ICE Torturing and Killing Immigrants

God does not change Num 23:19, and neither does His character. The idea that loving our enemies is somehow a New Covenant principle that was absent in the Old Covenant is simply incorrect.

The Jews were also commanded to love their enemies. Consider Exodus 23:4-5, which instructs them to help even an enemy whose animal had gone astray or fallen under its burden. Leviticus 19:18 commands them to love their neighbour, and Proverbs 25:21 explicitly instructs them to feed their enemy if he is hungry and give him water if he is thirsty. These principles existed long before the New Covenant.

Furthermore, leaving vengeance to the Lord does not mean that justice is abolished. Romans 12:19-21 teaches us not to take personal vengeance, but Romans 13:1-4 makes it equally clear that governing authorities are appointed by God to administer justice and punish wrongdoing.

Self-defence is also a separate issue entirely. Loving your enemy does not mean that you must passively submit to violence or that defending innocent people is somehow contrary to Christian charity.

We should be careful not to confuse personal hatred and vengeance with legitimate justice, nor should we pretend that the Old Testament taught a different moral character of God. God has always expected His people to act justly, show mercy and love others, including their enemies.
I agree. I was thinking of the laws that require stoning adulterers, etc. They are no longer operational under the New Covenant. Love is the fulfillment of the law.
 
Untrue.
Defense of self and others from evil people is justified.
God did NOT create us to be pacifists, puppets, and do nothing while others are hurt or killed.

"No justification"? Says you?
I agree, but at the same time whatever motivates us to help others must be done froma spirit of love and not hatred and vengence. The problem is a majority of Christians have never allowed God to form Jesus' character in them and they are merely functioing in a vindictive religious spirit.
 
If people open their eyes and ears they will see it is judgement that is raining upon America there has been no Rightous fruit produced by the leader down for a minute whats the Lord say will happen?..Seek Him while He can still be found..

He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty.bI will say of the LORD, He is my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I trust. Surely he shall deliver thee from the snare of the fowler, and from the noisome pestilence. He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust: his truth shall be thy shield and buckler. Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night; nor for the arrow that flieth by day; Nor for the pestilence that walketh in darkness; nor for the destruction that wasteth at noonday. A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; but it shall not come nigh thee. Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold and see the reward of the wicked. Because thou hast made the LORD, which is my refuge, even the most High, thy habitation; There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling.
For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways. They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone.Thou shalt tread upon the lion and adder: the young lion and the dragon shalt thou trample under feet. Because he hath set his love upon me, therefore will I deliver him: I will set him on high, because he hath known my name. He shall call upon me, and I will answer him: I will be with him in trouble; I will deliver him, and honour him. With long life will I satisfy him, and shew him my salvation.

Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues
 
Dear Brethren,
Please consider the following verses in your response to the question that follows:

Romans 13:9-10 For the commandments, "You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet," and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." 10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Question: Are you loving your neighbor if you condone and enable behavior that violates moral standards widely accepted by humanity as binding on everyone, regardless of whether a person personally accepts those standards as absolute truth?

With the Love in Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
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Dear Brethren,
Please consider the following verses in your response to the question that follows:

Romans 13:9-10 For the commandments, "You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet," and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." 10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Question: Are you loving your neighbor if you condone and enable behavior that violates moral standards widely accepted by humanity as binding on everyone, regardless of whether a person personally accepts those standards as absolute truth?

With the Love in Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
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Hi Nick,
I gave myself over to Yashua and no longer live by what is acceptable standards. I do my best to live b the Word.
 
First and foremost in any issue is scripture.
Agreed.
Before any scripture can be consulted identity must be affirmed and in the present case the ID is Islam and the Muslim is the self declared enemy of every Jew and Follower of The Book (Christian).
You'll have to explain this and how this is relevant in regards to this thread which is " ICE Torturing and Killing immigrants",
Then there is the fox in the hen house, the Democratic Socialists of America who has taken over the DNC.
I still dont see the relevance of this to the discussion, please explain further. And how many members of Congress do the "Democratic Socialists of America" have in the DNC to exert control over it?.

I am old and of no value to either enemy and either or both will kill me but you young people need to fall down, worship YHWH and, repent.
No matter how old we are, if we still have our faculties then we can be a Disciple of Christ in this Evil world, and as to being killed or persecuted, it seems to me that comes with the territory of being a follower of Christ. Matthew 5:10-14.
 
The Left (Satan lovers) LOVE to lie and exaggerate the truth.
They make statements, text or verbally, with no evidence to back it. Most oftent hey get angry and violence when you prove them wrong.
We ALL lie, we ALL transgress the laws of God because we are ALL wretched sinners, I guess its just the extent to which we do it. So i would be interested in your references for your statement and particularly in relation to your assertion that the "left" are "Satan Lovers" and "love to lie and exaggerate the truth", also what evidence do you have that they "often get angry and violent when proved wrong". Thanks
 
We ALL lie, we ALL transgress the laws of God because we are ALL wretched sinners, I guess its just the extent to which we do it. So i would be interested in your references for your statement and particularly in relation to your assertion that the "left" are "Satan Lovers" and "love to lie and exaggerate the truth", also what evidence do you have that they "often get angry and violent when proved wrong". Thanks
Your a joke n a hypocrite..

You like many will be lead to the pit of hell..you who allowed danger into your country you who allowed the rapist rape the children n woman..
Your words will testify of the horrors you allowed to your country that the entrusted you with..you show your heathen ways..

I'm j.s
Fyi I won't respond to you nor eat you evil hypocritical words..you blasphemous heathen..
 
Jesus gave us the great commission.
Thats true, and each of us that profess to be a follower of his can be a part of that "great commission", but whether we are or not will depends on our faithfulness, our actions and the judgement of God.
It's Jesus' top priority so consequently it's satan's top priority to destroy the great commission by destroying the Christian countries. While well meaning, many Christians don't see satan's plan and cooperate in the destruction of their country.
How are there "Christian countries" when in Luke 4:5-8 Satan offered Christ ALL the Kingdoms of this world if he would fall down and worship him. The Kingdoms of this world , ALL of them, are in Satans power, and looking round this evil world thats not hard to disbelieve, within each country there are "saved" followers of Christ, although not that many according to Christs words in Matthew 7:21-23, but dont confuse that with a Country professing "Christian" values. ALL countries are selfish in nature and act in self interest and a lust for power and greed, much like most of the individuals that make up the country, there are no "Christian Countries" ,just individuals who will be judged worthy and many who will not.
 
Your a joke n a hypocrite..

You like many will be lead to the pit of hell..you who allowed danger into your country you who allowed the rapist rape the children n woman..
Your words will testify of the horrors you allowed to your country that the entrusted you with..you show your heathen ways..

I'm j.s
Fyi I won't respond to you nor eat you evil hypocritical words..you blasphemous heathen.
I pray that you will find the Love and compassion of Christ within your heart and learn to live your life on the firm rock of his truth, for we are ALL in dire need of such prayers, some more than others.
 
I pray that you will find the Love and compassion of Christ within your heart and learn to live your life on the firm rock of his truth, for we are ALL in dire need of such prayers, some more than others.
Please don't pray to satan for me im good i follow the Living God.. your prayers for my doom will do you no good..
Keep on rooting for children in your country to be raped n murder..seems ya god is listening to you ey?
 
No excuse? NONE?

Psalm 82:4 "Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked."
Such words of Justice and compassion, Judgement is the Lords and will be executed in his own good time. Until then we must do all we can to "Love others as we Love ourselves" and "treat others as we'd want them to treat us".
Where is this universal, 100% every person agreed definition "cruelty"?
There is no "100% every person agreed definition of Cruelty", although most of us can subjectively assess what is cruel or otherwise by asking the question, "what if we were the one suffering, would we think we're being treated cruelly?", and more importantly given Christs life of Love, Justice and compassion, how do we believe he would judge the situation. Do you think if Christ entered an ICE detention centre he would find the treatment of those "Strangers" acceptable?.

Kim Jong Un thinks it's fine to run his country like a communist so apparently that's ok according to the Left.
You have often called me "left", although i describe myself as neither "Right" or "Left" but "Christ centred" , as i believe that Christs teachings and commandments transcend any notion of Political categorisation that we care to give them. As someone who has studied to a limited degree the Horrors of the North Korean regime, especially the brutality in their Concentration Camps, i have little reserve in saying that while there are so many examples of Evil and gross Evil in this dark world, the North Korean regime is close to the top when it comes to the perpetration of Evil. I have read of Human experimentation, slave like conditions, brutality, torture and executions committed as "normal" and one scene i cant get out of my head is of a mother forced by continuous beatings to drown her newly born child in a bucket of water.

There is no Justice or accountabiltiy in this corrupt and evil world and i pray nightly for its ending, for Christ to come again in his glory, but until he does we must all try our best to follow his teachings of Love and Compassion, however pitiful are actions may seem, we are the "Light of this World" and must "let that light shine before men so they may see our good works and glorify our Father which is in Heaven". Matthew 5 13-16.
 
Please don't pray to satan for me im good i follow the Living God.. your prayers for my doom will do you no good..
Keep on rooting for children in your country to be raped n murder..seems ya god is listening to you ey?
Even through all your harsh words and abuse i will still pray for you whether you want me to or not, for that is my choice and not yours, for as Wretched sinners we are ALL in need of such prayers. Matthew 5:44.
 
Even through all your harsh words and abuse i will still pray for you whether you want me to or not, for that is my choice and not yours, for as Wretched sinners we are ALL in need of such prayers. Matthew 5:44.
Ya i get ya need to that demon that ya follow and obey to attack me.. darkness hates the Light..

Even the demons need something to do ey?

Guess ya ain't got enough rapes n murdering of children around ya to keep ya happy ey?
 
Even through all your harsh words and abuse i will still pray for you whether you want me to or not, for that is my choice and not yours, for as Wretched sinners we are ALL in need of such prayers. Matthew 5:44.

Keep acting like you stupid n dont know better..the Time is coming to eat that rotten fruit you have planted
 
Even through all your harsh words and abuse i will still pray for you whether you want me to or not, for that is my choice and not yours, for as Wretched sinners we are ALL in need of such prayers. Matthew 5:44.
Even the man-pleaser who uttereth law guilefully.

And their eyes (are fixed) upon any man's house that is (still) secure, That they may, like (the) Serpent, destroy the wisdom of . . . with words of transgressors,

His words are deceitful that (he) may accomplish (his) wicked desire.

He never ceaseth from scattering (families) as though (they were) orphans,

Yea, he layeth waste a house on account of (his) lawless desire.
He deceiveth with words, (saying,) There is none that seeth, or judgeth.
He fills one (house) with lawlessness, And (then) his eyes (are fixed) upon the next house, To destroy it with words that give wing to (desire).

Yet with all these his soul, like Sheol, is not sated.

Let his portion, O Lord, be dishonoured before thee Let him go forth groaning and come home cursed.

Let his life be (spent) in anguish, and penury, and want, O Lord;
Let his sleep be (beset) with pains and his awaking with perplexities.

Let sleep be withdrawn from his eyelids at night; Let him fail dishonorably in every work of his hands.

Let him come home empty-handed to his house, And his house be void of everything wherewith he could sate his appetite.
Let his old age (be spent) in childless loneliness until his removal (by death).
Let the flesh of the men-pleasers be rent by wild beast And (let) the bones of the lawless (lie) dishonored in the sight of the sun.

Let ravens peck out the eyes of the hypocrites.

For they have laid waste many houses of men, in dishonor, And scattered (them) in (their) lust And they have not remembered God,

Nor feared God in all these things;

But they have provoked God's anger and vexed Him.

May He remove them from off the earth,

Because with deceit they beguiled the souls of the flawless.
lessed are they that fear the Lord in their flawlessness
 
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