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A while back we did a thread on monergism vs synergism vs autogism.
Fancy word that simply mean 3 points of view.
pertaining to Salvation --
God does it all - monergism (Mono = God alone)
Man does it all - autogism (auto = self)
Both have a shared responsibility in the end result - synergysm. (synergy = two sources)
This is probably the biggest thing that divides the church today is these points of view.
These idealogogies are called by many names. Calvinism, Armenianism, and Wesleyism if you are inclined to attach a particular teaching to a man.
There aren't really many Christian churches that beieve in autogism. Virtually none claim to believe in it anyway.
The biggest problem with this, is if man can do it alone... what do we need Jesus for? And yet many people in the world say, I don't need Jesus because "I am a good person".
In fact this is mostly a non-Christian view.
Monogism is a big part of Calvinism. God does it all. There are different levels of Calvinism, but at the heart of it it always goes back to God does it all.
In Calvinism nothing I do really matters. None of my righteousness depends on me, All I really have to do is believe in Jesus, He does the rest.
The biggest problem with this then becomes... I can live however I want, do whatever I want, sin all I want, and I never "lose" my salvation, because none of it depends on me anyway.
Generally people who believe this, believe we are saved by grace.. "alone", and by faith.."alone". (two alones? hmmm)
There is a large part of Calvinist who would say ... well if you're doing those things you never were saved... well OK, but you're basing their salvation on their actions.. "works".
These people would say something like "if you were really saved, you wouldn't live like that". They agree that murderers, adulterers, homosexuals and child molesters
who are still doing those things are not saved. But again, you are basing their salvation on what they are doing rather than grace alone and/or faith alone.
The Bible says even the demons believe, but they aren't saved. So if it's faith alone... why aren't they saved? James 2:19;
James in chapter 2 goes so far as to say is is NOT by faith alone, but by faith and works.
Matt 7:21-23; talks about people who do things in Jesus's name (obviously they believed in Him) but yet they are not saved. Why not if it truly is grace/faith alone.
The phrase "grace alone" does not appear in the Bible anywhere, yet you hear it quoted often. The only verse in the Bible that has "faith" and "alone" in it says we
are not saved by "faith alone". ( James 2:24; )
You have parables like the sheep and the goats which seem to say... it doesn't matter if you believe in Jesus or not, if you don't help people in need you aren't saved.
Another parable is the talents, two good servants invested themselves, one lazy servant did nothing, yet all started out with something given to them.
Yet another parable says the master waters and fertilzes the tree, He comes around looking for fruit by finds none. Guess what happens to the trees that refuse to bear fruit.
John says if we say we know Jesus but don't keep His commandments you're a liar and the truth is not in you. ( 1 John 2:4; )
Jesus asks people why do you call me Lord and not do what I say? ( Luke 6:46; )
Paul says what matters is keeping the commandments. (1 Cor 7:19; )
Some people believe the teachings of Jesus don't matter anymore, yet Jesus said...
Matt 24:35; "Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away.
Jesus's word and teachings will still matter even after the earth passes away. In fact Jesus gives the great commission.. "after" He was resurrected.
Matt 28:18; And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.
Matt 28:19; "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,
Matt 28:20; teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age."
Jesus didn't just say go to Israel, He said go to ALL the nations. He didn't just say tell them to believe in Me, He said teach them to do the things I commanded.
Remember He said this AFTER He was resurrected, not before.
Jesus, Peter, James, Paul and John all say we need to keep the commandments. That's most of the apostles that wrote in the Bible plus Jesus.
.. to be continued ...
Fancy word that simply mean 3 points of view.
pertaining to Salvation --
God does it all - monergism (Mono = God alone)
Man does it all - autogism (auto = self)
Both have a shared responsibility in the end result - synergysm. (synergy = two sources)
This is probably the biggest thing that divides the church today is these points of view.
These idealogogies are called by many names. Calvinism, Armenianism, and Wesleyism if you are inclined to attach a particular teaching to a man.
There aren't really many Christian churches that beieve in autogism. Virtually none claim to believe in it anyway.
The biggest problem with this, is if man can do it alone... what do we need Jesus for? And yet many people in the world say, I don't need Jesus because "I am a good person".
In fact this is mostly a non-Christian view.
Monogism is a big part of Calvinism. God does it all. There are different levels of Calvinism, but at the heart of it it always goes back to God does it all.
In Calvinism nothing I do really matters. None of my righteousness depends on me, All I really have to do is believe in Jesus, He does the rest.
The biggest problem with this then becomes... I can live however I want, do whatever I want, sin all I want, and I never "lose" my salvation, because none of it depends on me anyway.
Generally people who believe this, believe we are saved by grace.. "alone", and by faith.."alone". (two alones? hmmm)
There is a large part of Calvinist who would say ... well if you're doing those things you never were saved... well OK, but you're basing their salvation on their actions.. "works".
These people would say something like "if you were really saved, you wouldn't live like that". They agree that murderers, adulterers, homosexuals and child molesters
who are still doing those things are not saved. But again, you are basing their salvation on what they are doing rather than grace alone and/or faith alone.
The Bible says even the demons believe, but they aren't saved. So if it's faith alone... why aren't they saved? James 2:19;
James in chapter 2 goes so far as to say is is NOT by faith alone, but by faith and works.
Matt 7:21-23; talks about people who do things in Jesus's name (obviously they believed in Him) but yet they are not saved. Why not if it truly is grace/faith alone.
The phrase "grace alone" does not appear in the Bible anywhere, yet you hear it quoted often. The only verse in the Bible that has "faith" and "alone" in it says we
are not saved by "faith alone". ( James 2:24; )
You have parables like the sheep and the goats which seem to say... it doesn't matter if you believe in Jesus or not, if you don't help people in need you aren't saved.
Another parable is the talents, two good servants invested themselves, one lazy servant did nothing, yet all started out with something given to them.
Yet another parable says the master waters and fertilzes the tree, He comes around looking for fruit by finds none. Guess what happens to the trees that refuse to bear fruit.
John says if we say we know Jesus but don't keep His commandments you're a liar and the truth is not in you. ( 1 John 2:4; )
Jesus asks people why do you call me Lord and not do what I say? ( Luke 6:46; )
Paul says what matters is keeping the commandments. (1 Cor 7:19; )
Some people believe the teachings of Jesus don't matter anymore, yet Jesus said...
Matt 24:35; "Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away.
Jesus's word and teachings will still matter even after the earth passes away. In fact Jesus gives the great commission.. "after" He was resurrected.
Matt 28:18; And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.
Matt 28:19; "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,
Matt 28:20; teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age."
Jesus didn't just say go to Israel, He said go to ALL the nations. He didn't just say tell them to believe in Me, He said teach them to do the things I commanded.
Remember He said this AFTER He was resurrected, not before.
Jesus, Peter, James, Paul and John all say we need to keep the commandments. That's most of the apostles that wrote in the Bible plus Jesus.
.. to be continued ...