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Always Pointing To The Rapture {Bema Judgment}

Discussion in 'Evidence & Prophecy' started by Rant, Oct 12, 2017.

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  1. The Bible is always pointing to the Rapture and many so called Christians say no WAY!!>> So then what is the Bema seat Judgment all about?
  2. I am one of the "so called Christians" who believes that the doctrine of the rapture is misguided and detrimental to the witness of the church today. Can I gently suggest that you take more care in how you speak of others you disagree with?

    The judgement seat is where all who belong to Christ give an account of their lives and are rewarded accordingly.

    Rev. 22:12 Behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to render to every man according to what he has done.
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  3. The Bema seat Judgement is very interesting because it ties into revelations , and proves the church is raptured before the tribulation . This is where the church is Judged after the rapture in heaven>The judgment seat of Christ does not determine salvation; that was determined by Christ’s sacrifice on our behalf (1 John 2:2) and our faith in Him (John 3:16). All of our sins are forgiven, and we will never be condemned for them (Romans 8:1). We should not look at the judgment seat of Christ as God judging our sins, but rather as God rewarding us for our lives. Yes, as the Bible says, we will have to give an account of ourselves. Part of this is surely answering for the sins we committed. However, that is not going to be the primary focus of the judgment seat of Christ.
    At the judgment seat of Christ, believers are rewarded based on how faithfully they served Christ (1 Corinthians 9:4-27; 2 Timothy 2:5). Some of the things we might be judged on are how well we obeyed the Great Commission (Matthew 28:18-20), how victorious we were over sin (Romans 6:1-4), and how well we controlled our tongues (James 3:1-9). The Bible speaks of believers receiving crowns for different things based on how faithfully they served Christ (1 Corinthians 9:4-27; 2 Timothy 2:5). The various crowns are described in 2 Timothy 2:5, 2 Timothy 4:8, James 1:12, 1 Peter 5:4, and Revelation 2:10. James 1:12 is a good summary of how we should think about the judgment seat of Christ: “Blessed is the man who perseveres under trial, because when he has stood the test, he will receive the crown of life that God has promised to those who love him.”
    The 5 types of crowns for believers in heaven
    The 5 types of crowns are: –

    1. Crown of righteousness
    2. Incorruptible crown
    3. Crown of life
    4. Crown of glory
    5. Crown of rejoicing Then we go to Revelations 4 and 5>And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.
      The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,
      Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
      And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.
      9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
      10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
  4. We see that the 24 elders are not angels but redeemed men. We also see that the identity of the 24 elders is integral to proving that the rapture is before the Tribulation. It is highly significant that the 24 elders are first seen in Revelation. John when he went to heaven to see the throne and see the events of the End Times (Revelation 4:1), he saw the 24 elders. In the other visions of heaven in Isaiah and Ezekiel, there was only the throne and the four living creatures. There were no 24 elders. If the 24 elders were angels then they would've been in the visions of heaven in Isaiah and Ezekiel. It is significant that the 24 elders are seen in the New Testament and not in the Old Testament. If the 24 elders represent the Church then this is understandable for Israel and the Church are different. The Church consists of New Testament saints and all the Christians from Pentecost to the rapture. The resurrection of Church saints occurs at the rapture while the resurrection of Old Testament saints occurs after the Tribulation on the 1335th day (Daniel 12:2,12-13), which is 75 days after the Tribulation concludes. the 24 elders are redeemed men and the only choice there is that they represent the Church. This highly favors that the rapture will come before the Tribulation.
    • The 24 elders are seated on thrones, wearing white garments and golden crowns. These were promised to the Church at the Judgment Seat of Christ, which is at the coming of Christ at the rapture (2 Timothy 4:8; 1 Peter 5:4). • The 24 elders sing a song of redemption even though they sing it in the third person, which is possible (Exodus 115:13,16-17) to sing a song about yourself in the third person. • The 24 elders focus in their interpretation to John the white-robed multitude and the slain Lamb, Jesus Christ. Redeemed men would better understand the redemptive work of Christ than angels. • The 24 elders are distinguished from "all the angels" (Revelation 7:11). • The 24 elders are only seen in Revelation after John goes to heaven (Revelation 4:1-2) and are absent in the visions of Isaiah and Ezekiel of heaven. • The 24 elders are very different from angels. • The 24 elders can't be angels for the Church will even judge angels (1 Corinthians 6:3).
    It is clear that the 24 elders proves that the Church is in heaven before the Tribulation. This means that the rapture has to be before the Tribulation for we see the 24 elders (Revelation 4:4) in heaven before the Tribulation starts in Revelation 6. Further proof of the Church not being in the Tribulation is that the Tribulation is a "Time of Jacob's Trouble" (Jeremiah 30:7). The seventy weeks prophecy is for Israel (Daniel 9:24) and that includes the seventieth week, which is the Tribulation. We see that Israel not the Church will endure the Tribulation. The Church is promised present-day Tribulation (Revelation 2:10) but Israel is warned of the Tribulation (Daniel 12:1; Matthew 24:21). There is no warning for the Church about the Tribulation. The Church was promised that they "will judge the world" (1 Corinthians 6:2) and "will judge angels" (1 Corinthians 6:3). Revelation 20:4 says, "Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them." This is probably referring to the 24 elders so if the Church was promised that they will judge the world and angels and if Revelation 20:4 confirms this through the 24 elders then the Church then this proves that the 24 elders represent the Church. The 24 elders points to the belief that the rapture is before the Tribulation
  5. And If you read what the news song is that the elders sing really describes the church to the > T< And they sang a new song, saying: "You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals, because you were slain, and with your blood you purchased for God persons from every tribe and language and people and nation. Enjoy
  6. I am one of the "so called Christians" who believes that the doctrine of the rapture is misguided and detrimental to the witness of the church today. Can I gently suggest that you take more care in how you speak of others you disagree with?

    The judgement seat is where all who belong to Christ give an account of their lives and are rewarded accordingly.>>>NO>>>> Only the Church gets crowns and gets to sing a new song!! I hope I have proved my point but some are vey stuck in their twisted theology that you can bring them to the living waters but can you make them drink?? and it happens before Jacobs troubles. Enjoy
  7. I'm going to do a thread about the e38 war where there is a hint of the Rapture {its very Intro if you just open your heart and your spirit to the Holy Ghost}
  8. Can you tell what is wrong with the way I described the judgement?

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