when you have plain scripture repeatedly saying the same thing over and over and you refuse to believe it, there is nothing else to say. we see things very differently
if a person likes to sin and thinks he will be gone and not have to suffer judgement or consequences of his sin ,,,he would like you view very much, there is no real punishment for the way he lives according to your view
that just does not sound biblical, to me. nor does it line up with the bible
You say plain Scripture, but I told you the word is translated wrongly. Did you investigate or question it? Or, did you just dismiss what I said because it doesn't fit what you believe? Let me ask you, are Sodom and Gomorrah still burning. Can we go over to the Middle East and see them?
7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh,
are set forth for an example,
suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.1 (Jude 1:7 KJV)
Jude says that Sodom and Gomorrah are an example of this "eternal" fire. Whatever this "eternal" fire is Sodom and Gomorrah are an example. So, if this fire burns forever then Sodom and Gomorrah must still be burning. Why can't we see it? A fire that size should be visible from space. But, there's nothing. Those cities were utterly destroyed. Archeologists aren't even certain where they are located because they were utterly destroyed, We can't find evidence of them. But, if this fire is everlasting it should be visible for all to see.
The word translated everlasting in the previous verse and the verses you posted is "aionios" it is adjective form of the word "aion" . Jesus spoke of this aion and one to come.
2 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this
world, neither in the world to come. (Matt. 12:32 KJV)
In this passage the translators translated the word aion, as world. Firstly one has to wonder why in one place the word is translated as forever and in another as world. The English words world and forever have nothing in common. They are two completely unrelated words. The problem is that it doesn't fit what the translators believe so they have to change the word.
In this passage Jesus speaks of this aion and one to come. If aion means eternity, how can you have this eternity and the one to come? By definition eternity doesn't end you can't have one tto follow it. So we see from Jesus' own words that aion ends, thus it cannot mean eternity. However, Jesus stares plainly that the aion ends.
The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is
the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. (Matt. 13:39 KJV)
Here again, the word world is the word aion. Jesus said the harvest is the end of the aion. Thus aion ends. it's not eternal. Here is Jesus again,
49 So shall it be at
the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, (Matt. 13:49 KJV)
The apostles understood that the aion ended.
And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of
the end of the world? (Matt. 24:3 KJV)
These are just a few of many passages that I could post. These show explicitly that the aion will end. It cannot be eternal if it ends.
Not at all. There is punishment. The punishment is just what God said it would be, death. The soul that sins shall die.
Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine:
the soul that sinneth, it shall die. (Ezek. 18:4 KJV)
Nowhere in Scripture do we find God saying the soul that sins shall suffer eternal conscious torment. Paul said, 'the wages of sin is death'. He didn't say the wages of sin is eternal conscious torment.
What's happened is that theologians have read their theology into the Scriptures. They've translated aion based on what they believe rather than how it is used in Scripture. Jesus spoke of the end of the aion and the apostles did also. That shows beyond any doubt that aion cannot mean eternal, no matter what translators and theologians say.