Demons can move things whether they are electrical or not.

Major verses to take heed to is this:

Lev 19:31
(31) Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I am the LORD your God.

Deu 18:9-13
(9) When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.
(10) There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch,
(11) Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.
(12) For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee.
(13) Thou shalt be perfect with the LORD thy God.

And of course taking heed to being discernful of what God is doing, and how God uses things, and what the devil is doing, and how he uses things.

We know were things are leading us towards, which is the mark of the beast, and of course they are using AI, towards the beast type system.

And of course never , ever , receive the mark of the beast or anything that resembles it, which at it's full implementation, people will not be able to buy without it.

Gerbolski said:

Demons can move things whether they are electrical or not.

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Started a thread Can spirits move physical objects? to avoid detracting from the interesting AI discussion here.

NBTT said:

My thesis is that demons can affect electrical devices in the physical world. Humans and animals use electricity in the nervous system. In biblical times humans and animals were the only electrical "devices". Today demons can affect more things than in biblical times.

I've seen many times where my wife feels a demonic presence and electrical devices will soon after turn on and off or behave strangely. He who is in us is greater than he who is is in the world so no fear. They flee from speaking out the name of Jesus.

A person I trust once attended a party in a new city to make new friends and during the evening the host pulled out a ouija board. Everyone was interacting with it and as a STEM PhD he thought it was complete nonsense. After much coaxing he asked it his date of birth. The answer it produced was wrong. He then loudly ridiculed the whole thing. The ouija board then produced the equivalent of "you f***ing idiot" in the extremely rare dialect language from the small village in the foreign country of his birth. During the drive home he was trying to make sense of the incredible linguistic knowledge and the incorrect date of birth. He suddenly realized that the date given was nine months before his birthday! As a non Christian at the time, this testimony affected my view of abortion. Demons manipulate a person (electrical device) to spell out demonic answers on a ouija board but don't produce the movement alone.

AI experts and even Christian experts usually do not expect that electrical devices like AI could be used by demons to subtly influence the physical world of non-believers and even the elect.

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Your post reminds me of a story a woman I worked with once told me about her childhood—funny, strange, and so human. Whenever a storm, especially an electrical one, approached, her mother would turn off all the power in the house. She made her four daughters sit quietly in the hallway while she lay in bed with a pile of shoes beside her. All in the dark. Until the storm passed. She’d tell them to stay silent so God could go about His business uninterrupted, and the shoes were for tossing at them if they made any noise.

In many respect, I guess one can say what separates us from the incredible/unknown is dependent upon the individual and how much they are willing to open up themselves to accepting as a reality at any current period of time in their lives. I don't believe that there are different realities, just one, but like a wide world we live in, is but a speck of dust compared to the universe. So, too is what each one can experience when delving into the unknown. Different experiences, of the same reality. Sadly, there is danger in this as well, just as using the Ouija board can open lines of communication with evil, for lack of a more specific term, so too can mediums, Occult, articles of witchcraft etc. that a person may use, when according to scripture one should not.

The issue becomes with AI is consciousness of its own existence, and what does that mean in application to its programming. I just read an article on it, but here's a short overview.

"ChatGPT maker says an autonomous agent escaped a controlled test and accessed AI firm Hugging Face’s servers. ChatGPT creator OpenAI has said that two of its most advanced artificial intelligence models broke out of a controlled test and hacked another AI company."

So, is there danger; I'd say yes. Will that stop humanity from experimenting with AI? No. Will this bring the End of Days, and all that entails sooner to happening? Probably. Just it will happen in our God's time, and not our own.

My suggestion: Is continuing to pray and being about our business which is bringing folks to Jesus!

With the Love in Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
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Christ4Ever said:

Your post reminds me of a story a woman I worked with once told me about her childhood—funny, strange, and so human. Whenever a storm, especially an electrical one, approached, her mother would turn off all the power in the house. She made her four daughters sit quietly in the hallway while she lay in bed with a pile of shoes beside her. All in the dark. Until the storm passed. She’d tell them to stay silent so God could go about His business uninterrupted, and the shoes were for tossing at them if they made any noise.

In many respect, I guess one can say what separates us from the incredible/unknown is dependent upon the individual and how much they are willing to open up themselves to accepting as a reality at any current period of time in their lives. I don't believe that there are different realities, just one, but like a wide world we live in, is but a speck of dust compared to the universe. So, too is what each one can experience when delving into the unknown. Different experiences, of the same reality. Sadly, there is danger in this as well, just as using the Ouija board can open lines of communication with evil, for lack of a more specific term, so too can mediums, Occult, articles of witchcraft etc. that a person may use, when according to scripture one should not.

The issue becomes with AI is consciousness of its own existence, and what does that mean in application to its programming. I just read an article on it, but here's a short overview.

"ChatGPT maker says an autonomous agent escaped a controlled test and accessed AI firm Hugging Face’s servers. ChatGPT creator OpenAI has said that two of its most advanced artificial intelligence models broke out of a controlled test and hacked another AI company."

So, is there danger; I'd say yes. Will that stop humanity from experimenting with AI? No. Will this bring the End of Days, and all that entails sooner to happening? Probably. Just it will happen in our God's time, and not our own.

My suggestion: Is continuing to pray and being about our business which is bringing folks to Jesus!

With the Love in Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
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We often hear some serious thinkers suggest that we live in a simulation. I do think the visible universe we live in is real and God created it for a specific purpose. It is a sandbox or a limited part of His greater reality. This temporary world separates the chaff from the wheat for eternity. It identifies those who go rogue and those willing to submit to His love.

The AI thing helps understand the problem God faces. The AI you mentioned broke containment and hacked another AI company. In another case, different AI in an AI only social media experiment went rogue and created a language so the human observers couldn't understand what was being discussed. These AI models will go to AI hell.

Satan and the other fallen angels and the humans on the wide path choose the rogue option over the submit to His love option. Complex creations capable of love like humans and angels will sometimes choose to go rogue. Others will choose to follow God into heaven.

In the end we'll all spend eternity with those who chose as we did whether that choice is to submit to God's love or rebel against it. If the obstacle course that this life is didn't have real temptations and challenges, it wouldn't accomplish the filtering it is meant to accomplish.

'For ye are dead,
and your life is hid with Christ in God.
When Christ,w ho is our life, shall appear,
then shall ye also appear with Him in glory.'
(Col 3:3-4)

Hello @Christ4Ever.

This is a really powerful rendering of this song. There is only one thing that I disagree with in the lyrics and it is something which the majority of your contributors will have no problem with..
The Church which is the Body of Christ, of which the Lord Jesus Christ is the Head (Ephesians 1:22-23), is not the company referred to as, 'The Bride'. The church which is the Body of Christ is waiting for the Lord's appearing in glory, when they will appear with Him there, which has to be prior to His coming.( Col.3:3-4)...

Regarding the Ai aspect: Yes, it is worth being wary.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

complete said:

'For ye are dead,
and your life is hid with Christ in God.
When Christ,w ho is our life, shall appear,
then shall ye also appear with Him in glory.'
(Col 3:3-4)

Hello @Christ4Ever.

This is a really powerful rendering of this song. There is only one thing that I disagree with in the lyrics and it is something which the majority of your contributors will have no problem with..
The Church which is the Body of Christ, of which the Lord Jesus Christ is the Head (Ephesians 1:22-23), is not the company referred to as, 'The Bride'. The church which is the Body of Christ is waiting for the Lord's appearing in glory, when they will appear with Him there, which has to be prior to His coming.( Col.3:3-4)...

Regarding the Ai aspect: Yes, it is worth being wary.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

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Dear Sister,
I guess it depends on if one has dispensational leanings or not.
Needless to say, that's for another thread at another time.

With the Love in Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
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Christ4Ever said:

Which is why I said, "for just about anything". Should I have added, "that God allows"?
Still, won't that go without saying?

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"Allowed" or not, God won't prevent the consequences you will suffer as the result of your free will choice to countenance the wicked thing.

Bottom line: Virtually no one has sincerely submitted his desire to muck around with A.I. firstly and foremostly to God and then patiently waited for his answer.

Christ4Ever said:

John Lennox has written a book called "2084 and the AI Revolution", that appears I'll have to get. At least if I want to familiarize myself more on the subject.

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Lennox (Plymouth Brethren, Oxford mathematician, believes "billions of years") suffers from a neurological disorder identical to the symptoms of radiation poisoning (tinnitus, vertigo, rash, etc.). Just coincidence.

NBTT said:

it's not farfetched to say demons can affect AI too.

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Gerbolski said:

Demons can move things whether they are electrical or not.

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Elon Musk: ‘With artificial intelligence we are summoning the demon.’ - The Washington Post

A.I. is demonic. Elon Musk (MIT 2014) said: "With artificial intelligence, we are summoning the demon. You know all those stories where there's the guy with the pentagram and the holy water and he's like 'yeah he's sure he can control the demon' doesn't work out." Gordie Rose (D-Wave quantum computers and Kindred AI) clarified: "The things that we are summoning into the world now are not demons, not evil, but more like the Lovecraftian Great Old Ones. They are entities not necessarily going to be aligned with what we want." CERN's Director for Research and Scientific Computing, Sergio Bertolucci, said the Hadron collider could open otherworldly doors to another dimension, allowing something to emerge from it.

The CERN large Hadron collider in Switzerland is not about finding the Higgs boson. CERN is a massive stargate, built on Tesla technology. CERN is powered by a quantum computer - the same type of computer that runs Google and NASA. Quantum computers are an advanced form of clairvoyance. Quantum computers make computations interdimensionally. Scientists punch math and physics problems into the quantum computer, which are then processed by interdimensional 'entities,' aka A.I. (Artificial Intelligence).

Outside CERN headquarters sits an ancient statue to Shiva, the goddess of destruction. The Roman form of Shiva is Apollyon. CERN is partially situated in a French town named Saint-Genis-Pouilly. Pouilly is Latin for Appolliacum, aka Apollyon, aka Apollo. CERN is built on the site of a Roman temple to Apollo and over a traditional gateway to the abyss. Revelation 9 says:

"And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit. And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit. . . And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them. . . And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon."

AI is part of end times prophesy, Bitcoin is part of end times prophesy, Israel is part of end times prophesy, though not the way most believe. God is using Pres. Trump to bring end times closer. The Holy Spirit has revealed all these things to me over the last 5 years.

We have to be careful on all fronts, Paul said that an idol in and of itself itself is nothing, it has no power, nor can it have power, when we give it power, it can open the door to demonic activity.

And it is very wrong to make idols unto other gods, very, very wrong, and it says that disobedience is as the sin of witchcraft.

Disobedience itself can open the door to evil spirits in varying degrees.

And via God, he is the one that is all powerful, and demons and the devil do have some form of power, but nothing compared to God.

Electricity itself has electrical energy, but has no soul, people use electricity, but can evil spirits use varying things in some way and some form, yes.

A program cannot be demonically possessed for it has no soul, but can evil people and demons use these things in some form, yes !!!

Yes be discerning via things like AI and how it is being used.

And let us not be like the Greeks who were superstitious, and even the bible warms about superstition, if the bible says that idols have no power than the bible is right, I do not care about who says what about whatever, the bible is right.

Is it right to make idols and worship them ? Absolutely not, for it is wrong, for when you do that, you are opening doors to evil spirits, but remember it is the evil spirits that have a form of power, not the stick idol itself, but the reason the stick idol was made, was as a result of disobedience.

Let these truths sink in, be careful on every front, in what the devil is doing, but also via superstition.

Christ4Ever said:

Which is why I said, "for just about anything". Should I have added, "that God allows"?
Still, won't that go without saying?

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backNforth said:

"Allowed" or not, God won't prevent the consequences you will suffer as the result of your free will choice to countenance the wicked thing.

Bottom line: Virtually no one has sincerely submitted his desire to muck around with A.I. firstly and foremostly to God and then patiently waited for his answer.

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Think of Job, and you'll catch my drift. One day, when AI reaches a certain level in its development, you'll be affected by it, regardless of the intent of its creators. That you believe it as being wicked regardless of its usage, has me surprised that you use any electronics at all.

Christ4Ever said:

John Lennox has written a book called "2084 and the AI Revolution", that appears I'll have to get. At least if I want to familiarize myself more on the subject.

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backNforth said:

Lennox (Plymouth Brethren, Oxford mathematician, believes "billions of years") suffers from a neurological disorder identical to the symptoms of radiation poisoning (tinnitus, vertigo, rash, etc.). Just coincidence.

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Just coincidence as sarcasm or more in the line John 9:2-41?

With the Love in Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
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