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Are Modern 'Churches" Biblical?

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In the City of Nashville, practically everywhere there's a road, one is likely to find a church nearby. Some in poor neighborhoods, often badly in need of repair. Others are multi-million dollar edifices, with enough surrounding land to build an entire village of tiny homes for the homeless and, enough parking for a good-size sporting event.

Many people today seem blissfully unaware the term "church" in the Bible actually means "assembly" in the Greek and, God's assembly doesn't refer to a building or religious organization of any kind. It also says in this seldom actually read collection of works that God doesn't live in temples made with hands. In fact, we find this rather anti-religious view twice in the same book of Acts and, a similar idea is found in both Hebrews and in Peter's first letter, as well as originally in the Old Testament.

"Assembly" in the Bible, doesn't refer to a religion or a religious organization or brand, like a Baptist or Catholic church. It may serve to unhinge more than a few American Constitutional wonks, to learn that separation of "church" and state has no biblical basis or meaning. The English word "assembly" refers to a gathering of people.

Historians disagree on where the term "ecclesia" (Greek for "assembly") originates. Some believe it was originally used by the Romans, roughly referring to a gathering of common people for socio/political purpose. Unlike for example, a meeting of the powerful and elite. Ecclesia is definitely used to mean a Greek political assembly.

In the New Testament, this term seems to have been chosen by Jesus himself to refer to his followers. Thus, the word "ecclesia" (assembly in English) in the Bible refers to people, whether a small group or large gathering or, the collective followers of Jesus. Within the entire New Testament, "ecclesia" does not ever refer to anything else, other than to actual people.

Groups of Jesus followers often gathered in private homes and apparently sometimes lived together in the same larger housed complex. Other times, public gathering places may have been used or, they may have met out in the open, weather permitting.

These assemblies weren't led by a preacher or priest. Several different people might sing or speak as they were so moved and, sometimes the whole group might sing. Apparently they would often eat and socialize as well. Very much a free unscripted atmosphere compared to modern 'church' services, typically held in austere buildings with rigid pre-planned programming on uncomfortable wooden pews.

Some have remarked that "church" would be a lot better without the preaching, when folks often take unnecessary bathroom breaks or, duck out rather early. Unlike modern churches, which take up collections to pay for expensive buildings and maintenance and far too often, obscene preacher salaries, palatial housing and a private jet or two, real assemblies in the Bible took up collections for the poor, even when very poor themselves.

Those of us not attached to any religious organization are left wondering why, in a nation of ostensible separation of church and state, we are forced to subsidize exempt religious properties; author of the First Amendment James Madison was adamantly against such exemptions. Perhaps if these 'churches' really wanted to honor God, you know, the God who doesn't live in temples made with hands, they would convert their so-called "churches" into housing for the homeless and poor.
 
In the City of Nashville, practically everywhere there's a road, one is likely to find a church nearby. Some in poor neighborhoods, often badly in need of repair. Others are multi-million dollar edifices, with enough surrounding land to build an entire village of tiny homes for the homeless and, enough parking for a good-size sporting event.

Many people today seem blissfully unaware the term "church" in the Bible actually means "assembly" in the Greek and, God's assembly doesn't refer to a building or religious organization of any kind. It also says in this seldom actually read collection of works that God doesn't live in temples made with hands. In fact, we find this rather anti-religious view twice in the same book of Acts and, a similar idea is found in both Hebrews and in Peter's first letter, as well as originally in the Old Testament.

"Assembly" in the Bible, doesn't refer to a religion or a religious organization or brand, like a Baptist or Catholic church. It may serve to unhinge more than a few American Constitutional wonks, to learn that separation of "church" and state has no biblical basis or meaning. The English word "assembly" refers to a gathering of people.

Historians disagree on where the term "ecclesia" (Greek for "assembly") originates. Some believe it was originally used by the Romans, roughly referring to a gathering of common people for socio/political purpose. Unlike for example, a meeting of the powerful and elite. Ecclesia is definitely used to mean a Greek political assembly.

In the New Testament, this term seems to have been chosen by Jesus himself to refer to his followers. Thus, the word "ecclesia" (assembly in English) in the Bible refers to people, whether a small group or large gathering or, the collective followers of Jesus. Within the entire New Testament, "ecclesia" does not ever refer to anything else, other than to actual people.

Groups of Jesus followers often gathered in private homes and apparently sometimes lived together in the same larger housed complex. Other times, public gathering places may have been used or, they may have met out in the open, weather permitting.

These assemblies weren't led by a preacher or priest. Several different people might sing or speak as they were so moved and, sometimes the whole group might sing. Apparently they would often eat and socialize as well. Very much a free unscripted atmosphere compared to modern 'church' services, typically held in austere buildings with rigid pre-planned programming on uncomfortable wooden pews.

Some have remarked that "church" would be a lot better without the preaching, when folks often take unnecessary bathroom breaks or, duck out rather early. Unlike modern churches, which take up collections to pay for expensive buildings and maintenance and far too often, obscene preacher salaries, palatial housing and a private jet or two, real assemblies in the Bible took up collections for the poor, even when very poor themselves.

Those of us not attached to any religious organization are left wondering why, in a nation of ostensible separation of church and state, we are forced to subsidize exempt religious properties; author of the First Amendment James Madison was adamantly against such exemptions. Perhaps if these 'churches' really wanted to honor God, you know, the God who doesn't live in temples made with hands, they would convert their so-called "churches" into housing for the homeless and poor.
I really wanted to like this, but then came to the last 2 paragraphs, and just couldn't do it. Until then, I'm in agreement with you and wanted you to know that much. :)

With the Love in Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
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In the City of Nashville, practically everywhere there's a road, one is likely to find a church nearby. Some in poor neighborhoods, often badly in need of repair. Others are multi-million dollar edifices, with enough surrounding land to build an entire village of tiny homes for the homeless and, enough parking for a good-size sporting event......................
something-something money, blah-blah politics, I know. But Jesus sayeth, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

You can start a Bible study group in your home, and see what happens. Just a suggestion.
 
I really wanted to like this, but then came to the last 2 paragraphs, and just couldn't do it. Until then, I'm in agreement with you and wanted you to know that much. :)

With the Love in Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
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James Madison, the author of the First Amendment, took Patrick Henry to court when Henry attempted to get special exemptions for religious organizations. If anyone understands the intent of the First Amendment, James Madison does, because he wrote it. Nashville has many brands of Christian churches, as well as mosques and synagogues. None of these should receive tax exemptions, which is grossly unfair to citizens who live in the neighborhood but do not belong to these religious organizations. Property tax would be considerably less if there were no exemptions for religious organizations. No one should be forced to pay for religious exemptions for religions they do not agree with or belong to.
 
James Madison, the author of the First Amendment, took Patrick Henry to court when Henry attempted to get special exemptions for religious organizations. If anyone understands the intent of the First Amendment, James Madison does, because he wrote it. Nashville has many brands of Christian churches, as well as mosques and synagogues. None of these should receive tax exemptions, which is grossly unfair to citizens who live in the neighborhood but do not belong to these religious organizations. Property tax would be considerably less if there were no exemptions for religious organizations. No one should be forced to pay for religious exemptions for religions they do not agree with or belong to.
That is a very small part of the last two paragraphs Richard. Oh, I do agree that churches should be paying their fair share of taxes but then the less the government has to spend on what they do, and more that the church has, to do what they do, can only be for the better. That is if one can agree that there are some churches that do good with what they bring in. Not all mind you, but they are out there those who are truly trying to help the needy at the same time they are spreading Salvation through Jesus Christ. Don't paint with such a wide brush, and your message just might resonate with others as well.

With the Love in Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
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That is a very small part of the last two paragraphs Richard. Oh, I do agree that churches should be paying their fair share of taxes but then the less the government has to spend on what they do, and more that the church has, to do what they do, can only be for the better. That is if one can agree that there are some churches that do good with what they bring in. Not all mind you, but they are out there those who are truly trying to help the needy at the same time they are spreading Salvation through Jesus Christ. Don't paint with such a wide brush, and your message just might resonate with others as well.

With the Love in Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
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I agree there are some that a trying. However, I agree with the 80/20 rule of true charities. Which is that at least 80 percent of all funds collected should go directly to the poor and needy. Other so-called 'charities' are not real charities and should not receive tax exemptions. Examples of well-run charities today include the Los Angeles Mission, Save the Children, the Muscular Dystrophy Assoc. and Doctors Without Borders. Save the Children, for example, gives over 90 percent of funds collected directly to helping the poor and needy; the rest is used for marketing and salaries. If they can do it, so should the rest be at or near that amount.
 
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