7 REASONS ROMAN CATHOLICISM IS DEADLY FALSE DOCTRINE - 10-26-24

[Gerbolski]

And I don't hold strongly to your view either because the law of Moses prohibits that, and Mary and Joseph are not adulterers

Bill, if you are truly honest, our disagreement is not about, divorce and remarriage, or whatever you are meaning, our real disagreement, is about you saying that Mary had a union with God, which the way you are saying it, implies sexual.

So because of that union with God, Joseph would be committing adultery with Mary if he slept with her.

I do not believe that God had sexual relations with Mary, therefore Joseph sleeping with his wife, would not be sinful, would not be adultery, since she never slept with any, for she was a virgin, and still a virgin after she born Jesus, and only afterwards did she know him.

And also there is a difference between sex before marriage, which is sinful, and sex in marriage.

Sex itself does not make one married, otherwise sex before marriage should not exist.

Marriage is a commitment between two who are giving themselves over to one another, which yes, does lead to sexual relations.

 

[Gerbolski]

I would not hold too strongly to that view, and personally believe that he did have children with Mary, and there is no proof that Joseph had another wife or was with another woman, but nevertheless, he sure did have sexual relations with Mary, which we have shown in another scripture that he knew his wife after Jesus was born.

When I mention the word nevertheless, in these statements, I was just laying aside the issue, to focus on that the scriptures shows Joseph knew his wife.

 

[Gothedral]

Discernment is a divine gift of the Holy Spirit of God, and Christ is Truth. This is why there will be exorcists in Hell with the Devil and his other miserable children. Also, Revelation 2:9 proves there are many Judases judaizing even here. Even some of the elect will be fooled. Sad.

 

[Gerbolski]

Matt 10:3 Philip and Bartholomew; Thomas and Matthew the tax collector; James the son of Alphaeus, and Thaddaeus;

Mark 3:18 and Andrew, and Philip, and Bartholomew, and Matthew, and Thomas, and James the son of Alphaeus, and Thaddaeus, and Simon the Zealot;
Luke 6:15 and Matthew and Thomas; James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon who was called the Zealot;
Acts 1:13 When they had entered the city, they went up to the upper room where they were staying; that is, Peter and John and James and Andrew, Philip and Thomas, Bartholomew and Matthew, James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon the Zealot, and Judas the son of James.

Gal 1:19 But I did not see any other of the apostles except James, the Lord's brother.
Mark 6:3 "Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, and brother of James and Joses and Judas and Simon? Are not His sisters here with us?" And they took offense at Him.

It would seem that James was not the son of a previous wife (which would have made Joseph an adulturer).
But rather likely, Mary had relations with someone named Alphaeus, after Joseph might had died.

Rom 7:2 For the married woman is bound by law to her husband while he is living; but if her husband dies, she is released from the law concerning the husband.
Rom 7:3 So then, if while her husband is living she is joined to another man, she shall be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from the law, so that she is not an adulteress though she is joined to another man.

1Cor 7:39 A wife is bound as long as her husband lives; but if her husband is dead, she is free to be married to whom she wishes, only in the Lord.

So then if mary did remarry, it wouldnt have been a sin. But to say mary would have been an adulteress if she married again makes no sense..

She has "relations" with the Holy Spirit.. and then she marries Joseph... (she would have already been an adultress at that point).

I had already did a reply to this, but deleted it, because I reread what you said, and what you are saying makes perfect sense, and you have scripture to prove it.

And of course we know that the Holy Spirit had no sexual relations with Mary, for Mary gave birth to Jesus, as a virgin.

 

[Gerbolski]

Matt 10:3 Philip and Bartholomew; Thomas and Matthew the tax collector; James the son of Alphaeus, and Thaddaeus;

Mark 3:18 and Andrew, and Philip, and Bartholomew, and Matthew, and Thomas, and James the son of Alphaeus, and Thaddaeus, and Simon the Zealot;
Luke 6:15 and Matthew and Thomas; James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon who was called the Zealot;
Acts 1:13 When they had entered the city, they went up to the upper room where they were staying; that is, Peter and John and James and Andrew, Philip and Thomas, Bartholomew and Matthew, James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon the Zealot, and Judas the son of James.

Gal 1:19 But I did not see any other of the apostles except James, the Lord's brother.
Mark 6:3 "Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, and brother of James and Joses and Judas and Simon? Are not His sisters here with us?" And they took offense at Him.

It would seem that James was not the son of a previous wife (which would have made Joseph an adulturer).
But rather likely, Mary had relations with someone named Alphaeus, after Joseph might had died.

Rom 7:2 For the married woman is bound by law to her husband while he is living; but if her husband dies, she is released from the law concerning the husband.
Rom 7:3 So then, if while her husband is living she is joined to another man, she shall be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from the law, so that she is not an adulteress though she is joined to another man.

1Cor 7:39 A wife is bound as long as her husband lives; but if her husband is dead, she is free to be married to whom she wishes, only in the Lord.

So then if mary did remarry, it wouldnt have been a sin. But to say mary would have been an adulteress if she married again makes no sense..

She has "relations" with the Holy Spirit.. and then she marries Joseph... (she would have already been an adultress at that point).

Here are interesting points, mentioned by GotQuestions.

Now I am not a big fan of GotQuestions, but this quote is surely interesting:

"The absence of Joseph in the stories of Jesus’ ministry has led many to believe that Joseph died sometime between when Jesus was a young boy (Luke 2:42) and when He launched His public ministry as an adult (Luke 3:23). The fact that Jesus, as He was dying, committed the care of His mother to John gives strong indication that Joseph had indeed passed away by that time (John 19:26–27)."

And the last time we hear of Joseph, is when Jesus was a young boy, it is very possible he died not long after this, in order for Mary to marry Alpheus and get another child.

 

[Gerbolski]

There was only 2 James that were called disciples via the 12, and the son of Zebedee was not Jesus' brother, and it says this:


Gal 1:18
(18) Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days.


Gal 1:19
(19) But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother.

So this other James, son of Alpheus, had to be his brother, and the context was speaking of the 12 apostles here , since it mentions Peter.

And then we get to this next verse:

Luk 2:41-43
(41) Now his parents went to Jerusalem every year at the feast of the passover.
(42) And when he was twelve years old, they went up to Jerusalem after the custom of the feast.
(43) And when they had fulfilled the days, as they returned, the child Jesus tarried behind in Jerusalem; and Joseph and his mother knew not of it.

This is the last time we hear of Joseph mentioned at this time when Jesus was 12, so it is very possible, even probable, that Joseph died not long after this, and Mary could have married Alpheus 3 months after, and then got pregnant and eventually gave birth to James.

And if so, James would have been roughly 17 or 18 years old, at the beginning of Christ's ministry, which Jesus was 30.

So it is very possible even probable, and would certainly fit the circumstances.

 

[Gerbolski]

We are really proving that after all that has been said, tradition is higher than truth, via Roman Catholicism.

Ignore verses that do not fit, and do like the pagans do to some of their goddesses, call Mary the queen of Heaven.

Call her sinless, immaculate, even though no scripture says this.

And it does resemble the pagan religions of the past in many ways, and if it walks like a dog, and acts like a dog, then it must be a dog.

And unless someone will let their hearts be touched, you will never get out of this pagan religion.

 

[Gothedral]

This reminds me of those people who claim to be of the bloodlines of nephilim, or Mary Mother of Christ, or Mary Magdelene, etcetera

Strange behavior yeah? Look at Cain the Murderer. And then there's every time Christ called the lukewarm as the very "children of the Devil".
Saint John chapter 8.

 

[YeshuaFan]

There's more than 7.

Rome denies Pauline Justification, and teaches a mixture of grace and good works, basically they have reversed Justification and sanctification, as we would see it Justified first, and then start progressive sanctification process, but Rome states that one cannot be both sinner and a saint, so working thru sacramental gracing, will earn a position to merit our salvation

 

[Bill]

Rome denies Pauline Justification, and teaches a mixture of grace and good works, basically they have reversed Justification and sanctification, as we would see it Justified first, and then start progressive sanctification process, but Rome states that one cannot be both sinner and a saint, so working thru sacramental gracing, will earn a position to merit our salvation

May Jesus fill us with his love and wisdom
Even I don't know what you just got done saying

I can tell you in my own understanding of things, I do not even understand some of the things taught in the Catholic Church especially when it comes to indulgences.

Plainly you can't buy heaven.

 

[Twistie]

And what do you think are the deadly false reasons?

Does it not say in Scripture. The Holy Spirit speaking through Mary, "from this day forward all nations will call me blessed"

If the Holy Spirit is saying this, and it's in the scripture which is inspired by Jesus, then it must be true.

Jesus himself says, this is my body ( speaking of the bread that is blessed) , and then says this is my blood ( speaking of the blessed wine)

Jesus tells us to receive this body and blood ( Bread and Wine that is blessed in Jesus)

What exactly are the Catholics doing that is wrong? Are we not following the scripture?

Prayers to Mary is a no no calling a priest father is a no no idk bill I was raised Roman Catholic n in my eyes the priest I had Father John was one of the best teacher in bringing me closer to God frfr but when I was a child I walked and talked like one I followed the ways of man until the Spirit of the Lord came and sat my butt down to show me His ways not man but man must humble himself to follow.. many like to pick a religion to bust on but they themselves can't see the Truth I'm not saying that to like belittle or to make me better then another it's just the Lord shows me things..as He shows all His children like you bill..we all have a part..
To me I believe The Word when He tells me to call no one Father but Him not to pray to no one but Him that there is only one teacher and that is Him there is one Father one Good and that is Him..He tells us that a house divided will fall..He tells us no one is above another we are all brothers and sisters those who do His will and that His children need no man to teach..He tells us His is a nation of Priest and what you won't hear from any organized religion is that.. that His people are a nation of Priest and His people don't need man to reach them.. so many are still behind the veil seems many wanna sit on that boat because they afraid when they walk on the water they gonna like I believe peter started to..

Unlike so many, we do not peddle the word of God for profit..

We will church anywhere anytime with anyone the Lord sets before us..

Anywho I think I have went off subject again Mr bill apologies..


Hope all's well with ya!!


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