Again, I will answer three posts in this one:
Listen Sarg . I believe the bible and I do not care about our carnal thinking. I reveal what i believe the scriptures mean and try to reveal the best scriptures to reveal the truth .
It appears No answer i post is anything you understand or accept as Truth or can see ?
It ok with me if you feel I am not answering your question. because in my eyes I have !
Why are you here and what not reveal what you think about life and scriptures and the things you feel you understand or would like to share with others?
Spirit1st, I have been hiding nothing towards the subject were discussing... if is there something that someone want's to know about how I understand something just ask and I will answer in the best way that GOD allows me to.
About your answering... my friend, you haven't... I'm sorry but that is not what I've asked you...
I made you a simple question and you have given me an understanding of something that I did not ask... but the question you have not answered.
NetChaplain...
That's okay Sarg, we just do not understand one another enough to correspond for now. I do just want to include this passage though: "I will show you my faith by works" Jam 2:18. This is not intending to produce faith by works, but manifest faith by works, because "faith without works is dead" (non-existent faith). Thus, faith will produce works--no works, no faith. (every ant produces work)
That is what you've been doing... you quote your verses but never answer any of my questions ... it's been a one way talk.
OK.... I will assume than that you do not want to answer me.
Spirit1st...
I told you in my understand GOD given us all faith so we could be saved . Some lose there faith , and I believe it because they have no LOVE of the Truth . and love living in darkness .
This what I believe the scriptures reveal .
And I've asked you a simple question about that which seems to me a problem to your understanding but have not been answered.
But you do not say what you believe ? This is what I am interested in .
I think its been noticeable what I believe in, however if I can't get an answer out of you I will start to think that if I find you in error that will always be your reaction which makes any discussion pointless because you are not willing to "be wrong"... I'm not saying that's the case, but the question is still unanswered.
But like I said, if anyone want's to know something or test (a christian duty is to test every word to know if they are from God) about my faith just ask and I will gladly answer.
2Th_2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
Rom_2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
It always been about love and faith , Even before the world was Created by our LORD JESUS CHRIST.
2Th_2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
1Ti_5:6 But she that liveth in pleasure is dead while she liveth.
2Pe_2:13 And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you;
The problem is ? Sin does not bring Love or joy orb peace . It brings Death and separation from the One we were Created for , The LORD JESUS CHRIST.
The first question we must ask and understand is Why was mankind and this planet ever Created ?
Until we know and accept the correct answer we are not going to know much truth .
Rev_4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
Rom_12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
We were Created by LOVE to Love and be LOVED .
So we see why we were Created to begin with .
Now the Question is ? Are we going to serve our purpose or Not.
Gal_3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
Then we must ask ? What is a spiritual beginning?
that is being Born again , a New birth .
Joh_3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Joh_3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
1Pe_1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
And i think , you have already seen here on the site How to be born again . If your not already ?
And I've asked you a simple question about what you said (GOD gives faith to everyone) that seems to me a problem to your understanding... but have not been answered.
I think its been noticeable what I believe in, however if I can't get an answer out of you I will start to think that if I find you in error that will always be your reaction which makes any discussion pointless because you are not willing to "be wrong"... I'm not saying that's the case, but the question is still unanswered.
In order to see truth one has to see first the error ... if you feel the pain then you'll understand that you're sick and look for a cure.
For you to understand that there's a chance that I might be right in something that is against your faith you have to first understand that that is a chance that you might be wrong about that something... and that's what I've been doing, trying to show the faults of your faith and you have not being accepting them ... you've been avoiding to answer which is typical of who sees the problem but do not want to recognize it (well, I don't know if this is your state, but it sure looks so - however you know what to do to prove me wrong) ... I don't know much about your faith in many areas, but in this you are wrong Spirit1st.
But like I said, if anyone want's to know something or test (a christian duty is to test every word to know if they are from God so truth can be separated from evil) about my faith just ask and I will gladly answer as good has GOD let me.
Salvation has always been about faith Spirit1st ... the love that counts is not ours, but is the love of GOD that makes our faith count, because without HIS love our faith would be useless... HIS love, not ours.
He saves us by faith because HE loves us, not faith it self.
What makes us saved is faith, because HE want it to be like that... and faith is something that only a reborn can have faith, natural man are unable.
How to be reborn again? There's no recipe my friend... you do not ACHIEVE IT ... it's by the grace of God.... Well, I'll leave here a small text about the sons of GOD, not just for you but for everyone that wishes know my faith or ask something...
I WILL ANSWER... just one at the time because I'm not that fast writing in english and multiples subjects at a time tend to generate confusion.
Before reborning everyone hate's GOD thus is unable to love HIM or even to desire HIM or to be born or anything that has to do with GOD.... you only can want it, or desire it, or love HIM AFTER HE give birth to you by HIS will and not by your will and much less works, until then you're dead... and a dead man cannot even want to live, his dead.
Just like John said:
He came unto his own, and they that were his own received him not.
But as many as received him, to them gave he the right to become children of God, [even] to them that believe on his name:
who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
John 1:11-13
No one reborns out of his own will... because that will does not even exists in the natural man:
Now the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him; and he cannot know them, because they are spiritually judged.
1 Corinthians 2:14
No one can accept Jesus before GOD give him rebirth first... that is why Jesus said:
No man can come to me, except the Father that sent me draw him: and I will raise him up in the last day.
John 6:44
Because going to Jesus is not a decision of man but of GOD.
Now, you may say "but Jesus only saves who believes in him", that's truth... but faith itself is a gift from GOD not a achievement that can be lost, HE supports us not the other way around... that is why si written:
And the Gentiles, hearing this, were glad and gave glory to the word of God: and those marked out by God for eternal life had faith.
Acts 13:48
This are the ones that have faith... and the next ones are the ones that do not:
Now to you who believe, this stone is precious. But to those who do not believe, "The stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone,"
and, "A stone that causes people to stumble and a rock that makes them fall." They stumble because they disobey the message —which is also what they were destined for.
1 Peter 2:7-8
So, the act of having faith depends on HIM not men, and has we can see HE does not wants all to believe...
You may also say "1Timothy 2:4 says that God want's to save all people " ... yes, but all people who believes in him... not ALL PEOPLE.For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
John 3:16
If HE wanted to save ALL PEOPLE HE would not have made this rule "whoever believes"... but by making this rule distinction is made (was it not?).
Well, you may say many other things, and I wish you do so that if I am mistaken I may learn and be corrected because is more valuable for me to know the truth than to be "right"... but before presenting me with other verses (ignoring the ones I've shown like they weren't there) it would be more wise to explain them to me... because if every time that you can't explain a verse you just ignore it then this is an unfair discussion... or you can just say to me "that verse is wrong" and explain it why, that way I will hear your arguments.
For now I think is enough... I'll wait for your questions (if any).
My friend/s don't get me wrong ... I really mean well....
