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“Ye Are Not In The flesh”

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Oh, the marvelous depths and heights of divine grace! Its depths in embracing us when in our sins and guilt, exposed to the wrath of God, and its heights in bringing us to God in Christ for everlasting blessings. And so truly does Scripture teach the reality of this transition from being in Adam to our present position in the Lord Jesus, that we are now spoken of as “not in the flesh,” “not of the world,” “not under law,” but “in the Spirit,” and “blessed with all spiritual blessings in the heavenly places in Christ” (Eph 1:3).

The important question for us is, How far have we received these truths into our hearts? How far have we mixed faith with the truth of God concerning what He has wrought in Christ? The practical point is, do we consistently take our place when consciously dealing with our Father as in the Lord Jesus? Those who have not received this truth may be trying to work themselves into nearness to God and be always disappointed, instead of taking in simple faith the nearness and acceptance in the Lord Jesus which His grace has given us. Those who by faith in the facts take possession of it do rejoice therein, and rest in the Father’s presence. They worship Him, and in measure enter into the wondrous truth of fellowship with the Father, and with His Son Jesus Christ.

But though the believer is not in the flash, he sorrowfully finds that the flesh is in him. He learns through humbling experience to say, “In me, that is in my flesh, dwells no good thing” (Rom 7:18). The great trouble of every growing saint is not so much what he has done as what he is. It is the painful consciousness of having this evil nature—pride, self-will and lust cropping up within, even if it does not come out. And the more his desire to live for the glory of God, the greater his sorrow at the garment being spotted by the flesh. This is his greatest enemy, his constant opponent; and which neither time nor circumstances can improve, so desperately wicked it is, and deceitful above all things. And the more we are occupied with this Adamic life within, the weaker we are toward it, because it becomes an object instead of the Lord Jesus who is our very Christian life.

To be occupied with what the flesh is in its various activities and deceitful workings, is not to be reckoning it to have been crucified and ourselves as new creations dead to it; to be regarding it as an antagonistic force to be overcome*, is to reckon it living. But to be holding it dead in the death of the Lord Jesus, as judicially put to death in His death, and to find all our resources in Him risen and glorified, is to reckon ourselves to have died indeed unto sin, and to be alive unto God in our Lord Jesus Christ. The way of faith is always to look at things from God’s standpoint, to take sides with Him who regards our old man as having been positionally set aside forever in the death of the Cross, and who always sees us complete in His beloved Son, in whom dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.

It is quite true that we are the objects of the continual care and discipline of the Father. If we walk after the flesh, instead of after the Spirit, this may call for His loving child-training; but that in no way interferes with the precious truth of our continual acceptance and position in the ascended Lord Jesus, by whose one offering we have been perfected forever (Heb 10:14). The fact is that, through grace, we “are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit” (Rom 8:9), yet the flesh is in us. But our part is to reckon it as having been, before God and to faith, judicially put to death in Christ crucified, and thus to be so constantly occupied with the triumphant Son of God, as to find all our resources, our strength, our springs, in Him.

Happy indeed are those who are occupied with the personal glory and excellencies, finished work, and offices of our Lord Jesus Christ, so as to have always the comfort of their Father’s love, and the joy of their security and completeness in His Beloved, and to be watching and waiting for His coming!

- H H Snell


*My understanding here is that the believer through being in Christ never requires a necessity of considering anything that can cause them to be overcome as concerning their salvation, and not the same as “overcoming evil with good” (Rom 12:21), which passage intends not the overcoming of sin itself, but rather overcoming the evil which results from sin (“overcome the evil man, and the evil he has done you, by doing good to him, by feeding him when hungry, by giving him drink when thirsty, by clothing him when naked, and by doing other offices of kindness and humanity to him” JG).
-NC
 
It doesn't require anything from us to become saved other than to believe.

However once we become saved, a lot is required of us. Even Rom 8:9; (which I believe where the title of this thread comes from) has a condition.
Rom 8:9; But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
To sit back and think that God/Jesus takes care of everything without any effort from us is a false doctrine.

It takes effort on our part. We are in a battle, we will be tested.
Rom 12:21; Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
2 Pet 2:19; promising them freedom while they themselves are slaves of corruption; for by what a man is overcome, by this he is enslaved.
2 Pet 2:20; For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world by the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and are overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first.
Matt 10:22; "You will be hated by all because of My name, but it is the one who has endured to the end who will be saved.
Matt 24:13; "But the one who endures to the end, he will be saved.
Mark 13:13; "You will be hated by all because of My name, but the one who endures to the end, he will be saved.
Heb 3:6; but Christ was faithful as a Son over His house--whose house we are, if we hold fast our confidence and the boast of our hope firm until the end.
Heb 3:14; For we have become partakers of Christ, if we hold fast the beginning of our assurance firm until the end,
Rev 2:26; 'He who overcomes, and he who keeps My deeds until the end, TO HIM I WILL GIVE AUTHORITY OVER THE NATIONS;
2 Cor 13:5; Test yourselves to see if you are in the faith; examine yourselves! Or do you not recognize this about yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you--unless indeed you fail the test?
2 Cor 13:6; But I trust that you will realize that we ourselves do not fail the test.
1 Cor 9:24; Do you not know that those who run in a race all run, but only one receives the prize? Run in such a way that you may win.
1 Cor 9:27; but I discipline my body and make it my slave, so that, after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified.
Heb 12:1; Therefore, since we have so great a cloud of witnesses surrounding us, let us also lay aside every encumbrance and the sin which so easily entangles us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us,

The Christian walk is a struggle.
Eph 6:12; For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
We are to strive for the kingdom.
Luke 13:24; "Strive to enter through the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able.
1 Tim 4:10; For it is for this we labor and strive, because we have fixed our hope on the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of believers.

To teach complacency, that Jesus gas already taken care of it all is a false doctrine. His work on the cross is finished, however ours is not.
Matt 5:16; "Let your light shine before men in such a way that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven.
John 9:4; "We must work the works of Him who sent Me as long as it is day; night is coming when no one can work.
John 14:12; "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do, he will do also; and greater works than these he will do; because I go to the Father.

We are not saved by works, however we are created to do God's works.
Eph 2:10; For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.
This isn't really about works, it's about walking the Christian walk.
Col 1:29; For this purpose also I labor, striving according to His power, which mightily works within me.
Eph 6:13; Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Jas 4:7; Submit therefore to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you.
1 Pet 5:9; But resist him, firm in your faith, knowing that the same experiences of suffering are being accomplished by your brethren who are in the world.
Php 2:12; So then, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your salvation with fear and trembling;
1 Tim 4:16; Pay close attention to yourself and to your teaching; persevere in these things, for as you do this you will ensure salvation both for yourself and for those who hear you.
2 Tim 2:10; For this reason I endure all things for the sake of those who are chosen, so that they also may obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus and with it eternal glory.
Heb 5:9; And having been made perfect, He became to all those who obey Him the source of eternal salvation,

1 Pet 1:7; That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:
1 Pet 1:9; Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.

The idea that all we have to do is "sit back" and let Jesus take care of it all is a false teaching. He takes care of saving us. After we are saved we must strive, we must resist,
we must work, run a race, be tested, endure to the end, God does not wicked and lazy servants, he wants those who he finds doing the masters work when he returns.
Yes God works through us, yes the Holy Spirit helps us, but neither of them force us to do anything. We must allow God to work in us, even when we don't feel like it.
We must allow him to reign in us. We must take every thought captive.
2 Cor 10:5; We are destroying speculations and every lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of God, and we are taking every thought captive to the obedience of Christ,

We have to take up our cross daily.
Luke 9:23; And He was saying to them all, "If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross daily and follow Me.

Those who are just sitting around thinking that they are doing God's work just by believing in him are deceiving themselves.
Jas 1:22; But prove yourselves doers of the word, and not merely hearers who delude themselves.
Matt 7:21; "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.

This Jesus "has already taken care of it all" is a false teaching.
 
It doesn't require anything from us to become saved other than to believe.

However once we become saved, a lot is required of us. Even Rom 8:9; (which I believe where the title of this thread comes from) has a condition.
Rom 8:9; But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
To sit back and think that God/Jesus takes care of everything without any effort from us is a false doctrine.

It takes effort on our part. We are in a battle, we will be tested.
Rom 12:21; Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
2 Pet 2:19; promising them freedom while they themselves are slaves of corruption; for by what a man is overcome, by this he is enslaved.
2 Pet 2:20; For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world by the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and are overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first.
Matt 10:22; "You will be hated by all because of My name, but it is the one who has endured to the end who will be saved.
Matt 24:13; "But the one who endures to the end, he will be saved.
Mark 13:13; "You will be hated by all because of My name, but the one who endures to the end, he will be saved.
Heb 3:6; but Christ was faithful as a Son over His house--whose house we are, if we hold fast our confidence and the boast of our hope firm until the end.
Heb 3:14; For we have become partakers of Christ, if we hold fast the beginning of our assurance firm until the end,
Rev 2:26; 'He who overcomes, and he who keeps My deeds until the end, TO HIM I WILL GIVE AUTHORITY OVER THE NATIONS;
2 Cor 13:5; Test yourselves to see if you are in the faith; examine yourselves! Or do you not recognize this about yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you--unless indeed you fail the test?
2 Cor 13:6; But I trust that you will realize that we ourselves do not fail the test.
1 Cor 9:24; Do you not know that those who run in a race all run, but only one receives the prize? Run in such a way that you may win.
1 Cor 9:27; but I discipline my body and make it my slave, so that, after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified.
Heb 12:1; Therefore, since we have so great a cloud of witnesses surrounding us, let us also lay aside every encumbrance and the sin which so easily entangles us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us,

The Christian walk is a struggle.
Eph 6:12; For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
We are to strive for the kingdom.
Luke 13:24; "Strive to enter through the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able.
1 Tim 4:10; For it is for this we labor and strive, because we have fixed our hope on the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of believers.

To teach complacency, that Jesus gas already taken care of it all is a false doctrine. His work on the cross is finished, however ours is not.
Matt 5:16; "Let your light shine before men in such a way that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven.
John 9:4; "We must work the works of Him who sent Me as long as it is day; night is coming when no one can work.
John 14:12; "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do, he will do also; and greater works than these he will do; because I go to the Father.

We are not saved by works, however we are created to do God's works.
Eph 2:10; For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.
This isn't really about works, it's about walking the Christian walk.
Col 1:29; For this purpose also I labor, striving according to His power, which mightily works within me.
Eph 6:13; Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.
Jas 4:7; Submit therefore to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you.
1 Pet 5:9; But resist him, firm in your faith, knowing that the same experiences of suffering are being accomplished by your brethren who are in the world.
Php 2:12; So then, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your salvation with fear and trembling;
1 Tim 4:16; Pay close attention to yourself and to your teaching; persevere in these things, for as you do this you will ensure salvation both for yourself and for those who hear you.
2 Tim 2:10; For this reason I endure all things for the sake of those who are chosen, so that they also may obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus and with it eternal glory.
Heb 5:9; And having been made perfect, He became to all those who obey Him the source of eternal salvation,

1 Pet 1:7; That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:
1 Pet 1:9; Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.

The idea that all we have to do is "sit back" and let Jesus take care of it all is a false teaching. He takes care of saving us. After we are saved we must strive, we must resist,
we must work, run a race, be tested, endure to the end, God does not wicked and lazy servants, he wants those who he finds doing the masters work when he returns.
Yes God works through us, yes the Holy Spirit helps us, but neither of them force us to do anything. We must allow God to work in us, even when we don't feel like it.
We must allow him to reign in us. We must take every thought captive.
2 Cor 10:5; We are destroying speculations and every lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of God, and we are taking every thought captive to the obedience of Christ,

We have to take up our cross daily.
Luke 9:23; And He was saying to them all, "If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross daily and follow Me.

Those who are just sitting around thinking that they are doing God's work just by believing in him are deceiving themselves.
Jas 1:22; But prove yourselves doers of the word, and not merely hearers who delude themselves.
Matt 7:21; "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.

This Jesus "has already taken care of it all" is a false teaching.

HI BAC - There is a measure of truth to your thread in that God will eventually manifest Himself by every Christian's life (Phil 2:13). If one is not a believer it will not manifest God "working in you"; which works all derive from the "fruit of the Spirit."

Your phrase in the last sentence "it all" should probably be defined, at least for me so I can accurately reply to you.
 
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*My understanding here is that the believer through being in Christ never requires a necessity of considering anything that can cause them to be overcome as concerning their salvation,

The response was specifically addressed to this sentence.

Your phrase in the last sentence "it all" should probably be defined, at least for me so I can accurately reply to you.

"It all" - all is a pretty broad subject. Jesus paid the price of sin for all. Once for all. Because of Jesus we don't have to be perfect. Because of Jesus we are forgiven.
However just because Jesus put "all the money in the bank" (so to speak) to cover our debts. We still are responsible for our bills. We still have to write out the checks ourselves.

I don't believe in predestination or non free-will. Now just because we don't always do God's will 100% of the time doesn't mean we lose our salvation or were never saved.
However, if we choose a sinful lifestyle, and choose to disobey God even after we "are saved" then perhaps we can lose our salvation (or as Calvinists believe, you were never saved).
Yes God can manifest himself through us, yes he works through us (if we let him). However this isn't a one time thing. This is a daily walk, a daily choice. Sometimes we don't
feel like doing it. (Some will say "well God is making me not feel like doing it today") but in reality that's the same thing as saying God is causing me to sin today. In fact if there is no
free will after I become saved, then in fact God "IS" causing me to do every sin I commit. Even after we are saved we do not do God's will 100% of the time. None of us do.
We have the ability to resist him. (I believe we even have the ability to leave him). So phrases like "if you are led of the spirit, you are not in the flesh" do not mean we are led of
the Spirit 100% of the time every single day. Rather it means we are "often" led by the Spirit, but sometimes we still resist in our flesh. We have the ability to quench the Spirit, to grieve the
Holy Spirit, to resist the Holy Spirit and ultimately resist God's will. Our will is not stronger than God's will. But it doesn't have to be. In fact he doesn't want robots whom he has to
force to bend to his will. He wants those who freely choose to submit to his will. This involves making daily choices on our part.
 
We still are responsible for our bills. We still have to write out the checks ourselves.

I see your meaning and like your analogy. Even so, my reply concerning the works of a Christian derive from Him "working" it all in and by us.
 
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