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A Biblical verse on accepting our gay brethren: Acts 8:26-40

One is a childhood friend whom I have loved for a lifetime. His choices are his own that doesn't make me love him any less.

The other is extended family and I will treat him with respect and love and be his friend.


There is a song by Casting Crowns called "Jesus, friend of sinners" and there is a lyric that to me is significant. So l say lets let the world know we are Christians by our love...let's be fishers of men and catch 'em... and Let GOD clean 'em.

"Jesus, friend of sinners, the one who's writing in the sand
Made the righteous turn away and the stones fall from their hands
Help us to remember we are all the least of these
Let the memory of Your mercy bring Your people to their knees
Nobody knows what we're for only what we're against when we judge the wounded
What if we put down our signs crossed over the lines and loved like You did


Oh Jesus, friend of sinners
Open our eyes to world at the end of our pointing fingers
Let our hearts be led by mercy
Help us reach with open hearts and open doors
Oh Jesus, friend of sinners, break our hearts for what breaks yours"
 
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It's interesting that while Jesus loves sinners and seekers, he doesn't show as much love for those who know the truth but reject it. (can you say Pharisee?)
We aren't supposed to judge sinners, we are supposed to show them love. However we are supposed to judge others in the church if they claim to be Christians.

1 Cor 5:9 I wrote you in my letter not to associate with immoral people;
1 Cor 5:10; I did not at all mean with the immoral people of this world, or with the covetous and swindlers, or with idolaters, for then you would have to go out of the world.
1 Cor 5:11; But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is an immoral person, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler--not even to eat with such a one.
1 Cor 5:12; For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church?
1 Cor 5:13; But those who are outside, God judges. REMOVE THE WICKED MAN FROM AMONG YOURSELVES.

Matt 18:15; "If your brother sins, go and show him his fault in private; if he listens to you, you have won your brother.
Matt 18:16; "But if he does not listen to you, take one or two more with you, so that BY THE MOUTH OF TWO OR THREE WITNESSES EVERY FACT MAY BE CONFIRMED.
Matt 18:17; "If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.

Tit 1:10; For there are many rebellious men, empty talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision,
Tit 1:11; who must be silenced because they are upsetting whole families, teaching things they should not teach for the sake of sordid gain.
Tit 1:16; They profess to know God, but by their deeds they deny Him, being detestable and disobedient and worthless for any good deed.

Rom 1:26; For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural,
Rom 1:27; and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
Rom 1:32; and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, not only those who practice these things, but even those who give approval to those who practice them.

That last verse is interesting, read it again out loud. @Strypes does make a good point though. Many of us in the church are too quick to judge the un-saved and judge them before even giving them
a chance to know the truth. I suppose we should even give a little grace during a transition period until they've come to know Jesus and the Bible
better. Sometimes this is harder for some churches than loving the un-saved.

However on the other hand, if they know the Bible well enough to start quoting scriptures and say they have been saved for a while, maybe it's
time to point out certain verses (in love of course) but if they still refuse to accept the truth... well,I for one would follow the scriptures above.
 
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Of all the things which I have seen by this to me is the most disturbing! Using scripture to twist sin? The judgement part I sure understand! But in the Church I also understand that sin allowed means a little leaven is also allowed( gal 5:9, 1 cor 5:6-13!!!!!) Outside of the church this is another matter but sure not inside the Church!( 1 peter 4:17-18) and you should know better then to blend sin in the church with sin in the world! There is no mix,nor can this be condoned in the church whatsoever!

For if a person continues to allow sin in the church then the whole body will suffer because of this. Scripture says what it means and means what it says( rom 1:20-32!!!) For those who believe it is alright to continue in the flesh becoming a member of any body of Christ,you hurt the entire Body of Christ! Hence why so many churches are in the condition they are in right now! So I strongly warn you not to deceive the rest here,or action will be taken! There is no judgement outside the body of Christ! Of this I sure agree whole heartly on! But you could not be more wrong thinking this can at all translate to the Church itself,for if it does, then the head of the Church our Jesus( col 1:17-18!!) would become part of this as well and make him a part of the very same sin!

That is why in the church there is a order!!( matt 18:15-18!!) One cannot mix old wine with new.There is no gay brothers or sisters! For if there are,then Christ himself would be the same!!( 1 cor 6:16-17!!) Jesus does not join himself to any sin.No should his children!! That is the difference between those who say they believe and those who live there belief!( james 1:22)( james 2:19-26!!) Our work is to believe!( john 6:28-29!!) Believing acts upon believing!Abraham was not called the friend of God because he said he believed, he was called the friend of God because he acted upon what he truly did believe!!

And so shall we! It is so rare I bring a strong rebuke to any here,but in this case I sure believe one is truly merited! Be not deceived!! God is not mocked! for whatsoever a man sows that shall he truly reap!( gal 6:7-10!!) I am speaking of inside the Church here,not outside the church. Those in the Church are accountable whether they believe themselves to be or not! It is a LAW of the SPIRIT! And so our are words!!( matt 12:35-37!)
 
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They both already know what the Bible says on the subject.

I show them love by being their friend and accepting them as they are.
I can see where you are a very loving, caring person and God truly loves you for that. And because of his love, I would think he has higher standards for you.
I agree with the love and being their friend but where we differ is the accepting them the way they are part. For a person who claims to be Christian but wilfully sins, supposedly with Christ in them, is not a situation than I would "just" accept. Being their friend, I would try to help them and explain to them the Bible is very clear, that no person who openly and wilfully sins, any sin, will enter the gates of heaven. God loves every sinner but he has a hell and set the standards that we are to accept, not because of some social justice theology.
If you love them so much, why not help them to be truly repentant. If they refuse that is their decision, their choice. You can do your part in the highest love and compassion but, if you are their friend and refuse to help them, then their is some responsibilty that you share.
Let's love them enough to help them see the error of their ways, maybe play some small role in their change or regeneration and hopefully we can enjoy eternity with them.
Remember this, there will be no homosexuals in heaven, why not help affect a change now?
 
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Was Jesus friendly to the un-saved? Of course.
( Matt 9:10-13; Matt 11:19; Mark 2:15-17; Luke 7:34; Luke 15:1-2; )
However he didn't let them continue in their sins.
( John 5:14; John 8:11; John 8:34; John 15:22-25; Mark 10:21; Luke 18:22; Matt 18:15; etc.. )

Heb 10:26; For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27; but a terrifying expectation of judgment and THE FURY OF A FIRE WHICH WILL CONSUME THE ADVERSARIES.
Heb 10:28; Anyone who has set aside the Law of Moses dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses.
Heb 10:29; How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace?
Heb 10:30; For we know Him who said, "VENGEANCE IS MINE, I WILL REPAY." And again, "THE LORD WILL JUDGE HIS PEOPLE."
Heb 10:31; It is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Acts 3:19; "Therefore repent and return, so that your sins may be wiped away, in order that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord;

2 Pet 2:20; For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world by the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and are overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first.
2 Pet 2:21; For it would be better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn away from the holy commandment handed on to them.

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1 Tim 4:1; But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons,
1 Tim 4:16; Pay close attention to yourself and to your teaching; persevere in these things, for if you do this you will ensure salvation both for yourself and for those who hear you.

2 Pet 1:10; Therefore, brethren, be all the more diligent to make certain about His calling and choosing you; for as long as you practice these things, you will never stumble;
2 Pet 1:11; for in this way the entrance into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ will be abundantly supplied to you.
 
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"Originally Posted by Strypes View Post
They both already know what the Bible says on the subject.
THey both already know but refuse to repent? <<<<<<<===I didn't say that
I show them love by being their friend and accepting them as they are."


@RJ It seems you have somehow interjected my quote with your response and it appears that I said "they both know but refuse to repent"...Would you please edit your post and correct that error?
 
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"Originally Posted by Strypes View Post
They both already know what the Bible says on the subject.
THey both already know but refuse to repent? <<<<<<<===I didn't say that
I show them love by being their friend and accepting them as they are."
@RJ It seems you have somehow interjected my quote with your response and it appears that I said "they both know but refuse to repent"...Would you please edit your post and correct that error?

O.K., you said this:
  • They both already know what the Bible says on the subject.
    I show them love by being their friend and accepting them as they are.
Sounds to me as if they were unrepentant , "accept them the way they are".
If they are Christians, repentant, otherwise hate their sin and are working with you to continue improving with their struggle and get out of their relationship, then I appologize and was wrong to think that they were not repentant and praise God for their continued growth and that they have you in their life to help show them the error of living a gay lifestyle.
 
I think that there is some confusion as to my position on the opening post of this thread.

So for clarity, let me explain.

I totally disagree with the opening post of this thread. Twisting scripture and attempting to redefine "eunuch" to promote the gay agenda is deplorable.

It is my opinion that the "gay agenda" folks are bullies and we should not compromise our faith to placate them.

From page two of this thread...

It is my opinion that God's grace is for everybody that puts their faith in Jesus. We are all sinners saved by grace.

1 John 1:9 says ..."If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

It is God's job to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

That process of getting us to the place where we are a reflection of Jesus is personal to each person. Homosexuality is not my "issue", I have my own struggles and I am thankful that God has been patient with me. I trust Him to continue to cleanse me until He sees His reflection in me.

I think the problem is that those that know the word of God and know what it says about sexual sin are being bullied by those that want to call right wrong and wrong right and force us to bow to their agenda. It seems to me that in an attempt to justify their own sin and feed the lust of their own flesh, they condemn us as homophobes and closed minded idiots. That is not very "Christlike"

Then on an individual basis, I shared that I know two gay men and I choose to love them as that is what I feel I should do. I do not treat them like the gay agenda treats Christians, I do not bully them or beat them up or rebuke them. I simply love them.

I leave an open door to them and if the Holy Spirit arranges for us to have a conversation regarding the truth of scripture then I will follow His (The Holy Spirit's) lead and share with them from scripture my concerns for them. Until such time I will continue to pray for them. I pray that God helps them to understand that He loves them and wants to help them face their sin and overcome it and become more and more like Jesus.

What concerns me is how quickly "Christians" will jump to condemn those that want a relationship with God but they have this major thorn in their flesh. It seems to me that many of you would prefer to reject them out right and not be patient with them as the Holy Spirit works in their lives.

I know what scripture says and I know that homosexuality is a sin. I do not promote "the gay lifestyle" nor do I approve of their tactics to attempt to force Christians to be politically correct according to their twisted definitions.

What I do promote is loving the individuals that God has put in our lives and trusting God to do His work in them.
 
As a prophesing Christian, I don't know where you draw the line. I do not consider homosexuals an enemy. What jesus said about enemies though is similar to accepting gay life styles. Jesus said to love your enemy but, show me where he said you were to like and accept what they do. It is not their sin as much as, for those Christian where this applies, it is their blatant denial that they will not do anything about it. They are a Christian, supposedly therefore Christ lives in them, but they acknowledge that they will do nothing to stop their sinful life style, they wilfully sin. How is that Christian? My churches Synod allows Gay Pastors, they won't discriminate based on sexual preference. Your telling me that, I am supposed to go to a church and have my Pastor preach the word of God to me but say , on the other hand, I am supposed to accept his blatant and wilfull sin.

He might as well tell me he is a cat burgular , that he likes it and is not going to stop...what's the differnce? Well, there is a difference, one is a social injustice if you disagree with it because it is not a crime, the other mainly not, it is just a crime.

I personally don't know how anyone can be a Christian, with Christ in them and wilfully sin, it is an oxy-moron to me! A Christian, who hates his sin but still struggles with it, I see a person who is regenerated, the wilfull sinner, not so much! Our Synod now wants to allow gay marriages...where do you draw the line.

Why do you keep on attending the same Church/denomination?
 
I think that there is some confusion as to my position on the opening post of this thread.

So for clarity, let me explain.

I totally disagree with the opening post of this thread. Twisting scripture and attempting to redefine "eunuch" to promote the gay agenda is deplorable.

It is my opinion that the "gay agenda" folks are bullies and we should not compromise our faith to placate them.

From page two of this thread...



Then on an individual basis, I shared that I know two gay men and I choose to love them as that is what I feel I should do. I do not treat them like the gay agenda treats Christians, I do not bully them or beat them up or rebuke them. I simply love them.

I leave an open door to them and if the Holy Spirit arranges for us to have a conversation regarding the truth of scripture then I will follow His (The Holy Spirit's) lead and share with them from scripture my concerns for them. Until such time I will continue to pray for them. I pray that God helps them to understand that He loves them and wants to help them face their sin and overcome it and become more and more like Jesus.

What concerns me is how quickly "Christians" will jump to condemn those that want a relationship with God but they have this major thorn in their flesh. It seems to me that many of you would prefer to reject them out right and not be patient with them as the Holy Spirit works in their lives.

I know what scripture says and I know that homosexuality is a sin. I do not promote "the gay lifestyle" nor do I approve of their tactics to attempt to force Christians to be politically correct according to their twisted definitions.

What I do promote is loving the individuals that God has put in our lives and trusting God to do His work in them.

So these men do not profess to be Christians?
 
So these men do not profess to be Christians?

My childhood friend does. His father is a Southern Baptist preacher and so is his brother. He accepted Christ as a teenager and "came out as gay" in his college years. He has legally married his partner. He lives in another state and we chat on facebook.

My family member ... is confused. I can't tell y'all his story as it would be a betrayal of trust. Basically, He professed belief in Christ but fell victim to hate filled Christians.. He won't step foot in a church now.

He is the reason I hold the position on this that I do.
 
My childhood friend does. His father is a Southern Baptist preacher and so is his brother. He accepted Christ as a teenager and "came out as gay" in his college years. He has legally married his partner. He lives in another state and we chat on facebook.

My family member ... is confused. I can't tell y'all his story as it would be a betrayal of trust. Basically, He professed belief in Christ but fell victim to hate filled Christians.. He won't step foot in a church now.

He is the reason I hold the position on this that I do.

What would you do i your childhood friend, who professes to be a christian and is actually a preacher, was an outspoken murderer who killed people for fun? What if he was a satan worshipper?

" But those elders who are sinning you are to reprove before everyone, so that the others may take warning" (1 Timothy 5:20)

"If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector." (Mathew 17:18)


What you need to do is rebuke that man who professes to be Christian and who is actually teaching others to do the same. And if he does not listen, then be done with him! out of love! SO he knows that what he is doing is no light matter!!!!!
 
A Biblical verse on accepting our gay brethren: Acts 8:26-40
@Aaron Lindahl

There is no such thing as 'gay brethren'.....stop promoting this falseness on Talk Jesus.

You can try to pervert the scriptures but the truth is very clear:

Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination.
Leviticus 18:22

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1 Corinthians 6:9

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them
Leviticus 20:13

For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Romans 1:26


Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Jude 1:7

The Lord died to save us from our sins and He loves us all
But that is no excuse to continue in gross sin and to pervert scripture
 
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@Aaron Lindahl

Brother, your theology is completely flawed. A friendly reminder, GOD is not mocked and no man can enter Heaven until surrendered to Jesus fully as Lord Savior.

Homosexuality is forbidden, as is any sin. Love your neighbor and accepting their sin are two different matters and do not relate to each other. Did Jesus approve of anyone's sin when He sat down with the "sick" (Mark 2:17)? No He did not.

Your title is misleading too. A person who willingly practices homosexuality is not a brethren (Matthew 12:30). A person who is an ex-homosexual that is struggling to overcome is another matter and understandable. Don't confuse the two.

Homosexuality is strictly forbidden, period. No opinions, no choice to come up with your own agenda or doctrine. Again, GOD is not mocked. Galatians 6:7

http://www.talkjesus.com/ethics-and...ical-perspective.html?highlight=homosexuality
http://www.talkjesus.com/ethics-and...considered-wrong.html?highlight=homosexuality
http://www.talkjesus.com/testimonia...ts-homosexuality.html?highlight=homosexuality
 
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What would you do i your childhood friend, who professes to be a christian and is actually a preacher, was an outspoken murderer who killed people for fun? What if he was a satan worshipper?

" But those elders who are sinning you are to reprove before everyone, so that the others may take warning" (1 Timothy 5:20)

"If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector." (Mathew 17:18)


What you need to do is rebuke that man who professes to be Christian and who is actually teaching others to do the same. And if he does not listen, then be done with him! out of love! SO he knows that what he is doing is no light matter!!!!!

His Father and his brother are both Southern Baptist Preachers. He is not.
 
His Father and his brother are both Southern Baptist Preachers. He is not.
You still need to follow the biblical guidelines on how to handle the situation. You may think that your "love" is helping win him to Christ, but all it is doing is letting him falsely believe that he is saved and further aiding his destruction. Real love will follow the word of God and rebuke him, and if he does not repent then real love will "let him be to you as a gentile or tax collector". You do this to warn him, not to spite him.
 
On December 16, 342 AD, the Christian emperors Constantius II and Constans, under advice from their bishops, issued the following edict.. a law specifically outlawing marriages between men, which had previously been legal and allowed, which reads as follows:

"When a man marries in the manner of a woman, a woman about to renounce men, what does he wish, when sex has lost its significance; when the crime is one which it is not profitable to know; when Venus is changed into another form; when love is sought and not found? We order the statutes to arise, the laws to be armed with an avenging sword, that those infamous persons who are now, or who hereafter may be guilty, shall be subjected to exquisite punishment." (Theodosian Code 9.7.3)

Then, 48 years later, Christian emperors Theodosius and Arcadius on Aug 6, 390, under the advice of their bishops, issued the following edict.. an edict that would begin an evil persecution towards gay people that would last well over a thousand years: "All persons who have the shameful custom of condemning a man's body, acting the part of a woman's to the sufferance of alien sex (for they appear not to be different from women), shall expiate a crime of this kind by being burned to death in the public sight of the people." -Codex Theodosius IX. Vii. 6

I post this so that Christians who desire to persecute or condemn gay people over the way they are born can see what happens when we desire to condemn over desiring to love, and to realize that we as Christians have a lot to atone for all the violence and murder done in Christ's name to homosexual people over the past 1600 years.

For the first 300 years of Christianity, gay people were not persecuted, but instead were welcomed as brothers and sisters in Christ... but as soon as the bishops in the early 300's gained political dominance, look how quickly and brutally things changed.. this is why our Founding Fathers wisely chose to separate Church and State:

305-306 – Council of Elvira (now Granada, Spain). This council was representative of the Western European Church and among other things, it barred homosexuals the right to Communion.

314 – Council of Ancyra (now Ankara, Turkey). This council was representative of the Eastern European Church and it excluded the Sacraments for 15 years to unmarried men under the age of 20 who were caught in homosexual acts, and excluded the man for life if he was married and over the age of 50.

342 – Under advice from their bishops, the first law against same-sex marriage was promulgated by the Christian emperors Constantius II and Constans.

390 – Under advice from their bishops, Christian emperors Valentinian II, Theodosius I and Arcadius declared homosexual sex to be illegal and those who were guilty of it were condemned to be burned alive in front of the public.

498 – In spite of the laws against homosexuality, the Christian emperors continued to collect taxes on male prostitutes until the reign of Anastasius I, who finally abolishes the tax.

529 – The Christian emperor Justinian I (527–565) made homosexuals a public scapegoat for problems such as "famines,earthquakes, and pestilences."

589 – The Visigothic kingdom in Spain, is converted from Arianism to Catholicism. This conversion leads to a revision of the law to conform to those of Catholic countries. These revisions include provisions for the persecution of gays and Jews.

693 – In Iberia, Visigothic ruler Egica of Hispania and Septimania, demanded that a Church council confront the occurrence of homosexuality in the Kingdom. The Sixteenth Council of Toledo issued a statement in response, which was adopted by Egica, stating that homosexual acts be punished by castration, exclusion from Communion, hair shearing, one hundred stripes of the lash, and banishment into exile.

1120 – Baldwin II of the Kingdom of Jerusalem, convenes the Council of Nablus to address the vices within the Kingdom. The Council calls for the burning of individuals who perpetually commit homosexual acts.

1179 – The Third Lateran Council of Rome issues a decree for the excommunication of homosexuals.

1232 – Pope Gregory IX starts the Inquisition in the Italian City-States. Some cities called for banishment and/or amputation as punishments for 1st- and 2nd-offending homosexuals and burning for the 3rd or habitual offenders.

1260 – In France, first-offending homosexuals lost their testicles, second offenders lost their member, and third offenders were burned. Women caught in same-sex acts could be mutilated and executed as well.

1265 – Thomas Aquinas argues that homosexuality is second only to murder in the ranking of sins.

1283 – The French Civil Code dictated that convicted homosexuals should not only be burned but also that their property would be forfeited.

1370s – Jan van Aersdone and Willem Case were two men executed in Antwerp in the 1370s. The charge against them was same gender intercourse. Aersdone and Case stand out because records of their names have survived.

1432 – In Florence the first organization specifically intended to prosecute homosexuality is established, the "Night Officials", which over the next 70 years arrest about 10,000 men and youths.

1451 – Pope Nicholas V enables the papal Inquisition to persecute men who practice homosexuality.

1475 – In Peru, a chronicle written under the Capac Yupanqui government describes the persecution of homosexuals with public burnings and destruction of homes (a practice usually reserved for conquered tribes).

1483 – The Spanish Inquisition begins. Homosexuals were stoned, castrated, and burned. Between 1540 and 1700, more than 1,600 people were prosecuted for homosexuality.

1532 – Holy Roman Empire makes homosexuality punishable by death.

1533 – King Henry VIII passes the Buggery Act 1533 making anal intercourse punishable by death throughout England.

1620 – Brandenburg-Prussia criminalizes homosexuality, making it punishable by death.

1721 – Catherina Margaretha Linck is executed for lesbianism in Germany.

1836 – The last known execution for homosexuality in Great Britain. James Pratt and John Smith are hanged at Newgate prison, London after being caught together in private lodgings.

1895 – The trial of Oscar Wilde results in his being prosecuted under the Criminal Law Amendment Act 1885 for "gross indecency" for having sex with other males, and is sentenced to two years hard labor in prison, ruining his health.

1903 – In New York on 21 February 1903, New York police conducted the first United States recorded raid on a gay bathhouse, the Ariston Hotel Baths. 26 men were arrested and 12 brought to trial on sodomy charges; 7 men received sentences ranging from 4 to 20 years in prison.

1945 – Upon the liberation of Nazi concentration camps by Allied forces, those who were interned for homosexuality, and who miraculously survived.. are not freed, but required to serve out the full term of their sentences under Paragraph 175.

1954 – June 7th –Mathematical computer genius and WW2 hero Alan Turing commits suicide by cyanide poisoning, 18 months after being given a choice between two years in prison or libido-reducing hormone treatment for a year as a punishment for homosexuality.
 


For the first 300 years of Christianity, gay people were not persecuted, but instead were welcomed as brothers and sisters in Christ.

Wrong.

"Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."
(1 Corinthians 6:9-10)

"For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature;and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error."
(Romans 1:26-27)



I, myself, grew up with homosexual passions. Throughout my late teens and early 20's (before I became a Christian) I burned with lust for other men. I was very happy in my lifestyle. I could have been very happy living in a life-long, loving partnership with another man. Guess what? Our evil hearts are not the judge of right and wrong... God is.
 
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I'm not 'promoting' homosexuality, so anyone who accuses me of that is leveling false witness against me, which is a grave sin according to Matthew 19:18. I'm simply listing historical fact on this subject. In addition, most of us will soon be living in a state where it is legal, so we can't exactly bury our heads in the sand on the subject. The consensus among modern historians is that republican Rome, like classical Greece, was tolerant of same-sex relationships. Moreover, the Romans accorded some same-sex unions the legal or cultural status of marriages. To take one early example, Cicero, the great Roman lawyer and orator, persuaded Curio the Elder to honor the debts that Curio's son had incurred on behalf of Antonius, to whom the son was, in Cicero's words, "united in a stable and permanent marriage, just as if he had given him a matron's stola." (The stola was garb distinctively reserved for a married Roman woman. "Te a meretricio quaestu abduxit et, tamquam stolam dedisset, in matrimonio stabili et certo collocavit.")

Cicero's legalistic advice suggests that same-sex relationships were not only socially accepted among Roman society, but that they also potentially carried with them legal obligations and consequences, and hence were marriages as we understand the term. Records describing Roman social customs during the imperial period survive in far greater number, at least in part because many, if not most, of the emperors enjoyed well-documented relationships, some of them legally sanctioned marriages-with other men. The evidence suggests that during the same general time frame when companionate long-term marriages were being institutionalized for different-sex couples, they were likewise becoming more common for same-sex couples, who were entering into relationships akin to those discussed in Plato's Symposium.

By the time of the early Empire the stereotyped roles of [sexually active] "lover" and [sexually passive] "beloved" no longer seem to be the only model for homosexual lovers. Many homosexual relationships were permanent and exclusive. Among the lower classes informal unions like that of Giton and Encolpius may have predominated, but marriages between males or between females were legal and familiar among the upper classes.... By the time of the early Empire references to gay marriages are commonplace. The biographer of Elagabalus maintains that after the emperor's marriage to an athlete from Smyrna, any male who wished to advance at the imperial court either had to have a husband or pretend that he did.

Martial and Juvenal both mention same-sex public ceremonies involving the families, dowries, and legal niceties. It is not clear that only aristocrats were involved: a cymbal player is mentioned by Juvenal. Martial points out that both men involved in one ceremony were thoroughly masculine ("The bearded Callistratus married the rugged Afer") and that the marriage took place under the same law that regulated marriage between men and women. Nero married two men in succession, both in public ceremonies with the ritual appropriate to legal marriage. At least one of these unions was recognized by Greeks and Romans, and the spouse was accorded the honors of an empress .... One of the men, Sporus, accompanied Nero to public functions, where the emperor would embrace him affectionately. He remained with Nero throughout his reign and stood by him as he died.

Same-sex unions were noted in popular Roman culture and literature as well. The novel Babylonica, an early version of the pulp romance, had a subplot involving the passion of Egypt's Queen Berenice for the beautiful Mesopotamia, who was snatched from her. After one of the Queen's servants rescued Mesopotamia from her abductors, "'Berenice married Mesopotamia, and there was war between [the abductor] and Berenice on her account.' " Of even greater renown, the Emperor Hadrian's love for Antinous attained the status of legend, acclaimed for generations in sculpture, architecture, painting, coins, and literature.

The popularity of Hadrian and Antinous as a couple, may have been due in some part to the prevalence of same-sex couples in popular romantic literature of the time. Everywhere in the fiction of the Empire-from lyric poetry to popular novels-gay couples and their love appear on a completely equal footing with their heterosexual counterparts.

That stated, I'm curious what the following commandments and teachings from Christ mean to you. Does anyone follow them?

Matthew 7:1-5

"Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye."

Proverbs 10:12

"Hatred stirs up dissension, but love covers over all wrongs."

Ephesians 4:2

“Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love.”

James 4:12

"There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor?"

Romans 14:1-13

"As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand. One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind."

Titus 3:2-7

"To speak evil of no one, to avoid quarreling, to be gentle, and to show perfect courtesy toward all people. For we ourselves were once foolish, disobedient, led astray, slaves to various passions and pleasures, passing our days in malice and envy, hated by others and hating one another. But when the goodness and loving kindness of God our Savior appeared, he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit, whom he poured out on us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior.."

James 4:11-12

"Do not speak evil against one another, brothers. The one who speaks against a brother or judges his brother, speaks evil against the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge. There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor?"

Romans 12:16-19

"Live in harmony with one another. Do not be haughty, but associate with the lowly. Never be wise in your own sight. Repay no one evil for evil, but give thought to do what is honorable in the sight of all. If possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all. Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God.."

1 Corinthians 13:1-8

"If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. If I give away all I have, and if I deliver up my body to be burned, but have not love, I gain nothing. Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful.."

Matthew 6:14-15

"For if you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you, but if you do not forgive others their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses."

Romans 12:10

“Be devoted to one another in love. Honor one another above yourselves.”

1 John 4:7-8

“Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.”

Matthew 22:36-39

“Teacher,” he asked, “which is the greatest commandment in the Law?” Jesus answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ This is the greatest and the most important commandment. The second most important commandment is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as you love yourself.’"

1 John 4:20

"If anyone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen."

John 13:34-35

"A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another. By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”

Matthew 5:22

“But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire.”

1 Peter 4:8

"Above all, keep loving one another earnestly, since love covers a multitude of sins."

Romans 12:8

“Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law.”

Luke 6:37

“Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven.."

John 3:17

"For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through Him."
 
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