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“Have we the true Children of God, been over ran”?

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Well in marriage / business relationships, yes. We are to have our Main friends as other believers.

No one is being yoked together in a church service.

Any church I've ever been in -- there has Always been an invitation time -- those wanting to know more about salvation, baptism , church membership any questions

I should Hope that the unsaved would be Welcome to come in to hear God's Word. Feel the convicting power of the Holy Spirit and respond in a positive / accepting way.
 
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Well in marriage / business relationships, yes. We are to have our Main friends as other believers.

No one is being yoked together in a church service.

Any church I've ever been in -- there has Always been an invitation time -- those wanting to know more about salvation, baptism , church membership any questions

I should Hope that the unsaved would be Welcome to come in to hear God's Word. Feel the convicting power of the Holy Spirit and respond in a positive / accepting way.
Well Sue, It's all according as to how we perceive a church, the church you speak of is the established church i.e. Anglican, Baptist, Methodist, Catholic. etc... Many would see these as worldly churches. This is unlike the early church where believers met in each others homes and kept themselves separate from synagogues. the method they used to evangelise was on the streets, in the hills etc... those who received Jesus were then invited into peoples homes and became part of the church. Believers had to be sure in those days because followers of Jesus were, in those days, persecuted. I pray that God will bless you Sue and lead us all into his truth. Bless you. Trevor.
 
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Actually I'm speaking of the Church that Jesus Christ founded.

The RCC's basic belief's are not based on Scripture. There were men within the RCC that were finding errors in it's teachings and were trying to reform from within, That didn't work so there became the Protestant Reformation -- thus, the Methodist, Presbyterian, Lutheran churches. Anglican, Baptist has their origins later.

And, yes, believers Were persecuted. In order To meet they had to do it secretly within individual homes.

There are the accounts of Jesus preaching/ teaching to the multitudes of people on the hill sides -- feeding the 5,000 and another feeding of the 4,000. Jesus Christ was busy performing miracles and teaching all who would listen. And He chose his 12 disciples to become fishers of men.

There's nothing 'worldly' about gathering as local groups in your town --- times change and people want to learn together and groups get bigger and bigger and some stay small.

How do you think the 7 churches in Asia came to be. The result of Paul's missionary journeys with various companions helping him.

Back in those days -- there was a period of persecution -- believers scattered all over -- and , in process, reached others with the Gospel. There have Always been periods of persecution. That is one way that the Gospel unto salvation Is spread. And Also by reaching out to neighbors / friends and inviting them to church with you.

And Now we are in a very different stage in history -- the virus and all the steps being taking to try to stop it. But people forget that we've had much worse flu / cold seasons that we see now. It started in China and spreads every where and fairly quickly because we're a very mobile world.

During these past few weeks -- life is being change For us -- temporarily -- how a person responds To this is up to the individual.
 
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Well in marriage / business relationships, yes. We are to have our Main friends as other believers.

No one is being yoked together in a church service.

Any church I've ever been in -- there has Always been an invitation time -- those wanting to know more about salvation, baptism , church membership any questions

I should Hope that the unsaved would be Welcome to come in to hear God's Word. Feel the convicting power of the Holy Spirit and respond in a positive / accepting way.
Amen...

through out my life time there has always been the men who tell us not to listen to men . . They most often are the ones who have a full and complete knowledge of Scripture that the 'church ' does not have. The Scriptures tell us not to forsake the gathering together , and
Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
Eph 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

Countless cults have been developed by such men
 
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Amen...

through out my life time there has always been the men who tell us not to listen to men . . They most often are the ones who have a full and complete knowledge of Scripture that the 'church ' does not have. The Scriptures tell us not to forsake the gathering together , and
Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
Eph 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

Countless cults have been developed by such men
Reba, It's always wise to remember that it was the church of the day that had Jesus crucified. Throughout history men have abused the church. the Catholics headed by the Pope had the inquisition, the protestants, headed by the monarch produced Cromwell. In our own time there are those in the clergy of both Catholic and Protestant who abuse children, and put more store in repairing ancient buildings than feeding the poor, in fact there are many so-called houses of God that one can't enter unless they pay. I would rather give my tithe to someone in need than use it to buy lead for the roof of a building covered in gargoyles. I am a Christian, born again in the Spirit of God. I believe the scriptures are inspired by the Spirit of God and are there to be obeyed and when I meet a like-minded 'living stone' who diligently follows the teachings of Jesus and the apostles that he ordained I then experience his Church. bless you.
 
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Reba, It's always wise to remember that it was the church of the day that had Jesus crucified. Throughout history men have abused the church. the Catholics headed by the Pope had the inquisition, the protestants, headed by the monarch produced Cromwell. In our own time there are those in the clergy of both Catholic and Protestant who abuse children, and put more store in repairing ancient buildings than feeding the poor, in fact there are many so-called houses of God that one can't enter unless they pay. I would rather give my tithe to someone in need than use it to buy lead for the roof of a building covered in gargoyles. I am a Christian, born again in the Spirit of God. I believe the scriptures are inspired by the Spirit of God and are there to be obeyed and when I meet a like-minded 'living stone' who diligently follows the teachings of Jesus and the apostles that he ordained I then experience his Church. bless you.
Trevor i think we are saying the same thing only phrased a bit differently .
 
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(Daniel 11: 29-35)NIV.

29“At the appointed time he will invade the South again, but this time the outcome will be different from what it was before. 30Ships of the western coastlands will oppose him, and he will lose heart. Then he will turn back and vent his fury against the holy covenant. He will return and show favor to those who forsake the holy covenant.

31“His armed forces will rise up to desecrate the temple fortress and will abolish the daily sacrifice. Then they will set up the abomination that causes desolation. 32With flattery he will corrupt those who have violated the covenant, but the people who know their God will firmly resist him.

33“Those who are wise will instruct many, though for a time they will fall by the sword or be burned or captured or plundered. 34When they fall, they will receive a little help, and many who are not sincere will join them. 35Some of the wise will stumble, so that they may be refined, purified and made spotless until the time of the end, for it will still come at the appointed time.
 
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Reba, It's always wise to remember that it was the church of the day that had Jesus crucified.
Actually it was his own Father. God himself who had Jesus crucified. "The Lamb of God"

I would rather give my tithe to someone in need than use it to buy lead for the roof of a building covered in gargoyles.
Tithing was done away with 2000 yrs ago, but give to the needy all you can. Your New High Priest is from the tribe of Judah, the Law was for the Levites of the priest hood to collect tithes from the other 11 tribes, and the Levitical priesthood ended the day Jesus was crucified. It's in Hebrews 7:11-12.

And one last thing.

As long as your looking at evil outside yourself you will never find the evil lurking in you that must be eradicated. Your obedience must be fulfilled first.
 
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Matt 16:21 " From that time forth began Jesus to show unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and
scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day."
22- "Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: THIS SHALL NOT BE UNTO THEE."
23- "But he turned and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me Satan: thou art an offense unto me: FOR THOU SAVOREST NOT THE THINGS THAT BE OF GOD, but those
that be of men."

He became obedient even unto the death of the cross which was foreordained for him before the world was formed.
Why would you suppose he forgave them and said "They know not what they do" and indeed they did not. But he knew that his obedience unto death would bring
him a kingdom along with all power in heaven and in earth at his resurrection. And having been perfected by his suffering he became the author of eternal salvation
to all those who obey him.

Does this sound like a mans plan or Gods?
 

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