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A Choice in the Matter

Ncdataman

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If the church were to give awards like the movie industry gives Oscars, I think Judas Iscariot would have won the "best actor" category for all time, because that is what Judas was. He was a phenomenal actor.

As one of the most mysterious and paradoxical people in the Bible, Judas Iscariot was notorious for his wickedness and treachery. You might even say that he was the traitor's traitor. We know that his life ended miserably in suicide because he betrayed the Lord for 30 pieces of silver.

Yet there was more to Judas than that. If we could be transported back in time and observe the 12 disciples, I think most of us would have had a hard time picking out Judas Iscariot.

We tend to envision him as a sinister-looking guy with shifty eyes. But I think He came off as a man who was upright, seemingly very considerate, and devout in his faith.

There are people like Judas in our churches today. They talk the talk. They carry their Bibles. They sing the songs. But underneath, they are phonies. They fool only themselves.

Judas had the privilege of being one of Jesus Christ's 12 disciples—handpicked by the Lord—yet he went and betrayed Him. There was a definite progression—or regression—to Judas' sin, starting with subtle shades of hypocrisy and culminating in full-blown possession by Satan.

Judas could go deeper into sin because he never really knew Jesus. Sure, he knew about Him. He could have even been considered an expert on Jesus, given the fact that he had walked with Him and been with Him in every conceivable circumstance for three years. But Judas never really knew the Lord.

There was a progression, and Judas reached this point of betrayal over a period of time. The Bible says, "There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is the way of death" (Proverbs 14:12 NKJV).

Let me give you an example. On one occasion, Jesus went to visit his close friends, Mary, Martha, and Lazarus. Martha saw an opportunity to cook up a fine meal for the Lord. Meanwhile, her sister Mary saw an opportunity to sit at the feet of the Lord and spend time with Him. She wanted to do something significant, profound, and sacrificial for Jesus, so she took a very costly jar of ointment and began to anoint His feet, wiping them with her hair.

As everyone watched this incredible sight, an indignant Judas remarked, "Why was this fragrant oil not sold for three hundred denarii and given to the poor?" (John 12:4 NKJV) That sounded very spiritual, and Mark's Gospel tells us the others even agreed with him and joined in the criticism.

But John's Gospel gives us a significant detail regarding why Judas said what he said: "This he said, not that he cared for the poor, but because he was a thief, and had the money box; and he used to take what was put in it" (12:4 NKJV).

Things are not always as they appear. She who appeared frivolous and extravagant was the spiritual one, while he who appeared thrifty and spiritual wasn't spiritual at all.

Jesus rebuked all of them and said, "Let her alone; she has kept this for the day of My burial. For the poor you have with you always, but Me you do not have always" (vv. 7–8).

This warning went unheeded by Judas, and as we see here, it was Judas' love of earthly things that caused him to betray the heavenly.

Judas had a choice in the matter. He didn't have to betray the Lord. John 13:2 tells us that the devil had already put it in Judas' heart to betray the Lord. He could have resisted this. Instead, he gave in and thus was responsible for his own actions.

Later, Satan actually entered Judas (see Luke 22:3). But prior to this, he had a choice. But he didn't exercise that choice and ended up doing the wrong thing.

On the night that Jesus was betrayed and arrested, two people failed the Lord. One was Judas. The other was Peter. One went out and hung himself. The other—after coming to his senses, going back to the Lord, and seeking His forgiveness—went into the open arms of Jesus.

At the crossroads, Peter and Judas parted ways forever. One went into the light. And the other went into the night.
 
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That is very good!!! Great post!!

Some say that oil was a years wage, or about 20,000 to 40,000 by today's money. Some think that Jesus should have agreed with Judas and sold it to the poor, now would have been a great time for Jesus to set the Record straight on ministers having or using nice things. He knew though that God is not broke, and can bless his anointed and get money for the poor. Those that covet money, and don't have thousands and thousands coming in are the ones that have that spirit of Judas, with a broke mentality telling others they are wasteful. God should only have the best money can buy, it's going to get burned up anyway.

Judas had a choice in the matter. He didn't have to betray the Lord. John 13:2 tells us that the devil had already put it in Judas' heart to betray the Lord. He could have resisted this. Instead, he gave in and thus was responsible for his own actions.

This one has bugged me............. God wants all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth.

Jesus said he just lost one so that SCRIPTURE can be fulfilled.
Act 1:25
That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.

Could Judas change his mind? Was Judas something else the whole time? I have heard theory's, but someone to fall so that Scripture can be fulfilled Does not come in line with other scriptures.....
The Bible can not contradict, so there is more I need to know.
 
As everyone watched this incredible sight, an indignant Judas remarked, "Why was this fragrant oil not sold for three hundred denarii and given to the poor?" (John 12:4 NKJV) That sounded very spiritual, and Mark's Gospel tells us the others even agreed with him and joined in the criticism.


"Why was this fragrant oil not sold for three hundred denarii and given to the poor?"


Money without care......."Not that he cared for the poor", as recorded else where "not thet he cared"

Such is the hireling ministry......."without care"
 
I think those who argue that one cannot lose his/her salvation ought to look at the story of Judas. Sure, he probably didn't say a sinner's prayer or answer an altar call , but, he'd spent three years with Jesus and, being one of the twelve, he had received power to cast out demons and heal diseases (see Lk 9:1).This leads me to believe that in the beginning he was a true believer.

"Still others, like seed sown among thorns, hear the word; but the worries of this life, the deceitfulness of wealth, and the desire fo other things come in and choke the word, making it unfruitful." (Mk 4:18-19)

SLE
 
Judas saved?

Judas was saved?

funny, Jesus had yet to go to the cross.

Jesus gave them the power to cast out demons and heal. His name also carried authority as others out of their group were using it.

Doing miracles has nothing to do with salvation. Making Jesus Lord did.

Also Jesus said he lost one that scripture might be fulfilled, and in acts we find that Judas went to HIS PLACE.

What was Judas really?

Jesus Is Lord.
 
Greetings,

that's a good question, what was Judas really?

But, what does it mean? I am quite convinced he was a man? Wasn't he?

Remember Pharoah? And Moses and Aaron.

Moses was funny wasn't he? Talk about making excuses! Can you imagine it? The LORD talking to Moses... I mean, THE LORD, talking to Moses... and Moses is standing there arguing the point, trying to opt out on a mission! But Pharoah.... see what the LORD says?

And the LORD said unto Moses, When thou goest to return into Egypt, see that thou do all those wonders before Pharaoh, which I have put in thine hand: but I will harden his heart, that he shall not let the people go.
Exodus 4:21 See also: Exodus 7:3 and Exodus 14:4



In John 13:2 we see the devil up to his only trick.. lies.
And supper being ended, the devil having now put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon’s son, to betray him

How could he do this to Judas who had walked and taked and dined with Jesus?

Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love Him.
Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth He any man:
But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
Do not err, my beloved brethren.

James 1:12-16


Quote :
Some think that Jesus should have agreed with Judas and sold it to the poor, now would have been a great time for Jesus to set the Record straight on ministers having or using nice things. He knew though that God is not broke, and can bless his anointed and get money for the poor. Those that covet money, and don't have thousands and thousands coming in are the ones that have that spirit of Judas, with a broke mentality telling others they are wasteful. God should only have the best money can buy, it's going to get burned up anyway.

Not so. Do you really think that God has any use for anything that money can buy? Now that is not true. I am convinced beyond any doubt that He paid the highest and only price of any value, for what He wanted.....
His Son .......for us.

Saying God is not broke likens Him to filthy lucre... and that is disgusting to say the least ... the very notion of weighing up His eternal Spirit with worldly goods is absurd.

Just now, on the next point, the world looks doomed to a depression at least as big as the 30's.... well that's what people are saying... who knows for sure, but the point being, back then, people were filling their wheel-barrows with cash, in notes, for a loaf of bread and getting nought..... I'd rather the edible bread any day.... and the Living Bread always! Poor people need much more than money, so again, limiting the Lord to money as a form of blessing is missing the point and keeping Him in the sphere of the limitations of the world.

Remember the devil's temptation he tried on Jesus?
Again, the devil taketh Him (Jesus) up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth Him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
And saith unto Him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.

Matthew 4:8-9

To which Jesus said..... Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and Him only shalt thou serve.
Then the devil leaveth Him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto Him.

Matthew 4:10-11

The point behind the oil is not the cash.... it's the heart.
It was not the value in money, but the value in quality that mattered, for it was the best the woman had.... perhaps the best anyone could have... and it was prophetic pointing to the embalming of the Lord in death..... and money had nothing to do with it.
When a person dies, one we love dearly, what price do we count their worth? I don't think it comes into it.. for love is a different language.... a different word.

God judges the heart , NOT the bank balance.

Romans 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.


Bless you ....><>

Br. Bear


For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
Matthew 6:21
 
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