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Do the Protesters even know what they are Protesting ( Minneapolis).

Thanks for this reply Brother Nick, I know that we disagree on the fact, whether or not. as Christians, we should go along with the wishes of the majority or laws of the Country, even if they go against the teachings of Christ. I am not so much concerned with the Legality of an action, but whether it contravenes Christs teaching , which i feel override any legal considerations.
There in is the problem between us. You don't see the laws put in place as being required for us to follow when it in truth doesn't countermand the laws of God, Jesus. Jesus did not break the law of the day. He was able to show according to Scripture when they accused him of it, that it was allowed. You have yet not been able to show that, at least to me. :)

For myself, the Sovereignty of Christs teachings come before any man made law or tradition. And when Christ said to his "Sheep" one of the reasons why they were chosen for Salvation was, " I was a Stranger and you took me in,......for when you do this to the least of these my Brethren you have done it to me", then thats how , as a follower of Christ, i must try to live my life.
The teachings are not sovereign, Jesus Christ is, because He is God. What you said there is exactly what the Pharisee's & Sadducees did with the very law that was given to them by God. They took teachings/law to mean one thing, when the intent of God was something else entirely. They focused on the object and not the Source which is Who it was intended to bring them closer to.

I agree with you Brother Nick, my beliefs, if not based on the teachings of Christ, are irrelevant, and i think we all need to examine regularly whether or not the way we think and act is attuned to Christs teaching of Love and Compassion for those suffering and in need.
It's not the teachings of Christ, but the relationship it is supposed to build between you and Him that can't be done by rote. It is ongoing, and an eternal relationship between, you, me, all, and God.

I dont see myself as a "citizen" of any country Brother Nick, i see my allegiance to Christ alone, for as Christ so rightly said " You cant serve two Masters......" and i see Christs call to love others as i love myself wherever suffering and injustice occur in Gods world. ......" As to moving to the US and standing for office, i dont think you'd take me Brother Nick, and if by chance i was accepted and ran myself, whos going to vote vote for someone whos anti militarism, pro open borders, anti abortion, anti rich, pro poor, pro Environment and above all calls on voters to Love God and treat others as theyd like to be treated, not really an agenda for high office! :)
lol - don't extrapolate his word to fit every situation! It is not meant to be that way. Sadly, you do it too often, because as you see it you are not a citizen of a particular country, though you are, but of the world. Dominionism

You could run as a Democrat if you came here, because though ungodly in their belief, the things you would promote is what they do believe in.

With the Love of Christ Jesus, Brother Steve!
YBIC
Nick
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There in is the problem between us. You don't see the laws put in place as being required for us to follow when it in truth doesn't countermand the laws of God, Jesus. Jesus did not break the law of the day. He was able to show according to Scripture when they accused him of it, that it was allowed. You have yet not been able to show that, at least to me. :)
We must obey the laws of the land only in as much as they dont contravene the teachings of Christ, if they do, then our allegiance is not to Man made Laws but to the law of God. Acts 5:29
Acts 5:29
Then Peter, and the other apostles, answered and said

Peter began, as the mouth of the apostles, being the eldest man, and very bold and zealous; and the rest followed, or joined, with him in what he said:
we ought to obey God rather than men;
this is said in answer to the charge of disobedience to the orders and commands of the council: men, civil magistrates, and ecclesiastical rulers, are to be obeyed in things which are not repugnant to the will of God; but in things that are, God is to be obeyed, and not men. God had commanded by an angel, that the apostles should go to the temple, and there preach the doctrines of the Gospel; the sanhedrim had forbid them to speak and teach in the name of Christ; who were now to be obeyed? God, and not men: from whence it

We are commanded by Christ to follow his teachings and teach others the same, to do any differently would be to build our lives on Sand rather than on the solid rock of Faith. Matthew 7 24:27.
The teachings are not sovereign, Jesus Christ is, because He is God. What you said there is exactly what the Pharisee's & Sadducees did with the very law that was given to them by God. They took teachings/law to mean one thing, when the intent of God was something else entirely. They focused on the object and not the Source which is Who it was intended to bring them closer to.
But if Christ is Sovereign then surely so are his teachings, if Christ is your Lord then you cant claim to follow him if you disregard his teachings.
It's not the teachings of Christ, but the relationship it is supposed to build between you and Him that can't be done by rote. It is ongoing, and an eternal relationship between, you, me, all, and God.
I'm not saying it can be "built by rote", we do what we do because we Love God, but that relationship of love has to built upon the solid foundations of Christs teachings.
lol - don't extrapolate his word to fit every situation! It is not meant to be that way. Sadly, you do it too often, because as you see it you are not a citizen of a particular country, though you are, but of the world. Dominionism
I believe that Christs teachings should permeate into every aspect of my life, there are no divisions, no lines of demarcation, whether it be the spiritual, the moral, the political or the economic, for if we give our lives to Christ then it should be our whole lives, not just parts of it. And yes, legally, i am a "citizen of the UK, but i was referring to citizenship more in terms of allegiance. i feel no allegiance to the UK, or to any country, and definitely not the World itself, my allegiance is to Christ alone, and i try to follow his teachings wherever the need arises in Gods World.
You could run as a Democrat if you came here, because though ungodly in their belief, the things you would promote is what they do believe in.
No i couldnt run as a Democrat Brother Nick, i couldnt tie myself to any particular political Party for to do so would mean having to accept policies that i couldnt support, 20 years ago i was quite heavily involved in politics and found that the compromises i had to make in achieving a common aim were destroying the very Christian principles i hold so dear. And this is the problem with owing allegiance to any earthly group, it means compromise, and that compromise eats away at the soul until your faith becomes meaningless. This is why Christ said " You cant serve 2 masters,... you cannot serve God and Mammon", and what could be more Mammon then politics whose principle goals are power and Money.
But i'd be interested to know why you call Democrats "Ungodly", are you implying that Republicans are in some way "Godly"?. For myself, i regard us ALL as "ungodly", for which of us can stand before God on our own merits, and the world we have created is fundamentally Evil, ruled by greed, self interest and an indifference to the suffering we cause.
Just 2 examples that come to mind, after cutting billions of $'s in overseas aid last year which could cost 14 million lives over the coming years, i saw that the "War" Secretary is asking Congress for another $200 billion to pursue the war in Iran, and that in his first year in office Donald Trump had personally made $1.4 billion in selling his own merchandise, from watches at $500, to his own Broad band services, to personally signed Guitars at $11000 each and signed copies of the Bible at $1000 each. Are these the actions of a "Godly" administration.
It seems to me that power corrupts, and the more power , the greater the corruption, so no, i'd never get involved in politics, i support and reject individual policies where they agree or conflict with Christs teachings, but to give my allegiance to any political party would be to align myself with that power and corruption, and i have enough sins on my soul without adding more.

With the love of Christ Jesus Brother Nick

Steve
With the Love of Christ Jesus, Brother Steve!
YBIC
Nick
\o/
<><
 
We must obey the laws of the land only in as much as they dont contravene the teachings of Christ, if they do, then our allegiance is not to Man made Laws but to the law of God. Acts 5:29
Acts 5:29
Then Peter, and the other apostles, answered and said

Peter began, as the mouth of the apostles, being the eldest man, and very bold and zealous; and the rest followed, or joined, with him in what he said:
we ought to obey God rather than men;
this is said in answer to the charge of disobedience to the orders and commands of the council: men, civil magistrates, and ecclesiastical rulers, are to be obeyed in things which are not repugnant to the will of God; but in things that are, God is to be obeyed, and not men. God had commanded by an angel, that the apostles should go to the temple, and there preach the doctrines of the Gospel; the sanhedrim had forbid them to speak and teach in the name of Christ; who were now to be obeyed? God, and not men: from whence it

We are commanded by Christ to follow his teachings and teach others the same, to do any differently would be to build our lives on Sand rather than on the solid rock of Faith. Matthew 7 24:27.

But if Christ is Sovereign then surely so are his teachings, if Christ is your Lord then you cant claim to follow him if you disregard his teachings.

I'm not saying it can be "built by rote", we do what we do because we Love God, but that relationship of love has to built upon the solid foundations of Christs teachings.

I believe that Christs teachings should permeate into every aspect of my life, there are no divisions, no lines of demarcation, whether it be the spiritual, the moral, the political or the economic, for if we give our lives to Christ then it should be our whole lives, not just parts of it. And yes, legally, i am a "citizen of the UK, but i was referring to citizenship more in terms of allegiance. i feel no allegiance to the UK, or to any country, and definitely not the World itself, my allegiance is to Christ alone, and i try to follow his teachings wherever the need arises in Gods World.

No i couldnt run as a Democrat Brother Nick, i couldnt tie myself to any particular political Party for to do so would mean having to accept policies that i couldnt support, 20 years ago i was quite heavily involved in politics and found that the compromises i had to make in achieving a common aim were destroying the very Christian principles i hold so dear. And this is the problem with owing allegiance to any earthly group, it means compromise, and that compromise eats away at the soul until your faith becomes meaningless. This is why Christ said " You cant serve 2 masters,... you cannot serve God and Mammon", and what could be more Mammon then politics whose principle goals are power and Money.
But i'd be interested to know why you call Democrats "Ungodly", are you implying that Republicans are in some way "Godly"?. For myself, i regard us ALL as "ungodly", for which of us can stand before God on our own merits, and the world we have created is fundamentally Evil, ruled by greed, self interest and an indifference to the suffering we cause.
Just 2 examples that come to mind, after cutting billions of $'s in overseas aid last year which could cost 14 million lives over the coming years, i saw that the "War" Secretary is asking Congress for another $200 billion to pursue the war in Iran, and that in his first year in office Donald Trump had personally made $1.4 billion in selling his own merchandise, from watches at $500, to his own Broad band services, to personally signed Guitars at $11000 each and signed copies of the Bible at $1000 each. Are these the actions of a "Godly" administration.
It seems to me that power corrupts, and the more power , the greater the corruption, so no, i'd never get involved in politics, i support and reject individual policies where they agree or conflict with Christs teachings, but to give my allegiance to any political party would be to align myself with that power and corruption, and i have enough sins on my soul without adding more.

With the love of Christ Jesus Brother Nick

Steve
May Jesus fill us with his love and wisdom

I think you'll find that the Donald Trump from before is not the same person that he is now.

The way he was before was much in the world, a lot of his friends were Democrats if you recall even the Clintons. But he's changed, and he's accepted Jesus as his Lord. And this is been proven pretty well from his many speeches that he's been giving especially this last year where he's constantly praising God. Or he's constantly praising Jesus. Where he's constantly reaching out to those of faith.

I know that Donald Trump's heart has changed, so what you show of him of where he came from to where he is today is now two different worlds.

We must be careful when it comes to judging others because we never know where they're really at with the Lord. It's not really our job to judge another person in that manner our job is to reach out to them in the love of Jesus.
 
May Jesus fill us with his love and wisdom

I think you'll find that the Donald Trump from before is not the same person that he is now.

The way he was before was much in the world, a lot of his friends were Democrats if you recall even the Clintons. But he's changed, and he's accepted Jesus as his Lord. And this is been proven pretty well from his many speeches that he's been giving especially this last year where he's constantly praising God. Or he's constantly praising Jesus. Where he's constantly reaching out to those of faith.
We have a different view of Donald Trump Bill, i still see him as very "much in the world", someone driven by greed and a lust for power, but then thats the defining motivation of probably all leaders and those that aspire to high office, for thats what politics is all about, obtaining power and using it to further your own self interest and agenda. As to his Christian faith, i wouldnt comment on that except to say that words are cheap whereas actions tend to portray the true person, and looking at Donald Trumps actions, its hard for me to reconcile them with the teachings of Christ
I know that Donald Trump's heart has changed, so what you show of him of where he came from to where he is today is now two different worlds.
The cutting of Overseas Aid that will cost millions of lives of the poorest men, women and children in the World and the enriching of himself by $1.4 billion is in his second term to date, not in his first term.
We must be careful when it comes to judging others because we never know where they're really at with the Lord. It's not really our job to judge another person in that manner our job is to reach out to them in the love of Jesus.
i agree completely, and ive tried to desist from passing judgement on Donald Trump himself and only judging his actions, for i consider judgement of a person to be Gods prerogative alone. For he alone knows all the facts, all the things that make us do what we do, our life history, our personality, the opportunities that are presented to us and the tragedies we have to endure. But one thing i would add, contrary to what others may think ,i dont hate Donald Trump, i hate his policies and his actions, but i dont hate the man himself, because for one, i try not to hate anyone as hatred eats away at the soul like a cancer and Christ calls on us to Love others, even our worst enemies, , and secondly, regarding Donald Trump himself, i dont think he can help the way he is, i think hes either a Psychopath, sociopath, Narcissist or whatever terms used to describe someone who lacks any form of empathy for others and who sees the world solely in terms of what he can get out of it.

It doesnt surprise me that Jeffrey Epstein described Donald Trump as the "worst Human being he'd ever met" and "without a decent cell in his body". He also described him as "dangerous" and "Evil beyond belief", which given Donald Trumps present position doesnt bode too well for the future and i struggle with how so many Christians can regard him with favour and in some quarters even as a sort of Messianic figure sent to do the will of God..
 
I am starting to believe that Trump derangement syndrome exists tho frfr

Hope all's well guys!

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