5 Steps on How to Lose Salvation

[Cody]

Five Steps on how to lose your salvation

Step 1. Abort yourself from the new birth.

John 3:3-7
3 "Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again." KJV

The above verses are talking about the first birth, born of water and the new birth by the Holy Spirit.

How can you be unborn? You did not have anything to do with your first birth. Your mom and dad can't even undo your birth. The same thing goes for being born of the Holy Spirit. All you did was receive the gift of God by believing in Jesus Christ.

Romans 6:23
"For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." KJV


Step 2. Unseal your soul

Ephesians 1:12-14
12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory." KJV

How are you going to unseal your soul, when you didn't even seal it in the first place. God sealed your soul, you didn't. You are sealed by the Holy Spirit and to say you can be unsealed is making salvation sound like a cheap zip-lock bag.


Step 3. Divorce yourself from the family of God.

John 1:12
"But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:" KJV

Galations4:5
"To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons." KJV

You can't divorce your parents. You can be out of fellowship with them and you might even curse them, but the fact is, no matter what, they are still your parents.

It is the same way with your Heavenly Father. If you're a child of God, He is going to get you home, no matter what it takes. You know why? Because God is a loving Father and He's not going to disown you.

1 Corinthians 11:30
"For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep." KJV

You're going to have a rough time when you're out of fellowship with God, but the Holy Spirit will convict you and guide you back to the place where you need to be, no matter if He has to do it the hard way.


Step 4. Uncircumcise your heart, Reattach your soul and flesh.

Romans 2:28-29
28 "For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God." KJV

Colossians 2:11-12
11 "In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead." KJV

The above verses tell us that when you get saved, God cuts your soul loose from your body, so the Holy Spirit can dwell within you.

Romans 8:9
"But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his." KJV

Your flesh sins, but your Spirit does not. Therefore you can't lose your salvation. Friend, you're either washed by the Blood of Christ and forgiven or you're on your way to Hell to burn forever.


Step 5. Amputate yourself from the body of Christ

1 Corinthians 12:13
"For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit." KJV

Ephesians 4:4
"There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;" KJV

If you took yourself out of the body of Christ, His body would be incomplete.

Jesus is able to keep you saved and don't you let yourself, your mom, your dad, your boss, your teacher or the devil tell you any different.

2 Timothy 1:12
"..I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day." KJV

Galations 2:16
"Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith OF Jesus Christ, even we have believed IN Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith OF Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified." KJV

2 Timothy 2:13
"If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself." KJV

If you can lose your salvation, you must be trusting in something else besides God. All the verses people use to deny Eternal Salvation are either not talking about salvation or the message is not directed at Christians.

You can't lose your salvation, but if you get out of the Will of God, you can lose your joy, testimony, rewards, etc and possibly even your health.

I'll probably get people debating me about this, but save yourself some time and trust the Power of God. If you think you can lose your salvation, okay, but I'm putting all my trust in the Power of God. He is the good shepherd.


John 10:14
"I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine." KJV

Love in Christ and God Bless you all

 

[jiggyfly]

I hope this teaching is not meant to be serious, because I got a real good laugh from it.

 

[rizen1]

I was wondering if
this a continuation to the once saved always saved thread.

I'll probably get people debating me about this, but save yourself some time and trust the Power of God. If you think you can lose your salvation, okay, but I'm putting all my trust in the Power of God. He is the good shepherd.

Why did you think you'd be debated ?
Its always healthy to add questions when topics arrive, you get to explain and teach. We are to test every spirit, questions should be welcome dont be afraid, debates are a big No in TalkJesus

1 John 4:1
Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try [test] the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.



Interesting read...I would like to know your resource of study.

This would of fit in well in the "once saved always save thread".

 

[Faithful Son]

I won't debate, but I will show the difference between perception and fact.

Hebrews 6:4-6 NKJV
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.

Hebrews 6:4-6 KJV
4For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

5And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

6If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

 

[Cody]

I didn't post it to get a debate, but I know that there is so many different opinions on this subject. I only posted it to maybe help someone understand the subject a little more. A lot of people think people that believe "once saved, always saved" people are a bunch of heathens that just hold that belief because they want to go out and do whatever they want, but that's not true at all.

I didn't post this for people to tell me it's a big joke. I don't think believing my Saviour can keep me saved is funny at all. I thought maybe I'd get just a little bit of respect, but that's fine.

 

[4Given]

I respect you bro,keep up the good work,good post.God Bless

 

[Cody]

Thanks for the kind reply, Faithful Son. These verses are probably the hardest verses in the Bible to understand, no doubt about that.

Hebrews 6:4-6
4 "For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame." KJV

Alright, one thing to know is that unbelievers can be enlightened even though they're not saved.

For example...

Matthew 4:14-16
14 "That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying,
15 The land of Zabulon, and the land of Nephthalim, by the way of the sea, beyond Jordan, Galilee of the Gentiles;
16 The people which sat in darkness saw great light; and to them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up." KJV

Right here, not everyone got saved, but everyone, even the unbelievers were "enlightened" by the presence of Jesus. So now we know unbelievers can be "enlightened" and not be saved.

Alright, now for the second part of verse 4. Can someone actually "taste" and not be saved? I believe the answer is yes. Why do I believe this? Well, lets look at more scripture and see if similar scripture comes up.

Hebrews 4 parallels the actions of the Israelites seen in Numbers 13 with those of the Hebrews. Israel "tasted" the land of Canaan and the deliverance that God had promised to them, but they rejected God.

So its the same with Hebrews "tasting" the heavenly gift. Also, know in Hebrews 2:9, Christ "tasted" death, but it was a one time tasting, not continual. Same thing with the Hebrews, they "tasted" the heavenly gift, but they are not continuing of it because they don't believe and never did.

Hebrews 2:9
"But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man." KJV

Now the third part of verse 4. Studying in context takes awhile doesn't it lol. Notice it says, "partake". You can partake or assosiate with someone and not be in a relationship with them. This part of the verse is simply talking about a ministry of the Holy Spirit.

Notice what John says in the below verses.

John 16:8-11
8 "And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged." KJV

Anytime people hear the Word of God they are exposed to the ministry of the Holy Spirit. People that are exposed to the ministry of the Holy Spirit can either accept it or deny it. Being exposed to the ministry of the Holy Spirit doesn't make someone saved, but they have "partaken" of the Holy Spirit.

Hebrews 6:5
"And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come," KJV

Now lets move on to verse 5. The good word of God refers to the kingdom of God. The Hebrews tasted of the "good word" because they experienced the fulfillment of the Messianic prophecy. Notice it says, they've only "tasted" of it. They don't come to the full realization of the "good word" because they don't believe. It's basically same in the second part of the verse also.

Hebrews 6:6
"If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame." KJV

Finally, verse 6. It says, they have fail away. This simply means they've denied the message of salvation. When someone rejects Christ, it is "impossible" for them to be saved any other way. You don't have to know Grace to "fall away" from it. You can "fall away" from Grace as a principal.

Also, check out this Commentary by John MacArthur. [Click Here]

I see a lot of people on talkJesus using Gotquestions.org for references. Check out what they say about Hebrews 6. Their version is pretty easy to understand.

Got Questions on Hebrews 6:4-6

God Bless

 

[jiggyfly]

Thanks for the kind reply, Faithful Son. These verses are probably the hardest verses in the Bible to understand, no doubt about that.

Hebrews 6:4-6
4 "For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame." KJV

Alright, one thing to know is that unbelievers can be enlightened even though they're not saved.

For example...

Matthew 4:14-16
14 "That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying,
15 The land of Zabulon, and the land of Nephthalim, by the way of the sea, beyond Jordan, Galilee of the Gentiles;
16 The people which sat in darkness saw great light; and to them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up." KJV

Right here, not everyone got saved, but everyone, even the unbelievers were "enlightened" by the presence of Jesus. So now we know unbelievers can be "enlightened" and not be saved.

Alright, now for the second part of verse 4. Can someone actually "taste" and not be saved? I believe the answer is yes. Why do I believe this? Well, lets look at more scripture and see if similar scripture comes up.

Hebrews 4 parallels the actions of the Israelites seen in Numbers 13 with those of the Hebrews. Israel "tasted" the land of Canaan and the deliverance that God had promised to them, but they rejected God.

So its the same with Hebrews "tasting" the heavenly gift. Also, know in Hebrews 2:9, Christ "tasted" death, but it was a one time tasting, not continual. Same thing with the Hebrews, they "tasted" the heavenly gift, but they are not continuing of it because they don't believe and never did.

Hebrews 2:9
"But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man." KJV

Now the third part of verse 4. Studying in context takes awhile doesn't it lol. Notice it says, "partake". You can partake or assosiate with someone and not be in a relationship with them. This part of the verse is simply talking about a ministry of the Holy Spirit.

Notice what John says in the below verses.

John 16:8-11
8 "And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged." KJV

Anytime people hear the Word of God they are exposed to the ministry of the Holy Spirit. People that are exposed to the ministry of the Holy Spirit can either accept it or deny it. Being exposed to the ministry of the Holy Spirit doesn't make someone saved, but they have "partaken" of the Holy Spirit.

Hebrews 6:5
"And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come," KJV

Now lets move on to verse 5. The good word of God refers to the kingdom of God. The Hebrews tasted of the "good word" because they experienced the fulfillment of the Messianic prophecy. Notice it says, they've only "tasted" of it. They don't come to the full realization of the "good word" because they don't believe. It's basically same in the second part of the verse also.

Hebrews 6:6
"If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame." KJV

Finally, verse 6. It says, they have fail away. This simply means they've denied the message of salvation. When someone rejects Christ, it is "impossible" for them to be saved any other way. You don't have to know Grace to "fall away" from it. You can "fall away" from Grace as a principal.

Also, check out this Commentary by John MacArthur. [Click Here]

I see a lot of people on talkJesus using Gotquestions.org for references. Check out what they say about Hebrews 6. Their version is pretty easy to understand.

Got Questions on Hebrews 6:4-6

God Bless

I am sorry that my laughing at your post upset you, but your reasoning sometimes seems very foreign to me.
Since the writer of hebrews uses words that are generally used when desribing eating, let's refer to HolySpirit as cake, oh let's say angle food cake. Now if someone partakes of this angle food cake and tastes the angle food cake can someone else's arguement that thay have never really had anglefood cake be taken seriously? I don't think so.

 

[Faith4Bride]

well the problem is that most of the questions or statements above are about how can YOU unseal yourself etc.... and the answer is easy. It is God that cuts off people who do not stand by faith. It is God who cuts off people who do not bare fruit. It is not us or Jesus who does this, it is God.
Jhn 15:1 ¶ I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every [branch] that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.I am the vine, ye [are] the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast [them] into the fire, and they are burned.If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in [his] goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

Rom 5:2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
2Cr 1:24 Not for that we have dominion over your faith, but are helpers of your joy: for by faith ye stand.

So if after we are found later not to be continuing to stand in faith, and we bare not fruit because we have not continued to abide in Christ- then our end will be to be cut off by GOD and thrown into the fire to be burned. God looks for fruit! not bare branches, and no ho hum christians who said a prayer and now pew sit and live by their own standards, but He wants beleivers! He wants people who grow up in Christ and bare fruit and become SONS not just babes. people who are conformed into the image of CHrist to be like Him.

 

[Michael19]

Cody don't get discouraged, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, right or wrong (and just as a note i'm not saying anyone is wrong). I know that you just posted this so that others might learn a little more about the subject and learn some different views. So just keep up the good work living and working for God.

God Bless

 

[rizen1]

You are right Michael, everyone is entitle to their opinions. I also hope Cody wasnt discouraged by this. I've seen him in heated threads before and this was pretty calm.

Faithful4Bride didnt reply by her own opinion but with scripture.
And Jiggy isnt a 14yr old newbie he's been around longer than me.

Cody I hope you werent discouraged in anyway.
God bless you and take care.

 

[Cody]

I'm sure I could reply to what Faith4Bride said and put those verses into context, but I'd rather just shut up about the subject. If you want to go on believing that God can't keep you until the very last day, it wont offend me. I know His Blood is enough.

All I know is that I don't base my salvation on how good I live. I give all the glory to God and I trust God to keep me saved until that day when I die or at the rapture. None of us live good enough to be saved and none of us keep the commandments. We all sin daily and if you don't, I applaud you.

I believe works come from true salvation. Living good doesn't save us. Salvation is a gift from God. If you don't bear fruit, you wasn't a Christian in the first place. You simply prayed a little prayer and it was all emotions, not by the Power of God Almighty. Do you think God's children are junk? We're made new creatures in Christ. When God does something it's not junk and if you think otherwise, that is absolutely pitiful.


Father, I thank you for saving me from an eternal Hell. I give You all the glory because I know I did nothing to deserve salvation. I deserve to burn in Hell forever for my sins and I can't understand Your love for me, I can't. I have faith that You can keep me until the very end. I have faith that You will lead and guide me until that last day. I have faith that when I get out of Your will, you will lead me back like the Loving Father You are. Thank you, Jesus for Your precious Blood. The Blood that cleansed all my sins. The Blood that stained my heart and made me a new creature. Thank You for the Holy Spirit that will live within me always. Father, I give you all the glory. You are a great God and I will praise you until the very end. The love you showed me on May 13, 2002 will last me the rest of my life. Please forgive me for my sins and short comings. Give me strength to live for You. I thank you for blessing me beyond belief. You gave me a loving family, friends, a roof above my head and so much more. Help me understand Your Word more, Lord God. Thank You for taking the place of my sins on that Old Rugged Cross. I give you honor and praise for everything. In Jesus Name I pray, Amen.

John 19:30
"When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, IT IS FINISHED: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost." KJV

God Bless

 

[rizen1]

God bless you Cody,

As for you dropping the matter thats good.

Still tongue wise head

 

[Faithful Son]

I'm sure I could reply to what Faith4Bride said and put those verses into context, but I'd rather just shut up about the subject. If you want to go on believing that God can't keep you until the very last day, it wont offend me. I know His Blood is enough.

All I know is that I don't base my salvation on how good I live. I give all the glory to God and I trust God to keep me saved until that day when I die or at the rapture. None of us live good enough to be saved and none of us keep the commandments. We all sin daily and if you don't, I applaud you.

I believe works come from true salvation. Living good doesn't save us. Salvation is a gift from God. If you don't bear fruit, you wasn't a Christian in the first place. You simply prayed a little prayer and it was all emotions, not by the Power of God Almighty. Do you think God's children are junk? We're made new creatures in Christ. When God does something it's not junk and if you think otherwise, that is absolutely pitiful.


Father, I thank you for saving me from an eternal Hell. I give You all the glory because I know I did nothing to deserve salvation. I deserve to burn in Hell forever for my sins and I can't understand Your love for me, I can't. I have faith that You can keep me until the very end. I have faith that You will lead and guide me until that last day. I have faith that when I get out of Your will, you will lead me back like the Loving Father You are. Thank you, Jesus for Your precious Blood. The Blood that cleansed all my sins. The Blood that stained my heart and made me a new creature. Thank You for the Holy Spirit that will live within me always. Father, I give you all the glory. You are a great God and I will praise you until the very end. The love you showed me on May 13, 2002 will last me the rest of my life. Please forgive me for my sins and short comings. Give me strength to live for You. I thank you for blessing me beyond belief. You gave me a loving family, friends, a roof above my head and so much more. Help me understand Your Word more, Lord God. Thank You for taking the place of my sins on that Old Rugged Cross. I give you honor and praise for everything. In Jesus Name I pray, Amen.

John 19:30
"When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, IT IS FINISHED: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost." KJV

God Bless

Well, to be honest. Now I can relate with you Cody. I guess I wasn't quite sure what you were talking about. You have to remember that putting the message across in the Hebrew sense, ie. back to front, you are going to get some weird responses.

I don't believe in once saved always saved, neither do I agree with a site like gotquestions, for heavens sake, they say our God and alah is the same?

To get back to the topic. It is in our hands. God gave us the gift of salvation, that's true, so true, but it's what we do with that gift that matters.

Most people, never know and realize this:
Hebrews 12:2 NKJV
looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.


I take the Bible more times as it is, rather than getting 10 opinions on a matter. The above scripture to me says that Jesus, my Jesus is the Author of my faith, He wrote it and designed it and He gave it to me, He wrote it on my heart and mind and soul. But, He is also the Finisher, I am His clay, He is the potter and He will make sure that I complete the race, in the end, I'm in His hands and at His mercy.

So, God bless you for starting this thread. I still believe that people are able to turn their backs on God, but I also believe that if I believe in Him and renew that belief in Him each day (I'm not commanded to do that as far as I know) then I will continue to live as His paper, and He can write on me.

 

[aksd]

I stand by Cody on Eternal Salvation.

The points raised by Faith4Bride have already been answered in the other thread - once saved always saved, and the meanings of those phrases clarified.

Those who staunchly support loosing salvation by sinful works & by denying Jesus should consider the history of Israel - God's chosen race & people of the promise.

What have they not done to offend God - and repeatedly at that?
All that they did to Jesus and continue to do to His followers now, can any denial be worse than that?
But has God given them up?
Have they ceased to be God's people and chosen race?
Will they not repent and be restored in the future?
Has God not admonished and punished them severly for their unfaithfulness but yet has not given them up?
Can the believers of maintaining Salvation by works after obtaining it by faith take this in context and yet not see God's unfathomable love and grace in waiting for and restoring even His most wayward and backsliden child?

Those who do not accept the concept of 'backsliding' and restoration of God's backslidden children- please study Jeremiah 3 & the books of Hosea and Amos. The sins are described, God's anger at the sins and the punishment for the sins is described but so is God's heart and love and the future restoration.

Why continue to put limits on God's love and grace and mercy because of limits of human brain and understanding? Why keep on the blinkers to continue having a limited vision and be adamant on just a verse or two to suit a particular interpretation when God's Word studied in it's entirety gives a different picture altogether?

Please people, don't limit God to your understanding and cause so many others who see these posts and who may be babes in Christ or just getting into knowing Jesus to stumble and be weak or discouraged.

 

[Cody]

Well, to be honest. Now I can relate with you Cody. I guess I wasn't quite sure what you were talking about. You have to remember that putting the message across in the Hebrew sense, ie. back to front, you are going to get some weird responses.

I don't believe in once saved always saved, neither do I agree with a site like gotquestions, for heavens sake, they say our God and alah is the same?

To get back to the topic. It is in our hands. God gave us the gift of salvation, that's true, so true, but it's what we do with that gift that matters.

Most people, never know and realize this:
Hebrews 12:2 NKJV
looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.


I take the Bible more times as it is, rather than getting 10 opinions on a matter. The above scripture to me says that Jesus, my Jesus is the Author of my faith, He wrote it and designed it and He gave it to me, He wrote it on my heart and mind and soul. But, He is also the Finisher, I am His clay, He is the potter and He will make sure that I complete the race, in the end, I'm in His hands and at His mercy.

So, God bless you for starting this thread. I still believe that people are able to turn their backs on God, but I also believe that if I believe in Him and renew that belief in Him each day (I'm not commanded to do that as far as I know) then I will continue to live as His paper, and He can write on me.

What do you believe saved you, Faithful Son? Works or God?

What do you believe is keeping you saved? How close you stay to God? We've all fall short of the glory of God. Without the Blood of Christ we'd be on our way to Hell. Our works don't save us, they just show true salvation. We're not close to God at all, not one of us. If I told you that I was close to God, I'd be a liar. I try my best, but you know what. My best is not good enough, BUT PRAISE GOD THE BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST IS GOOD ENOUGH.

The Blood of Jesus Christ is keeping you saved. Do you believe His blood is good enough? I believe His Blood is powerful. His Blood will turn someones whole life around. Do you think when that book said "if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature", it was lying? If you're truly saved, something amazing happened to you once upon a time. God took you, a filthy rag and made you a new creature in Christ.

I'm so confused on how people can actually think, "I believe God can't keep me saved. It is my choice whether I live for Him or not." I'm like Paul, once I gave my life to Jesus, I became a slave for Christ. I might not be a good slave, but He paid for me with His Blood and Bless God He is going to get His money's worth. That love He showed me was so amazing. That love saved me, yet I was a sinner. I sin against a Holy God, but God loves me? You can't convince me that once you receive that love you won't want to live for Him the rest of your life.

God Bless you, Faithful Son

 

[rizen1]

Its not a matter of what others think differently than you.

If a born again Christian saved washed in his blood, hit rock bottom and walks away from the church, their last days on earth was not in church,or on their knees..
when they die, are they still saved.


Me who walked in the light and got saved the same day as them.
They brought me to church so I know they were born again ,Holy and anointed.
But because of one incident that made them hit rock bottom, they left.

While I stand on the street each day, feeding the hungry, walking in the light and following the greatest command which is love. The devil had be bound but Jesus set me free. When I fell I got back up.

Now we both stand on judgement day...

Who gets in.

They are still saved right.

The Blood of Jesus Christ is keeping you saved

Even though they walked away are they still saved.

Then who am I to judge and say they never were saved, we all have sinned. right

He without sin cast the first stone.

I wasnt going by works but he died and gave his life for me.
Nothing is wrong with me wanting to live holy and promote being Holy.

If that other persons got in because he had a" get out of jail " pass, that's not fair for those who devotedly go out each day to do God's work.

I believe people get saved under both beliefs.
Which ever side you stand on just make sure you're bearing fruit.

Also...John 10:14
I am the good shepherd. I know my sheep as the Father knows me. My sheep know me as I know the Father...

God already know who the sheep is.
John 10:27
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me

 

[Cody]

We can't label anyone saved or not. For all you know, I might just be a religious man. It is not your right to label me saved. God knows His sheep and He knows the goats.

1 Corinthians 3:13-15
13 "Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire." KJV

If you're friend is truly saved he/she will be saved from Hell, but he/she will lose rewards. Our bad works will be burned and our good works will be rewarded.

You talk about those people that are devoted to Christ? Who are you talking about? Who are these "good" people you talk about? I know you're not talking about me because I don't deserve Heaven.

I go to church, read my Bible, witness...blah blah blah.....Just because of that I deserve Heaven? Lets not judge what is fair and not fair. We are not the Almighty Judge. We don't know who is saved and who is not. For us to say we have earned to be in Heaven, that is crazy.

Rizen, I'm glad you have the desire to live for Christ daily. I'm glad you strive to be Holy. I try to also and I believe true Christians will because of that love He shows us, but the fact is..neither of us are good enough. It's all about the Blood of our Saviour, Jesus Christ.

God Bless you, sister

 

[rizen1]

You went completely off from what I was saying..or maybe I didnt explain myself properly.
I will break it down hold on.

 

[Cody]

I wasnt going by works but he died and gave his life for me.
Nothing is wrong with me wanting to live holy and promote being Holy.

If that other persons got in because he had a" get out of jail " pass, that's not fair for those who devotedly go out each day to do God's work.

Sorry if I misunderstood you. What did you mean by the above quote? I think I answered it, but maybe not.