ALL Modern Bible Versions are corrupted?

[Coconut]

"i have been reading through this thread and have only come up with one thought. thee will be fallacies anywhere there is human interaction."

well said

"It's the Holy Spirit who is "better", or should I say "best". and AMEN!

 

[Friarbob]

Chad:
I believe speaking truth in defense of defamation is required of us. When we fail to do this we are in danger of being ashamed of God or Christ and Christ said that "If any man be ashamed of me I will be ashamed of him before my Father in heaven."
Gayle Riplinger's book "New Age Bible Versions"; does an extensive, detailed and thoroughly researched analysis of the various bible versions in print. Anyone wanting to really understand the origins of our bible versions should examine her evidence and check her sources and then decide what to rely on.
Finally we should all remember that;
Ps 12:6-7
6 The words of the LORD are pure words : as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.KJV

What was Gail's credentials to make critisism of modern translations? I s she a hebrew and greek scholar?I have heard thar she is not either. Now here is a thought for KJVO advocates why don't you sponsor a new modern english translation based on the textus receptus or is it because there are no reputable biblical language scolars that hold to the KJVO position I have posted this challenge in some other forums. so far no replies in over a week I believe the KJVO people are going to eventually be forced to do this or else after a few more generations th KJV rnglish is going to become totally incomprehensible to say a 26th century bible reader if if the Lord doesnt return by then. after all englist is a living language that is undergoing change all the time, Don't get me wrong I love the KJV, but it is only one of many translations.

 

[kindsfater]

Your big words confuse me. I'm just a simple cave man.

HA!!! That's soooo funny!!! I've only ever heard one other person use this quote and it was my husband. Thanks for the comic relief in such a tense thread!

 

[Chad]

If this thread were a room, and we were people inside it.

Every word of our conversation and opinions were recorded,

Jesus enters, he reads it.

What would he say?

He never said follow religion, or christianity, or the KJV or NIV. He said to follow him.

God Bless

I would like to add maybe by spirit be it good or bad but you sound like a group of Pharisees to me arguing over words. Not brothers in Christ.

You won the award for best comment / response on KJV vs Modern Bible Translation topics

Amen to that

 

[Richard]

If the KJV is the "only" proper translation of the Bible, does that mean that you believe that prior to the year 1611, God had left his people without an accurate version of the Bible?
What about other languages?
The KJV is an english translation, but what about the other languages? Are they left without an accurate version of God's written testimony?
It is also interesting that there are factions within the KJVO camp - some believe that only the 1611 version of the KJV is the truly correct one, and the KJV is not acceptable.
Sometimes it is good to see what spirit is behind a people group - if you sense the love, compassion, genuine-ness, humility etc. in the people, then you can take a closer look at what they are saying.
If you find fear, judgement, manipulation, self exaltation, pride, etc. in the group, maybe the Spirit of God is not among them, and even if there is some truth to what they are defending, it is coming through a dirty pipe and you would do well to search for what is true elsewhere.
I know many KJVO-ers, as well as people who read whatever Bible that is in front of them. I guess the real issue is where is your heart and what is God saying to you personally...

 

[Chad]

Who confirms which Bible version / translation is the "correct" one? The original Author, the Holy Spirit. Seek the Holy Spirit of GOD for wisdom, guidance and clarification and then...

Ecclesiastes 1:13
And I gave my heart to seek and search out by wisdom concerning all things that are done under heaven: this sore travail hath God given to the sons of man to be exercised therewith.

Jeremiah 29:13
And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.

Matthew 21:22
And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.

 

[jiggyfly]

If you find fear, judgement, manipulation, self exaltation, pride, etc. in the group, maybe the Spirit of God is not among them, and even if there is some truth to what they are defending, it is coming through a dirty pipe and you would do well to search for what is true elsewhere.
I know many KJVO-ers, as well as people who read whatever Bible that is in front of them. I guess the real issue is where is your heart and what is God saying to you personally...

Good post Richard.

Who confirms which Bible version / translation is the "correct" one? The original Author, the Holy Spirit. Seek the Holy Spirit of GOD for wisdom, guidance and clarification and then...

Amen Chad.

No matter what translation of the bible you read, Revelation comes from the Holy Spirit and if you don't yield to what is revealed to you, what is the purpose?

 

[KJV]

I would like to here a reply on this question though... Did any of those thirty critisize the KJV?
May God bless you in all you do,
Nigh[/QUOTE]
James White, D A Carson, Kregel publishers and Bob Jones university; have all done extensive critiques of the KJV only veiw.
I have read all of them except the most recent Bob Jones one. I have also read the answers to them by KJV onlyites.
They basically try to popularize the false unbelieving textual criticism theories, in a simplified way; for modern evangelical believers, who don't realize the older veiw of Burgon is more true to the evidence and to the logic of faith.
They are not hard to refute. For example a lynchpin of their system is the "lucian recension" the idea that the majority text was put together late by a church council. There is not a grain of sand of evidence for this but there is much to refute it. For example the quotes of the church fathers and the early versions.
The holders of the critical theories believe that the original text was "neutral" and the fuller orthodoxy of the (Majority, Byzantine, Traditional, Recieved) text is due to pius believers attempting to back up orthodoxy.
Basically the original NT is an uninspired work of literature, with no preservation of the Holy Spirit, or attacks of the devil; evidant in its textual history.
God bless you all,
Love,
KJV

 

[KJV]

The last sentence of my last post is not my opinion but reflects the modern textual criticism which dominates in academic circles. It would be unusual to find someone who knew anything other than this veiw, because it is taught as a dogma like the evolutionary hypothesis

 

[living]

That is a very evil thing to change or alter God's word. Or to interpret the God's word wrongly and to hide the Truth to achieve our desires/purposes.
If there is God's word, it must be stated as it is. And humans additions must be avoided in all cases.

 

[jiggyfly]

Brooke Foss Westcott (1825-1901) and Fenton John Anthony Hort (1828-1892) were the two English "scholars" who produced the corrupt Greek text of the modern versions. Their dominating influence on the revision committee of 1871-1881 accounts for most of the corruption that we have today in modern translations. The Bible believer should keep several points in mind when discussing these two men. The following information is well documented in Final Authority, by William Grady, and in Riplinger's New Age Bible Versions:

1. Together, the Life and Letters of Brooke Foss Westcott and the Life and Letters of Fenton John Anthony Hort run over 1,800 pages. A personal salvation testimony is not given once for either man, and the name "Jesus" is found only nine times!

2. Westcott was a firm believer in Mary worship, and Hort claimed that Mary worship had a lot in common with Jesus worship.

3. Hort believed in keeping Roman Catholic sacraments.

4. Hort believed in baptismal regeneration as taught in the Catholic church.

5. Hort rejected the infallibility of Scripture.

6. Hort took great interest in the works of Charles Darwin, while both he and Westcott rejected the literal account of Creation.

7. Westcott did not believe in the Second Coming of Christ, the Millennium, or a literal Heaven.

8. Both men rejected the doctrine of a literal Hell, and they supported prayers for the dead in purgatory.

9. Hort refused to believe in the Trinity.

10. Hort refused to believe in angels.

11. Westcott confessed that he was a communist by nature.

12. Hort confessed that he hated democracy in all it's forms.

13. Westcott also did his share of beer drinking. In fact, only twelve years after the Revised Version was published, Westcott was a spokesman for a brewery.

14. While working on their Greek text (1851-1871), and while working on the Revision Committee for the Revised Version (1871-1881), Westcott and Hort were also keeping company with "seducing spirits and doctrines of devils" (I Tim. 4:1). Both men took great interest in occult practices and clubs. They started the Hermes Club in 1845, the Ghostly Guild in 1851, and Hort joined a secret club called The Apostles in the same year. They also started the Eranus Club in 1872. These were spiritualists groups which believed in such unscriptural practices as communicating with the dead (necromancy).

15. The Westcott and Hort Greek text was SECRETLY given to the Revision Committee.

16. The members of the Revision Committee of 1881 were sworn to a pledge of secrecy in regard to the new Greek text being used, and they met in silence for ten years.

17. The corrupt Greek text of Westcott and Hort was not released to the public until just five days before the debut of the Revised Version. This prevented Bible-believing scholars like Dean Burgon from reviewing it and exposing it for the piece of trash that it was.

QUESTION: Does this sound like an HONEST work of God or a DISHONEST work of the Devil?

It sounds like KJVO propaganda, Have you actually studied this or just googled it.

 

[Chad]

It sounds like KJVO propaganda, Have you actually studied this or just googled it.

Regardless, this KVJO member is bumping up various 2 year old threads related to translations and promoting his personal KJVO agenda. Non-sense.

Thread closed.

 

[Chad]

It sounds like KJVO propaganda, Have you actually studied this or just googled it.

By the way, it was not researched at all. It was only Googled just like you said. I found the page the info was copied from and not given credit for, wrongly so.

Fighting Back! A Handy Reference Guide For King James Bible Believers

"Fighting Back!
A Handy Reference For King James Bible Believers"

While I read the KJV myself and enjoy it so, I don't feel the need to go around parading "KJVO" and using other people's article with giving credit to them nor researching, just copying/pasting a "handy reference".