A BLATANT ERROR IN THE NEW BIBLES

[Christ4Ever]

Churches that teach for doctrine what was commanded Israel, not the body of Christ. They teach water baptism as an example. Paul never commands water baptism

I'm going back to this one, because though Paul never commanded it exactly, he did talk of it, and also did it.

[Rom 6:3-4 KJV] 3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

[Gal 3:26-29 KJV] 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
[1Co 12:12-13 KJV] 12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also [is] Christ. 13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether [we be] Jews or Gentiles, whether [we be] bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

This last one should actually suffice it to say that if Paul and Silas were doing it, then it is acceptable to do.

[Act 16:29-33 KJV] 29 Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas, 30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? 31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. 32 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house. 33 And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed [their] stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway.

Now on a final note, because I'm sure you will bring up the following, I will say this is why context is important to what we read in Scripture. Isolated (v17), it would appear that baptism was not something he considered to be done, but contextually you would understand why Paul said what he said. At the time in the church in Corinth, people were being prideful concerning who they had been baptized by, as if that was of importance over the Gospel not understanding that it was an act of obedience. Paul understood the necessity of it, and what it represented. Our God is orderly, and everything has its proper place brother.

[1Co 1:13-17 KJV] 13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul? 14 I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius; 15 Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name. 16 And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other. 17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Moderator
Nick
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[DougE]

[Rom 6:3-4 KJV] 3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

[Gal 3:26-29 KJV] 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
[1Co 12:12-13 KJV] 12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also [is] Christ. 13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether [we be] Jews or Gentiles, whether [we be] bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

These verses aren't water baptism. 1 Corinthians 12:13 says it's a Spirit baptism.
[Colossians 2:12 KJV] "Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with [him] through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead." ******** its by faith in the operation of God not water

 

[DougE]

[Act 16:29-33 KJV] 29 Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas, 30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? 31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. 32 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house. 33 And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed [their] stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway.

We have to be careful forming doctrine from Acts. Acts is an account of the fall of Israel, Paul baptized them at this stage because that was commanded Israel. No where in Paul's epistles does he say to be water baptized nor give instructions on how to do it.

 

[DougE]

At the time in the church in Corinth, people were being prideful concerning who they had been baptized by, as if that was of importance over the Gospel not understanding that it was an act of obedience.

Please explain an act of obedience

 

[DougE]

Paul understood the necessity of it, and what it represented

Please elaborate why necessary and what ir represented

 

[DougE]

[1Co 1:13-17 KJV] 13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul? 14 I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius; 15 Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name. 16 And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other. 17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

They were following who baptized them

Paul was admonishing them to follow him

[1 Corinthians 4:15 KJV] "For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet [have ye] not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel."
[1 Corinthians 4:16 KJV] "Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me."

[1 Corinthians 11:1 KJV] "Be ye followers of me, even as I also [am] of Christ."

 

[DougE]

I'm going back to this one, because though Paul never commanded it exactly, he did talk of it, and also did it.

[Rom 6:3-4 KJV] 3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

[Gal 3:26-29 KJV] 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
[1Co 12:12-13 KJV] 12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also [is] Christ. 13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether [we be] Jews or Gentiles, whether [we be] bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

This last one should actually suffice it to say that if Paul and Silas were doing it, then it is acceptable to do.

[Act 16:29-33 KJV] 29 Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas, 30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? 31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. 32 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house. 33 And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed [their] stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway.

Now on a final note, because I'm sure you will bring up the following, I will say this is why context is important to what we read in Scripture. Isolated (v17), it would appear that baptism was not something he considered to be done, but contextually you would understand why Paul said what he said. At the time in the church in Corinth, people were being prideful concerning who they had been baptized by, as if that was of importance over the Gospel not understanding that it was an act of obedience. Paul understood the necessity of it, and what it represented. Our God is orderly, and everything has its proper place brother.

[1Co 1:13-17 KJV] 13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul? 14 I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius; 15 Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name. 16 And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other. 17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Moderator
Nick
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Now I have questions for you Nick

You being a moderator is there an agenda behind your contact and questions or were you just interested?
Why did you bring up KJV only?

 

[Bill]

Dear @DougE
First, it is not necessary to create a new post for every portion of a post that you want to respond to. If it makes it easier for you to track and respond to, then so be it. I can work with that as well. Just remember to keep it in context to the whole.

Which by the way is how we need to consider Doctrine. One must consider that Doctrine is the method and subject being taught. That in itself "What makes/is a Doctrine?" can be a subject onto itself that can cover many a posting trying to explain. First and foremost, whose doctrine are you talking about in stating the following:

Oh, and please don't say the doctrine found in the Bible! Depending on the teacher/denomination/church you very well may find a rather varied list of doctrines believed, and how they are supported scripturally, to be true or excluded all together! Which latter part I'm sure you are getting at.

So, identify the doctrine, then the verses supporting said teaching. I agree that comparing one verse to another can sometimes dilute a teaching, while omitting a verse can lead to distortion. However, the core message will remain intact if the doctrine is well thought out and presented by a speaker or writer in a contextual way to the whole. After all, creating a doctrine from just one verse can be in and of itself a distortion to the entirety of scripture regardless of how accurate it may be in the translation.

Should I speak about how each doctrine being spoken of, needs to be consistent with any other doctrine? I hope not!

This is why translations may vary for a number of reasons, which I have previously mentioned a few, yet still maintain consistency when conveying and teaching a particular doctrine accurately and as intended. This is why I don’t recommend paraphrased Bibles, as they often reflect the translator’s interpretation of the manuscripts or other Bibles used as the basis for their work, and can end up expressing only the author’s own thoughts and beliefs.


Would you mind explaining what determines for you as being accurate and reliable?

Just don't say, if it is not the KJV then it's not accurate. Because if I were to show you inaccuracies in the KJV to the original manuscripts being used, would you then change your mind? lol Don't worry that is not what I'll do. Maybe when I was younger and felt the need to take on a challenge, I might have. But with age has come greater wisdom from God, especially when it comes to clashing with someone I believe is a brother in Christ. Beating each other over Bible translations only leads to confusion and rarely brings clarity or accomplishes much.

Note: If you search this site, you'll see you're not the first, and certainly won't be the last, to bring up this subject. If it has you grow in the Word, then have at it. However, if it is to just push a doctrine of your own making or some other individual, then please don't.



Part of me doesn't even want to answer this, in case you really don't know! If you didn’t know that there are many different versions of the Bible, each with its own set of books considered canon by various churches, you’re in for a surprise! This can be a project in itself for you if you didn't realize that.

If you say none of that matters and insist on KJV only, then you’re just pushing an agenda rather than genuinely trying to help anyone grow in the knowledge of the Word of God.



Well said Brother Doug.

Who is the Word of God?



Apologies. Let me attempt to explain. I’m guessing your concern isn’t just about words being omitted or altered from the KJV, but also that the translators may not have been fully faithful to the actual manuscripts they used.

It's a conundrum brother Doug that we are faced with. For it is not only manuscripts, but the Greek being used, and the translator of said documents that is telling us what it would mean in the English. Then you have old English vs modern...



You realize that when 2 Timothy was written that the Bible as we know it now was in the possession of "no one"? So, I ask you what Scripture was Paul speaking of when he penned the above?



Here are two words to look up. They might seem very similar, but they’re not. With some thoughtful reflection guided by the Holy Spirit, the differences should become clear and what I wrote earlier will make more sense.

Exegesis and Eisegesis

I hope this all-in-one post doesn't make it more difficult for you to digest. I find it much easier doing it this way, though I never know how long it may when I start typing! lol

Thank-you for responding brother, and God bless you and yours in Christ Jesus.
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Nick
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May Jesus fill us with his love and wisdom

I think it's important to keep the core understanding of everything that is to be Christian as the core of each of the scriptures from all the different Bibles. That is , In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. Gospel of John 1:1

And then going on from there that we recognize the fact that Jesus came into the world for our salvation. That he was born as a human became flesh.

That he died on the cross for us, for the Forgiveness of sins. That he rose from the dead , and that he is with with his Father in Heaven. This is the very core of Christianity. That we believe this and received this into our hearts.

It's after we go beyond the Core teaching where everybody starts going their different directions with their different understandings of things Different beliefs and things. I don't really see that God condemns people so much for having different aspects so long as the wholeness of the Core message is intact.

This is why I cannot condemn my brothers and sisters, in the Protestant faiths, is each of them are exploring their understanding of scripture. They're understanding of how God reaches out to them. I guess it to me it's kind of like a symphony of music.