm 92:3 With the ten-stringed lute and with the harp, With resounding music upon the lyre.

Playing the 10 string harp gives you something lovely to do and Our Father enjoys it.

Stay safe.
I'm not sure I understand what you are saying. Are you saying that who we as Christians understand to be the Son of God, the Messiah, is actuality Satan? Or, are you saying that Satan tries to imitate Yeshua to deceive believers?
 
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Scripture tells us that calling the Holy Spirit "Beelzebub" is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. What about calling the spirit of the world the Holy Ghost?
 
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