The parable of the Sower has been on my mind for the last few days now, and it seems to me that while we have little control over the response of those that receive the seed, what the seed contains and how it is sown are within our control, it never ceases to amaze me how we all believe in the same God, in his son, our Saviour Jesus Christ and all have the same Holy Book, yet our beliefs and our lives that flow from those beliefs are so different. So its not just the fact that we sow, but the content of that seed and the manner in which its sown thats so important. Do we sow the Truth, Compassion and justice of Gods word , or do we sow Hate, Division and Lies based on our own prejudices. And do we sow in a spirit of Love, tolerance and Humility or do we sow with Anger, Arrogance and intolerance. God may cause the plant to grow, but he sends us out as his sowers and we must ensure we do the best we can to sow good seed and in the best manner possible..
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Just out of curiosity, Jesus referred to the Centurion as someone with the greatest Faith he had ever seen. And yet the Centurion was asking him to heal his servant.
Did Jesus healing his servant, And Making his servant spend more time serving this Centurion, does this mean that Jesus accepts people to be slaves to others?
This is all getting a bit confusing and tbh i've sorta lost the plot. My position is, Sin is sin, but of course there are degrees of sin, you quoted about the candy shop thief, well theres no way that can be comparable to a mass murderer, who with the stroke of a pen, that slashes Overseas aid or confirms arms sales to a genocidal regime, and condemns millions to a life of suffering, destruction and death. OK thats my first point, secondly sin is not just in action, but is also in word and thought, and in some cases those words and thoughts will condemn the sinner to as great a punishment as committing the sin itself, if they are not repented.
So without going over the same ground again and again could i offer some advice, you probably wont take it but i'll offer it anyway. I see our posts here on Talk Jesus as planting seeds, we offer our beliefs and views of Christs teachings, others either agree or disagree and that seed either grows or withers away. So obviously what we say is important, but just as important is the way we say it. If we come across as arrogant and self righteous , abusive or lacking tolerance then no matter the righteousness of our message, those in receipt of it will be less likely to accept its content. I understand anger, i get angry, very angry at the Injustice, greed and indifference i see, both in myself and in others, and thats the crux of it, we must recognise that we are also sinners who perhaps in the eyes of others engender the same anger they do in us. So by all means be passionate in your sowing, but do so in the best way you can , with tolerance and humility, and understand that not all will hear your message, perhaps few will, for Christ himself said that few there are to be saved and many that profess belief in him will be turned away, but you have tried your best to sow what you believe to be the truth in the best way you can....... and always remember, you just might be wrong, so try to have an open mind and understand this aint always about winning, but that we're ALL here to learn.
One last thing, it aint always a good idea to put yourself in Gods place come Judgement Day, could be viewed as just a little arrogant dont you think?.
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but you have tried your best to sow what you believe to be the truth in the best way you can....... and always remember, you just might be wrong, so try to have an open mind and understand this aint always about winning, but that we're ALL here to learn.
One last thing, it aint always a good idea to put yourself in Gods place come Judgement Day, could be viewed as just a little arrogant dont you think?.
I don't think you understand what an important job we have in both A. Spreading the truth and B. doing so in fear and trembling of God. Phil 2:12
I accused you of spreading lies and having no fear of God. I gave you many scriptures to make my case, it was not my opinion. Think on that. You are the one here typing essay long posts with no scripture but only feel good opinion. Christians are to judge Christians 1 Pet 4:17. We are to keep each other on the straight and narrow. There are no snowflakes in Christianity. If you think we have a responsibility to be snowflakes, you need to change religion.
Teaching that sin is sin, that we must accommodate mortal sinners and pass equal blame of evil intent on venial sinners is false teaching.
It is a line that can stumble every single weak and young Christian.
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We are in a Spiritual W A R and we need to recognise the enemy, and stay focused on Our Father God!
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This last sentence I thought explained what I was getting at:
"These verses collectively teach that obedience to civil government is expected, unless a law directly conflicts with a higher moral or spiritual duty to God."
Know Your Enemy, Focus on God
The Bible teaches that our primary spiritual battle is not against people, circumstances, or even our own weaknesses, but against spiritual forces of evil—the devil, demonic powers, and the world system opposed to God (Ephesians 6:12). To "know thy enemy" means understanding Satan’s tactics: deception, lies, fear, and temptation (2 Corinthians 11:14; 1 Peter 5:8). However, knowing the enemy is not about obsession or fear—it’s about discernment and readiness.
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"These verses collectively teach that obedience to civil government is expected, unless a law directly conflicts with a higher moral or spiritual duty to God."
Know Your Enemy, Focus on God
The Bible teaches that our primary spiritual battle is not against people, circumstances, or even our own weaknesses, but against spiritual forces of evil—the devil, demonic powers, and the world system opposed to God (Ephesians 6:12). To "know thy enemy" means understanding Satan’s tactics: deception, lies, fear, and temptation (2 Corinthians 11:14; 1 Peter 5:8). However, knowing the enemy is not about obsession or fear—it’s about discernment and readiness.
Blessings : )
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Know Your Enemy, Focus on God
The Bible teaches that our primary spiritual battle is not against people, circumstances, or even our own weaknesses, but against spiritual forces of evil—the devil, demonic powers, and the world system opposed to God (Ephesians 6:12). To "know thy enemy" means understanding Satan’s tactics: deception, lies, fear, and temptation (2 Corinthians 11:14; 1 Peter 5:8). However, knowing the enemy is not about obsession or fear—it’s about discernment and readiness.
I think you are confusing persuasion, or of giving people a choice, with forcing compliance, when you present your opposition to something, or ask others to change, that is not forcing them to accept your point of view, or do you consider that Christ ,after expounding his teaching, used force to make us comply with following him, or do you think he gave us the choiceNo problem. I understand how it goes.
Actually, you may not think that you are, but in truth you are. There are different ways of trying to illicit compliance with your thoughts/beliefs from others. One of them, is supporting protesters/organizations that are trying to get others they disagree with to change the stance of the government. I've mentioned it before, which you previously said you understood, for we do the same in supporting those who would allow for the spread of the Gospel while moving away from those who do not.
I suppose it partly comes down to your definition of "unbeliever", I have met more "Christ like" people who have no belief than i have "Christians " who express belief but seem to have little Love or Compassion in them.
We have a different view as to what constitutes "Gods Authority", yes all ultimate Authority is granted by God, but that Authority has been delegated for the time being to the Devil, as in Luke 4 vs 5-7, for how else could mans inherent sinfulness be given free reign to commit the horrendous atrocities he does and bring this world ever closer to Armageddon. No, when the people turned against Jesus , at the instigation of their leaders, some didnt, but does that in itself make them "good", no it doesnt, for we are ALL sinners, and however "good" or otherwise the supposed intention of a Government is, it will always become corrupt , for that is the nature of humanity, and Governments are just collections of people, nothing more, nothing less.Oh, no, no, no! Let me stop you there. You create your own argument to make a claim to debate on. lol However, I will play along for the moment.
I’m sure you agree that all authority is given by God, so are you suggesting that the authority He grants isn’t good, or that the outcome changes when humans put it into practice?
The USA was, like all nations, founded on violence, greed, theft and corruption, forget the words for they are cheap and easy to utter, look at the actions, as for a "Godly people", well i've yet to see an example of that, but then i suppose it all depends on what you mean by a Godly people", i'd be interested to know your definition of that Brother, would a "Godly people", land as illegal immigrants, steal through Conquest and Genocide the land inhabited by others and then put the indigenous inhabitants into "Reservations", is not the US a prime example of the very "Lawless and unGodly "behaviour you condmen in others today ? And i know nothing of the Israeli Constitution so cant comment on that, But i do know a little of their actions since the formation of the Israeli state in 1948, a state born from Bloodshed, theft and mass deportations, and whose latest actions in Gaza continue this horrific tradition. IMO hardly an example of "a moral and religious people", but that again is open to definition.
The way i see it those verses confirm Christs ultimate power over the Earth and ultimate vanquishing of the Devil and Death. This power will be fulfilled on the Day of Judgement, but until then, the Devil holds sway in this world, whether to a lesser or greater extent, well looking around, i see little evidence of his power being diminished.
Before i answer this point, you never answered my question about Anne Frank, the ones that hid Anne Frank and tried to keep her safe from persecution disobeyed the law, the one that informed on her whereabouts, and thus led to her being murdered, was following the law, what would you have done?.
Just because something is legal does not make it right, or righteous, and campaigning against unjust laws does not make you unrighteous, in fact the opposite, we have a duty as Christians to hunger and thirst after Righteousness, to love others as we love ourselves and to treat others as we'd want to be treated, and if we are persecuted for doing that then we indeed blessed. Evil comes in many forms, and an adherence to and complicity with laws that conflict with Gods commandments are an example of that Evil.
I would say you have to break this faith you have in Authority and those that wield it. Many of the most Evil regimes in history have been regimes that based their Evil on Laws. Laws that enabled persecution, abuse and ultimately murder. And these actions were all carried out by men "duly sworn to uphold the laws of the land". Brother Nick, i do not doubt your sincerity or your compassion, but your trust is misplaced and is being abused. To focus on the US for the moment, you have seen the violence of these duly sworn officers, you have seen citizens shot in the head, you have seen women pulled screaming from cars, you have seen people incarcerated in Concentration Camps where the conditions and abuse are appalling, you have heard the rhetoric of theyre all lawless criminals, in fact you yourself have called them "Godless" without knowing anything about their circumstances. If you cant see the correlations between whats happening now in the US and Nazi Germany in the early years then you need to check your history books,....... and Where is Christ in all of this Violence and hatred, do you see him in the face of the stranger, either legal or illegal, or does Christ only call on us to show his love and compassion to the legal stranger?,........ and as you've said to me, complicity is guilt, if you support whats going on now in the US, if you support the actions of ICE and Border Control, then you are complicit in their crimes, and when Christ says to you "I was a stranger and you didnt take me in", what are you going to say in return, "But lord, you were an illegal", think long and hard on this because its not me you will have to answer to, but Christ himself.
Thats true, and if i came across as condescending , i apologise, but what i would have hoped, is that having gone through that experience yourself, you'd be even more compassionate to those enduring it now, and if that means breaking the law, of suffering for righteousness sake, then that is the price that Christ asks of us when he says, "Deny yourself, take up your Cross and follow me", a life of self denial and sacrifice in the name of Love.
With the Love of Christ Jesus Brother Nick
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I found this and thought it would be enlightening to understand some of our discussions, in trying to separate a believer's responsibility, and a government. For they are two different things and not one and the same and would seem to conflict, until you understand that they are different roles accorded to each by God. Oddly, it took a politician, who is the Speaker of the House in the US (now), who wrote this and is also a believer in Christ Jesus as his savior. I know it's a long read, but it is worth the read. I pray that God will continue to watch, keep, and guide this man and his family.
How he is able to maintain his composure, at least publicly, is amazing, and to deal/interact with faithless, lying folks on a daily basis is beyond me, but he does. It's probably why they age so quickly. Anyway, this is something he wrote, and his name is Mike Johnson. I bolded what I believe is the most important part to consider, aside from the scripture verses referenced, so you can pay special attention to it and think about the implications in what we’ve been discussing.
Note: As you will find he wrote this when Biden was President, and not Trump. He has access to such information that we do not see as a whole. Having worked in the military communications with classified information/SCIF's, I know that there is so much more out there to the specifics of what is actually transpiring when it comes to national security that judging the totality of it all to come to a certain conclusion will more than likely have us in the wrong when we do not have all the information available to us.
Speaker of the House Johnson – Christian
Despite the insistence of the progressive Left, people of all religious faiths should support a strong national border—and Christians CERTAINLY should. Critics are fond of citing particular Bible verses out of context to claim that Christians and Jews are being “unfaithful” if we oppose their radical open borders agenda. It has become increasingly important for us to set this record straight.
Perhaps the verse most often cited by the Left is Leviticus 19:34. Whether they know it or not, that passage happens to be from the instructions Moses delivered to the Israelites when they were on their journey through the wilderness in Sinai, before they reached their own Promised Land. The verse reads as follows: “But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.” (KJV)
CONTEXT IS CRITICAL It is, of course, a central premise of Judeo-Christian teaching that strangers should be treated with kindness and hospitality. We are each called to love God first and to love our neighbors as ourselves (Deut. 6:5, Lev. 19:18, Matt. 22:36-40, KJV). However, that “Greatest Commandment” was never directed to the government, but to INDIVIDUAL believers.
The Bible teaches that God ordained and created four distinct spheres of authority— (1) the individual, (2) the family, (3) the church, and (4) civil government—and each of these spheres is given different responsibilities.
For example, while each INDIVIDUAL is accountable for his or her own behavior (e.g., Exodus 20), the FAMILY is commanded to “bring up children in the training and instruction of the Lord” (Eph. 6:4) and “provide for their relatives” (1 Tim. 5:8).
The CHURCH is commanded to make disciples and equip people for the work of the ministry (Eph. 4:11-13), and the CIVIL GOVERNMENT is established to faithfully uphold and enforce the law so that order can be maintained in this fallen world, crime can be kept at bay, and people can live peacefully (Rom. 13, 1 Tim. 2:1-2).
To be properly understood, anytime a command is given in Scripture, one must first determine to WHOM that command is directed. For example, when Jesus taught us as His followers to practice mercy and forgiveness and to “turn the other cheek” (Matt. 5:38-40, KJV), He was not giving that command to the government. To the contrary, when government officials ignore crime, they are directly VIOLATING their responsibilities before God. Indeed, the civil authorities are specifically charged to do justice, to ”bear the sword,” and to serve as “the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil” (Rom. 13:1-4, KJV). As the Bible warns: “When a crime is not punished quickly, people feel it is safe to do wrong.” (Ecc. 8:11, TLB)
Read in its context, the passage in Leviticus 19 makes perfect sense. Showing love and kindness to a stranger was not a command given to civil government, but instead to individual believers. That same principle is emphasized in the New Testament. When Jesus spoke of embracing, caring, and providing for “the least of these” (E.g., Matt. 25:31-40), His instruction was given to His disciples, and not the local authorities. The Bible is clear that Christians should practice personal charity—but also insist upon the enforcement of laws (like our federal immigration statutes) so that “every person is subject to the governing authorities” and “those who resist incur judgment” (Rom. 13:1-2).
BORDERS ARE BIBLICAL Many on the Left today, and even some at the highest levels of our government, consider themselves “globalists” who envision a utopian world order where there are no borders between countries at all. Their fantasy will simply never be realized, and their basic premise (that man is inherently good and perfectible on his own) is the opposite of the Biblical truth that man is fallen and in need of redemption that is available only through salvation in Jesus Christ.
The Bible speaks favorably and consistently about distinct nations of people (see, e.g., Gen. 18:18, Num. 32:17, Psalm 67:2, Matt. 28:19, Rev. 5:9, 7:9, NIV), and about borders and walls that are built to guard and secure people, property, and jurisdictions (see, e.g., Deut. 19:14, 27:17, 32:8, Acts 17:26, NIV). When Nehemiah heroically led the Jewish remnant to rebuild the walls of Jerusalem after their enemies had destroyed those walls, he was doing the noble work of God (Neh. 1-6, NIV).
Maintaining a secure border is not an offensive measure, but a wise, defensive one to prevent chaos and safeguard innocent life. As Rev. Franklin Graham once summarized, “Why do you lock your doors at night? Not because you hate the people on the outside, but because you love the people on the inside so much.”
THE CURRENT CATASTROPHE Right now, because of 64 deliberate policy choices and executive orders of the Biden Administration, America is facing an unprecedented humanitarian and national security catastrophe at our open southern border. More than 10 million illegal aliens from around the world have entered the U.S. since Joe Biden became President, the majority of whom are single, military-aged men. Among them are countless violent criminals and more than 300 suspects on the terrorist watchlist.
Cartels are making billions trafficking young women and unaccompanied minors, and many are suffering unspeakable abuses along the way. The Fentanyl that China and the cartels have pushed into the U.S. has become the leading cause of death for Americans aged 18-45. As the peril increases and communities across our country become more and more overwhelmed with the crushing financial burdens of managing the influx of illegals, American citizens (and even a few Democratic governors and mayors) are finally demanding a return to sanity.
America has always been a haven for people legitimately seeking asylum from danger in their home country, but we must insist they pursue a course of legal immigration and not simply ignore our laws. Of course, the President of the United States must be the first to uphold our laws. Every citizen should insist that President Biden immediately use the eight broad statutory authorities he has right now to secure our borders and stop incentivizing illegal immigration. Among his most important executive authorities is 8 U.S.C. 1182(f), which empowers a President to “suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate” if he “finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States.”
AN AUTHENTIC CHRISTIAN RESPONSE Due in large part to our Judeo-Christian foundations and the deep religious heritage we enjoy in this country, America is the most benevolent nation in the world—by far. However, we cannot maintain that strength and generosity if we surrender our own safety and sovereignty. Preserving law and order and securing our borders should not be partisan issues, but matters of common sense. These are certainly responsibilities fully authorized by the Bible—and expected of us by God. Any time liberals attempt to bolster their “open borders” agenda by citing Scripture out of context, they should be kindly corrected with the facts (2 Tim. 2:24-25).
Christians are called to love unconditionally, serve selflessly, and defend the defenseless. We are also called to stand for, and work to ensure, just government. Justice and mercy are not mutually exclusive pursuits. To the contrary, God specifically requires His people to practice both (Micah 6:8). Despite the unfounded claims of the Left, supporting a strong national border is a very Christian thing to do. The Bible tells us so.
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Many thanks for your reply to my previous post Brother Nick, before i fully read and think about what youve said let me just reply to these other points you raised.
I try not to appoint man made labels, Socialism, Capitalism, Liberal, Conservative, to my actions and thoughts, i am first and foremost a Christian and try to approach each situation from the teachings of Christ. For me its simple, if someone is in need and you can help then you do so, you try to put yourself in that persons place and ask yourself "If i was them what would i want", its usually pretty simple to do, the hard part is enacting what you know you should do, for we are all selfish to a lesser or greater extent and what we know we should do and what we actually do are often far apart....... the US is helping, the same as most rich countries help, but that help is so pitiful, being just a fraction of 1% of their GDP, when 20,000 children die every day from Malnutrition and Disease and over 1 billion people live on less than a few $'s a day how can anyone that calls themselves a Christian defend such an evil situation, would we feel the same if it was our children or someone we love dying slowly in front of us while theres such wealth in the world, its a question of priorities, whats more important to us, and more importantly, whats more important to God , the wealth and comfort of the rich or the sufferings and death of the poor?...... and there never will be a perfect system, not in this world anyway, for we are all sinners living in an evil world, the best any of us can do is to try to make a difference, to try to give more, to change the systems of Injustice and oppression that create all of this suffering, to show Gods Justice and compassion in the good works we do and live in the hope that the day will soon come when all of this pain, suffering and destruction will be swept away and a New world based on Gods Love will be created.
Yes i agree, the enemy is Satan and Sin, the sin that expresses itself in Greed, selfishness, envy ,hate and lust, its an enemy that we must fight both in ourselves and in the world, and the way we fight both is not through anger and self righteousness, but seeking Gods Righteousness, his will, his will for Justice, his will for Mercy and his will for Humility.
But the "system" isnt helping brother Nick, despite the massive wealth in this world, we still have close to 1 billion men, women and children living on a few $'s a day, still have 800 million people without access to clean water, still have thousands of children dying needlessly every day from hunger and disease, the "system" is designed by the rich, its run by the rich and in the main it benefits the rich, it is an evil system through and through, and on top of all the injustice and suffering the system we have is destroying Gods creation, through our insatiable greed we are destroying life on this planet, and you talk of "chaos/harm", look around you brother Nick and see the reality of what youre defending, does it really look like a world God approves of, Christ calls on us to give our all for those in need, not defend the very "system" thats oppressing them.
Yes this is an"order", but its an order thats opposed to all that Christ taught, an order thats based on greed and self interest, and if youre waiting for a better one to be put in place, well thats not going to happen, not in this world anyway, we have to deal with reality, to understand ,that given all of our frailties, Christ expects us to do all we can to alleviate the suffering and pain of this evil world we've created.
With the Love of Christ Jesus Brother Nick
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No i dont believe that anyone can call themselves a Christian and own slaves, you cannot love your neighbour as yourself and treat others as you'd want to be treated and then own another human being, created in Gods likeness, as you would own a piece of property, depriving them of their God given rights and dignity. Tbh i dont know the answer to your question, was the "Faith" that Christ described the faith to heal, or was the faith he described being the belief in Christ as the Son of God. If the latter, did the Centurion then go back to his healed slave and recognise the incompatability of owning slaves with Christs teaching and free his slave, was the seed planted by Christs healing of his servant and then fulfilled through his actions of freeing his former slave?. Theres so much i dont know, the important thing is to have the humility to accept that and listen to what others say because they may have the answer youre looking for. So what do you think?
Hmmmm, that has always been my opinion, as is the belief that we will all be judged for our thoughts, words and deeds, what we do and what we dont do, and that some words and thoughts are as guilty of condemnation as the act themselves,......... and from the point of view of judgement, i find it hard to believe that anyone with hate for another in their hearts, and those that support them, be it racism, homophobia or xenophobia will not be condemned by Christ, but thats not my call, thats Gods and i leave that to him,.... but if you want to claim that as my "having come to my senses" thats fine with me.
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And i dont think you understand the role of "humility" in our Christian journey, the possibility that you might just be wrong, for your posts reek of certainty and condemnation of anyone that doesnt agree with you, and as for "Christians judging other Christians", well i guess we all have different views of what constitutes being a Christian, and your view of me as a "snowflake" ,well i guess i'd rather be a snowflake than a seemingly hard hearted, intolerant individual enfused with their own self righteousness. i well remember you saying in the discussion on charlie Kirk, "The shooter of Charlie Kirk should be executed", i asked you if the same fate should be meted out to the killer of the 2 democrat congress people killed a few months before, to which you replied, "No i would have to look at the case first,....... as democrats are evil", anyone with such a twisted view of Justice and Compassion is IMO as far from Christs teachings of Love and compassion as they can be, on all fronts......... but thats just my opinion, and being a "snowflake" will be dismissed as irrelevant, i often think that if Christ came back to the Earth today teaching his message of Love, Compassion, Justice and mercy for those suffering and in need then he would be dismissed by many as a snowflake, a" woke, lefty, bleeding heart Liberal".
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Both you and God should both agree that thoughts are mostly 0.005 / 10 and acting on 'murderous' thoughts for example would be a 9-10 / 10.
1 Cor 2:15 The spiritual man judges all things.
1 Cor 6:3 Don't you know that we will judge angels? How much more, then, matters pertaining to this life!".
Now the reason I continuously harp and harp on degrees of sin is because of these three scriptures 1 Cor 11:31, Rom 7:15 and Phil 2:12.
1 Cor 11:31 For if we would judge ourselves, we would not be judged.
Rom 7:15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do.
Phil 2:12 continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling.
We tick all three by getting on our knees every evening and examining all our sins committed for the day and forgiving all who sinned against us so that we may be forgiven. Examining ourselves for sin goes like this....what sin did I commit? What was the evil intent behind it? How much did I hurt someone?
Thoughts are one sin we will all battle with on a daily basis. You cannot beat yourself or others up merely because of them. It is actioning thoughts that results in others being hurt.
Degrees of sin, discerning between venial and mortal, is one of the most important things we need to consider on a daily basis.
Any person blurring the lines between venial and mortal sin is stumbling both themselves and others. This is what you are guilty of. Your posts read like this: '''I cannot judge the difference between mortal and venial, only God can''. I accuse you of intellectual dishonesty and false teaching. You can solve this dilemma you have simply by asking the person sitting near you to A. think of thrown their coffee cup at you and then B. actually throw it.
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I suspect you are a homosexual. Sexual sin is an interesting type of sin. We don't judge ourselves too harshly for it as we are able to do it without seeing anyone hurt. This is sound thinking as all sin 'is sin' because it hurts someone. In the case of sexual sin, you are hurting God and yourself. And at such a high degree that God ordained a graphic and violent death for many types of it in the OT. Homosexuality, beastiality, adultery Lev 20:10-16.
1 Cor 6:18-20 Flee sexual immorality. Every other sin a person commits is outside the body, but whoever sins sexually sins against their own body. Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies.
Prov 6:32 But a man who commits adultery has no sense; whoever does so destroys himself.
Eph 4:30 Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.
Sexual sin grieves the Holy Spirit. You will not make it to heaven. On a daily basis you are pulling your middle finger to your Creator God.
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Humility has its place as does contending for the truth.
What you are actually asking of me is to just leave you all alone as you drown in your sin.
I use to battle with sexual sin. I use to tell God that I like it so much and that if doing it gets me into hell, well then He made me for hell and He is evil. Who should care about serving an evil God. I would rather be a martyr for people like me.
Then God worked on me. Showed me why He hates the sin. How it is not His will for my life. He helped me to see that sin for what it is. A gross perversion that shows nothing but complete disdain for your Creator.
