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Am I permtited to expose heretics in this forum?

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Loyal
I agree that the word heretic too broad and eclectic. The person in question is a huge liar, and has the right to lie, but not lie to gullible people and lead them astray and make a huge amount of money in the process.

? denotes mysterious liar

Christian Churches all over the USA and now also overseas such as South Korea and Brazil are inviting ? to come and teach and preach behind their church pulpits?

? regularly visits heaven and sit on Gods huge throne gazing into his pretty blue eyes, even commented just how neat Almighty God the Fathers moustache is!

Apparently, Almighty God has a sweet tooth and just loves to eat jello or jelly where I come from?

Jesus has brand new Harley Davidson motorbike in heaven has tattoos and really likes a game of golf on the heavenly golf courses!

There are many restaurants up there in heaven but God the Father only eats out in the Mexican one!

This is not even the tiny tip of this colossal iceberg of lies, so I will leave it to you to ponder about it

? preaches another God another Jesus and another Gospel!!

However, if you do not want me to name this person I refrain and abide by the forum rules!


God Bless in Jesus Holy Name!
Alan McDougall
This person sounds like he/she is totally deceived but it's still wrong to name names....The bible says "Don't" Instead, pray for them, and the people they preach to.
 
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Am I permitted to expose heretics in this forum?

If yes in which subforum?

Alan
You have to be so careful. There is so much warnings and scripture to consider that could be to your / our detriment. It is best to just leave it the Lord.

If it is a church preacher, you just find another church, simple. Unless of course the person in question is corrected by qualified elders.

Psalm 105:15 "Do not touch my anointed ones; do my prophets no harm." You don't want to be in opposition to God's work. It is so easy to think you are right and others are heretics. Anything not of God will fail. It is inevitable Acts 5:39 But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God.

All we should do is quote this verse to them Matt 18:6 If anyone causes one of these little ones those who believe in me to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea. Mature Christians are not easily stumbled. Our foundation / seed and growth with Jesus is strong. It is the little ones that are at risk. Sometimes that ignorant false teacher is '''also''' a ''little one''. Remember that.
 
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? denotes mysterious liar

Christian Churches all over the USA and now also overseas such as South Korea and Brazil are inviting ? to come and teach and preach behind their church pulpits?

? regularly visits heaven and sit on Gods huge throne gazing into his pretty blue eyes, even commented just how neat Almighty God the Fathers moustache is!

Apparently, Almighty God has a sweet tooth and just loves to eat jello or jelly where I come from?

Jesus has brand new Harley Davidson motorbike in heaven has tattoos and really likes a game of golf on the heavenly golf courses!

There are many restaurants up there in heaven but God the Father only eats out in the Mexican one!

This is not even the tiny tip of this colossal iceberg of lies, so I will leave it to you to ponder about it

? preaches another God another Jesus and another Gospel!!

However, if you do not want me to name this person I refrain and abide by the forum rules!
Greetings @Alan McDougall

I have just seen this thread and skimmed through it, thinking at first you were referring to a member of Talk Jesus but then realising this isnt the case.

As you can see using the words exposing a heretic causes quite a heated discussion.
And even with our dear brother @Christ4Ever 's sound post of advice the thread is getting hotter and hotter.

Perhaps consider opening a thread to discuss this persons teaching in light and truth of scripture.

The entrance of Thy words giveth light; it giveth understanding unto the simple.
Psalm 119:130

If needed then let us be moved to prayer for those who are being deceived
And for the deceiver who is a puppet for satan, themselves a lost soul

Closed temporarily for moderation (@Christ4Ever)
 
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I received a notification from Christ4Ever that he mentioned me in a post. Though not mentioned openly here..... in the alert I was told I was. Now reading here, I can deduce 2+2=4. Kinda like the obvious outcome of scripture when put together.
This kinda seems familiar:skeptic:??? I have spoken in the light yet you conspire in the dark?
Hello BodyAndBlood, @Bendito and anyone else who was notified of this thread by me.
Apologies ahead of time. I was using a general notification to the Moderating Team that seems to have gone out to everyone!!!!! Yikes! My bad.
I'll have to let Administrator @Chad know about this.

I beg everyone's forgiveness for this unintended confusion caused by my mistake.

Thanks.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
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I was also notified that I was mentioned in this post. But, from what I see I can not find where I have been mentioned. If someone was referring to me as a heretic, it is probably because they have a problem with Jesus. I have not said anything on this site that Jesus himself did not say. "If they hate you remember they hated me first" (John 15:18-25).
 
Loyal
Hello BodyAndBlood, @Bendito and anyone else who was notified of this thread by me.
Apologies ahead of time. I was using a general notification to the Moderating Team that seems to have gone out to everyone!!!!! Yikes! My bad.
I'll have to let Administrator @Chad know about this.

I beg everyone's forgiveness for this unintended confusion caused by my mistake.

Thanks.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
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Nick
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If someone was referring to me as a heretic, it is probably because they have a problem with Jesus. I have not said anything on this site that Jesus himself did not say. "If they hate you remember they hated me first" (John 15:18-25).
 
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Hmm...I received notice I was tagged in this thread, but I can't find it. Why did I get tagged? Did it get deleted??
 
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I'm replying back to Post #26 that was posted by Dave M. he was replying back to 'spreading the Gospels' comment about heretical teachings of Jesus Christ. My understanding is that heresy is Not acknowledging Jesus Christ as being the Son of God // His death, burial and bodily resurrection // the one and only means of forgiveness of sins.

But a person can Also take the 'words of Jesus Christ' and use them in and or out of their intended context and cause problems in application Of.

And sometimes a person will believe that since they are using the KJV, that they can say / use Any verse in or out of context and be 'right' simply because it Is God's Word AND it Is, After all, the KJV.
 
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Hi guys,

I received a notification from Christ4Ever that he mentioned me in a post. Though not mentioned openly here..... in the alert I was told I was. Now reading here, I can deduce 2+2=4. Kinda like the obvious outcome of scripture when put together.
This kinda seems familiar:skeptic:??? I have spoken in the light yet you conspire in the dark?

Please, if there is any issue with what I post, openly say so. And if you desire to ban me ,do not pick apart what I post and add to your own narrative because you could not, in wisdom come up with what you may like in it yourselves. This happens often. I know I am no different than Christ in that- because that is done with His Word.

Since the word "Heretic" is being thrown around, please feel free to point out what heresy I spoke. Don't worry, (not that you will be) I will not be hurt by what you say.

HERETIC? Hmm, I guess that does depend on who you ask? The only thing I can deduce here , is that I mentioned Mother Miryam (Mary) . Seeing that this is a Protestant forum , that would be the only name that would throw people into convulsions. Certainly not because I said she was with sin before Christ saved her, that throws Catholics into convulsions. So what I can deduce....., Sola Scriptura is not really accepted, though touted by Protestants?

If that is the case then you would agree that this could apply:
Tradition and Worship Mathew 15:7-9
…7You hypocrites! Isaiah prophesied correctly about you: 8‘These people honor Me with their lips, but their hearts are far from Me. 9They worship Me in vain; they teach as doctrine the precepts of men.’”…

So, since Heretic is being proposed, what heretical statements have I made? Did I not support with scripture any thing I said? Also, is it not a false assumption to say "Catholic", when they reject the truth that Mother Miryam was born with sin?

So how could I be put on trial , in essence as a Catholic? And to be considered a heretic from heavens point of view , I would have to deny the written Word which scripture is, I have not. The mention and discussion of a matriarch of scripture does not qualify for that label .

Now, if it is because I spoke about scripture in other discussions concerning prophecy, is that not what all do here, speak about scripture and their understanding of it? Not everyone holds to the same interpretation, right? There would be no need for discussion and debate then.

What I gather is Christianity here has become like political lines drawn in the sand. Any dissent from what (men declare ) as acceptable is frowned upon even if it is TRUTH. Freedom of speech is rejected, even when there is no abuse of it. The only offense seems to be discussion about the Lord's Mother, she is His mother right?:
Mary Visits Elizabeth Luke 1:42-44
…42In a loud voice she exclaimed, “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb! 43And why am I so honored, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? 44For as soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy.…

If it is for some other reason Christ4Ever notified me , concerning some heresy, please tell me what perceived heresy? If it is because I said in my Canon I have 81 books, I have not used anything outside of what you may accept . As for extra biblical text , I only used Enoch which from reading here, discussion about his writings is present.

And again the Catholic thing, their Canon is 73 and so is MOST ORTHODOX. Not me though. So please, is there anything you would like to share with the class? Peace in Christ .
Young one LOL. Do not feel you are the only one who stirs up the brothers and sisters here. But if you do stir them up, always do it in God's Love.
 
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How is conduct not related to false teaching? If you are teaching a false conduct, then you are a false teacher. Correct?

Quantrill
I remember when Jim Jones was a big preacher here in the United States, he had all the charisma in the world. Many were swayed by his message. You know where that lead ppl. To thier death
 
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I remember when Jim Jones was a big preacher here in the United States, he had all the charisma in the world. Many were swayed by his message. You know where that lead ppl. To thier death
And it was so plain that he was a false teacher. He wasn't even close in either conduct or doctrine to really fool anyone. Makes one wonder the motive of those who followed him.

Quantrill
 
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And it was so plain that he was a false teacher. He wasn't even close in either conduct or doctrine to really fool anyone. Makes one wonder the motive of those who followed him.

Quantrill
I couldnt tell you , but i did hear of his charisma
 
Loyal
And it was so plain that he was a false teacher. He wasn't even close in either conduct or doctrine to really fool anyone. Makes one wonder the motive of those who followed him.

ignorance of the true word of God, most people that listen to these false teachers I dont beleive they spen any time in the word them selves, they go for a pep talk on sundays on how they should be rich in a materialistic way, wich is waht the flesh wants to here, you wont here the warnings of being rich that are taught in the bible
 
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First this as a lead to an experience that might help answer the OP.
Romans 16:17-20 (KJV)
17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
19 For your obedience is come abroad unto all men. I am glad therefore on your behalf: but yet I would have you wise unto that which is good, and simple concerning evil.
20 And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.


"Mark" there comes from the Greek meaning take aim at or spy on, take heed of, take critical note of. It's a mental tagging. Quite often a congregation that's in unity can sit listening to a speaker who makes a false or questionable point, and not stir or look around. Later they discover probably everyone wrote the speaker off their list, so would be opposed to inviting him back. They marked the speaker. In my opinion the pastor ought to make the correction, maybe pass a slip to the speaker so the error can be settled before end of meeting.

The emphasis in that passage focuses on those who cause divisions, made more difficult due to ear tickling words. If error is received without marking the speaker and message, then divisions can follow. If a division of people over a false doctrine or simple idea occurs, the false statement has become evil spreading like a cancer small or large. Churches can split over minor instances of those. Christian chat rooms can crumble over one hot division gone uncorrected. We have great moderators watching over that. Confidence grows for everyone affected when correction is immediately applied as thoroughly as possible.

The other issue, offenses, is more common and sometimes harder to deal with. Some or many members often just leave before those can be healed. A division might require many Bible lessons to heal, while an offense ought to be healed before the sun sets, or it can grow into division.

In both cases, whoever begins one of those issues without immediate repentance needs to be mentally dismissed by the congregation, and avoided altogether even though that might seem unloving. This is not like Matthew 18 with instructions for a brother offended going to the offender in private, then if failing to reconcile, taking the matter to a few witnesses, and hopefully not before the whole congregation. Any false teacher ought to be considered eligible for repentance and forgiveness, so the elders ought to be ready to confront and correct them. At least make an appropriate effort, but not destroy him before the congregation without mercy. Lots of false teaching is simple ignorance. One way to deal with that is to start the music, let pastor speak a few words privately with microphone muted.

An example is an incident I experienced while teaching a young adult Bible class. College students were back home, so the class grew. One member brought a friend who was quite outspoken. The lessons for them are based on a topic chosen by the class for the next class period. The topic was "Are Christians accountable for sinful behavior of their adult children" or close friends? The topic came up over Joshua being ordered by God to invade Ai to kill every human in that city because of their great sins. The woman interrupted with a question. "My parents have disowned me and stopped paying for my college because I was born lesbian and won't change. Are they even Christian?" What a loaded question!

She wasn't teaching a false doctrine, certainly not tickling ears. The woman was just....divisive, and caused offense. That was quite disruptive, divisions were birthed, and confusion arose. She left me 8 minutes to answer. I had only one immediate answer. "That is a question you need to take up with your parents. Class, we'll get to the bottom of it when we have more time." The woman shouted out "Coward", and left. Hands were going up, but I finished the planned lesson, explaining I have to mark people who cause divisions and offenses, refusing to consider that without a lot more information and prayer, so as not to make the issue worse for the class, that it was a matter for counselors to take up. It took weeks to repair that issue, it being THE question for the next few Sundays, in addition to phone and Messenger discussion, and explaining to Pastor, getting guidance from him.
 
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Detecting false teachers, and knowing what to do about them has become more difficult than just comparing their words to what the Bible presents. What is considered a good sermon in one church might completely offend another congregation. Consider the current confusion over gender identity and other preferences God declared were abominations to Him. Unfortunately they are growing far less troublesome to a lot of folks who could not care less about what God thinks. So if a speaker were to bring up a divisive or offensive issue like those before a conservative congregation that would be an act of heresy. But it would not be a heresy in a liberal congregation. It might result in expulsion at the hands of elders in one place, or accolades in another. There just isn't a widespread standard to go by, which resulted in denominations regulating ministers wanting to accept an invitation outside his licensing by his denomination.

What amazes me is there's a lot more focus on what some TV preacer says that offends a listener whose church is already opposed to that preacher's doctrine. It's to me like someone outside a saloon warning folks there are drunks inside. Or, a drug addict outside a church warning folks there's a preacher of deliverance from drug abuse inside. Hey, the folks inside like what their preachers say.

The most interesting account to me of charges of heresy by the Church is the condemnation of scientists, venegeful towards Galileo the inventor of the telescope, the scientific method (well, the original trus one), and many other discoveries, but made the grave error of supporting Copernicus' thesis (not a proved theory or law) that the earth revolved around the sun, and other his own astronomical facts. He faced a long inquisition from Catholics in Rome, setting him back. The Catholics beieved the science didn't match up with some passages in the Bible. So it was a famous scientist was regarded as an heretic.

History has frequently vindicated supposed heretics, mostly putting ignorance and fears to rest.

If you think a preacher or teacher is an heretic, be careful, be certain you are right, for those acts can turn on the accusers. It's much more reasonable to stick to the basics, like what the Bible says about Jesus, avoiding what is likely to be a denominational difference of opinion about for instance who can partake of the Lord's Supper observance, and how it should be administered.
 
Loyal
Detecting false teachers, and knowing what to do about them has become more difficult than just comparing their words to what the Bible presents. What is considered a good sermon in one church might completely offend another congregation. Consider the current confusion over gender identity and other preferences God declared were abominations to Him. Unfortunately they are growing far less troublesome to a lot of folks who could not care less about what God thinks. So if a speaker were to bring up a divisive or offensive issue like those before a conservative congregation that would be an act of heresy. But it would not be a heresy in a liberal congregation. It might result in expulsion at the hands of elders in one place, or accolades in another. There just isn't a widespread standard to go by, which resulted in denominations regulating ministers wanting to accept an invitation outside his licensing by his denomination.

What amazes me is there's a lot more focus on what some TV preacer says that offends a listener whose church is already opposed to that preacher's doctrine. It's to me like someone outside a saloon warning folks there are drunks inside. Or, a drug addict outside a church warning folks there's a preacher of deliverance from drug abuse inside. Hey, the folks inside like what their preachers say.

The most interesting account to me of charges of heresy by the Church is the condemnation of scientists, venegeful towards Galileo the inventor of the telescope, the scientific method (well, the original trus one), and many other discoveries, but made the grave error of supporting Copernicus' thesis (not a proved theory or law) that the earth revolved around the sun, and other his own astronomical facts. He faced a long inquisition from Catholics in Rome, setting him back. The Catholics beieved the science didn't match up with some passages in the Bible. So it was a famous scientist was regarded as an heretic.

History has frequently vindicated supposed heretics, mostly putting ignorance and fears to rest.

If you think a preacher or teacher is an heretic, be careful, be certain you are right, for those acts can turn on the accusers.
That's true...That PC junk is very destructive to intelligence.
 

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