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WAKE UP people.
We are living in the most absurd, upside-down, spiritually hijacked era in human history.

The modern State of Rothschild’s False Israel™ — the darling of Dispensationalists, the so-called “prophetic fulfillment,” the supposed home of “God’s chosen people” — is an absolute fraud.

A theological fraud.
A political fraud.
A genealogical fraud.

And every time the modern Church bows to it, it spits in the face of Christ.

Let’s be crystal clear:

The overwhelming majority of those claiming to be “Jews” today — the Ashkenazi — are not from the tribe of Judah. Not from Levi. Not from Benjamin.
They are not Hebrews.
They are not biblical Israelites.
They are white, Eastern European converts — the descendants of the Khazar Empire, a medieval Turkic kingdom that adopted Judaism around the 8th–10th centuries.
That’s it. No Moses. No David. No temple lineage.
They’re as genetically related to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob as your local HVAC repairman.

BUT EVEN IF THEY WERE…

Even if they had direct DNA from the biblical priesthood — from Aaron, Moses’ brother and the first high priest of Israel —
THEY ARE STILL CUT OFF FROM GOD WITHOUT CHRIST, according to the Gospel.

No one who denies the Son has the Father.” — 1 John 2:23
Not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel.” — Romans 9:6
If you belong to Christ, you are Abraham’s seed.” — Galatians 3:29

It doesn’t matter if your bloodline traces to the temple courts.
It doesn’t matter if you speak fluent Hebrew, wear a yarmulke, and quote Torah from memory.
If you reject the Son, you are outside the covenant. Full stop.

There is no path back to the Father that bypasses the Cross.
There is no chosenness apart from the Chosen One.

The Gospel obliterates all of it.
Ethnic pride.
National myth.
Religious cosplay.
Gone.

This isn’t just deception — it’s triple deception.

They’re not biblically Jewish — they reject Jesus Christ, the King of the Jews.

They’re not genetically Jewish — they’re Eastern Europeans with no bloodline to Abraham.

They’re not geographically Jewish — they are squatters on land seized in 1948, propped up by war, banking empires, and propaganda.
Their 8th-century ancestors couldn’t have found biblical Israel on a map if the entire map was Israel.

They are fake Jews — three times over:
Spiritually fake
Genetically fake
Prophetically fake

They are not the people of God — they are the people of Gog.

Triple fake.

Fake lineage.
Fake inheritance.
Fake chosenness.

And the tragic part?

Millions of Christians — especially in the West — are still defending this charade in the name of “blessing Israel,” as if God’s promises were about land deeds and chromosomes, instead of faith in the blood of His Son.

“If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed.” — Galatians 3:29
“If righteousness could be gained through the Law, Christ died for nothing.” — Galatians 2:21

This is not “replacement theology.”
It’s fulfilled theology — the actual Gospel.

Jesus didn’t come to be a sidekick to a modern political state.
He didn’t bleed to reinforce a rabbinic caste system.

He IS the temple.
He IS the covenant.
He IS Israel.

And if you’re not in Him — you’re out.
 
You completely misrepresented what I said. I never called God a liar — I quoted Jesus Christ Himself:
“Immediately after the tribulation... He will gather His elect.” — Matthew 24:29–31

Not before. Not secretly. After. That’s not up for debate — that’s straight from the red letters.

1. I gave you a link to a thread discussing the rapture. Many scriptures provided for it there.
2. In this thread I provided a logical rebuttal for a non rapture belief.

You have not taken a stab at either of the above two. You have only repeated your opinion.

I remind you, I have provided very sane and logical reasons for a non rapture belief incriminating God as evil, unjust and making Him out to be a liar. Properly debunking this should be high on your priority list.

Twisting someone’s words because the plain text doesn’t support your theory isn’t theology —
it’s emotional manipulation in Scofield pajamas.

You accuse me of “cherry-picking,” but you’re the one skipping over the timeline Jesus laid out plainly.
There is one return, one gathering, and one Gospel — not some divided, theatrical circus where ethnic Jews get a second chance and the Church gets a secret escape hatch.

More opinion. If you want to discuss, bring scriptures.

You say your doctrine comes from “a logical working brain.”
I say it comes from Scofield’s Zionist-funded notebook, not the Bible.

Yes, the Bible is divided into Old and New — that’s called covenant, not dispensations.
The New Covenant didn’t run alongside the old — it fulfilled it.

“He has made the two one... creating in Himself one new man.” — Ephesians 2:15

Your theology splits what Jesus came to unite.

You missed the point I made. But good to see you can grasp two different covenants. Now you just need to apply that same thinking to dispensations.

You over react to trivial matters. Believing in dispensations is a Rom 14:5 type disagreement. Completely immaterial disagreement. Unlike my accusation of your non rapture belief incriminating God.

Take the millennium as an example. The seventh dispensation. Do you agree or disagree that there is a vast difference in the way humans will interact with God during this period?
 
1. I gave you a link to a thread discussing the rapture. Many scriptures provided for it there.
2. In this thread I provided a logical rebuttal for a non rapture belief.

You have not taken a stab at either of the above two. You have only repeated your opinion.

I remind you, I have provided very sane and logical reasons for a non rapture belief incriminating God as evil, unjust and making Him out to be a liar. Properly debunking this should be high on your priority list.



More opinion. If you want to discuss, bring scriptures.



You missed the point I made. But good to see you can grasp two different covenants. Now you just need to apply that same thinking to dispensations.

You over react to trivial matters. Believing in dispensations is a Rom 14:5 type disagreement. Completely immaterial disagreement. Unlike my accusation of your non rapture belief incriminating God.

Take the millennium as an example. The seventh dispensation. Do you agree or disagree that there is a vast difference in the way humans will interact with God during this period?

You say I haven’t provided Scripture — but I quoted Jesus Christ verbatim:

Immediately after the tribulation... He will gather His elect.” — Matthew 24:29–31

That’s not “my opinion.” That’s red-letter eschatology from the Son of God Himself.

You accuse me of skipping your “logical rebuttal,” but I’m not debating logic games —
I’m standing on the Word of God.

Here are a few more Scriptures that destroy the pre-trib rapture fantasy:

1. “At the last trumpet… we shall be changed.” — 1 Corinthians 15:52
Not before the tribulation. Not seven years earlier. At the last trumpet.
Meaning: no trumpets after it. So much for your two-stage return theory.

2. “The Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven… taking vengeance on them that know not God
when He comes to be glorified in His saints.” — 2 Thessalonians 1:7–10.
Not two separate events. One return. One glory. One judgment.

3. “The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.” — Revelation 20:5–6
If the first resurrection happens after the tribulation and before the millennium,
how is there room for your secret, pre-trib rapture seven years earlier?

4. “We who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord shall not precede those who have fallen asleep.” — 1 Thessalonians 4:15
Again — the coming, not a partial coming, not a secret prequel.

As for your accusation that my belief “incriminates God as evil and a liar” —
that’s blasphemous projection.

I’m quoting Christ. You’re quoting a system born in 1830 from a 16-year-old mystic and a Zionist-funded Bible annotation.

You say this is a Romans 14:5 “disagreement”?
Paul was talking about days of the week, not eschatologies that rewrite the return of Christ and split the Body of Christ into VIP rapture tiers and second-class tribulation leftovers.

You want to talk about the millennium? Sure.

“Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection… they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years.” — Revelation 20:6

But that first resurrection happens after the tribulation
Which means no one is reigning during the millennium except those who endured through it.

So again:
There is one Second Coming,
One resurrection,
One gathering,
One Church.

Not two comings.
Not two peoples.
Not two gospels.

That’s what Jesus taught.
That’s what Paul preached.
That’s what I believe.

You want to debate fantasy timelines?
Go find Scofield’s grave and argue with him.

I’ll stick with Christ.
 
You say I haven’t provided Scripture — but I quoted Jesus Christ verbatim:

Immediately after the tribulation... He will gather His elect.” — Matthew 24:29–31

That’s not “my opinion.” That’s red-letter eschatology from the Son of God Himself.

Your opinion is that there is no rapture. You arrive at that belief because you cherry pick scripture. You quote Matt 24:29-31 but ignore Matt 24:1-28.

You accuse me of skipping your “logical rebuttal,” but I’m not debating logic games —
I’m standing on the Word of God.

You are most certainly not standing on the word of God.

Scripture says that God is not evil, unjust or a liar. You are pushing a belief that suggests He is.

Here are a few more Scriptures that destroy the pre-trib rapture fantasy:

1. “At the last trumpet… we shall be changed.” — 1 Corinthians 15:52
Not before the tribulation. Not seven years earlier. At the last trumpet.
Meaning: no trumpets after it. So much for your two-stage return theory.

2. “The Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven… taking vengeance on them that know not God
when He comes to be glorified in His saints.” — 2 Thessalonians 1:7–10.
Not two separate events. One return. One glory. One judgment.

3. “The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.” — Revelation 20:5–6
If the first resurrection happens after the tribulation and before the millennium,
how is there room for your secret, pre-trib rapture seven years earlier?

4. “We who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord shall not precede those who have fallen asleep.” — 1 Thessalonians 4:15
Again — the coming, not a partial coming, not a secret prequel.

When I get a chance I will repost and discuss these scriptures here - Rapture event - Poll.

As for your accusation that my belief “incriminates God as evil and a liar” —
that’s blasphemous projection.

Great to hear you say that. Now please explain why you say that.

Take my line and start with ''this line is false, for reasons A, B and C''.

You say this is a Romans 14:5 “disagreement”?
Paul was talking about days of the week, not eschatologies that rewrite the return of Christ and split the Body of Christ into VIP rapture tiers and second-class tribulation leftovers.

Paul is referencing any immaterial disagreement using days of the week as an example.

You want to talk about the millennium? Sure.

“Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection… they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years.” — Revelation 20:6

But that first resurrection happens after the tribulation
Which means no one is reigning during the millennium except those who endured through it.

You missed the reason for me mentioning it. Please reread and try again.

So again:
There is one Second Coming,
One resurrection,
One gathering,
One Church.

Not two comings.
Not two peoples.
Not two gospels.

That’s what Jesus taught.
That’s what Paul preached.
That’s what I believe.

You want to debate fantasy timelines?
Go find Scofield’s grave and argue with him.

Separate topics, not sure why you group them.

I’ll stick with Christ.

But you are not. You are sticking with your own belief and do not care if it incriminates Him.

Thereby failing terribly at your 'one' job.

2 Cor 5:20 We are therefore Christ’s ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ’s behalf: Be reconciled to God.
 
Catholicism I would suggest they teach the resurrection on the last day under the Sun that some call rapture has occurred. Not understanding the spiritual unseen things of God, they must look to the Pagan foundation of the worldly religions ."Out of sight out of mind"

Christ our God calls them fools (no invisible ruling God in their thoughts) The universal religion "reincarnation" gender confusion or change in creature design .

Suffering Limbo for the younger sinners and Purgatory for the more mature, the doctrine of wondering, wondering, over and over.

Save the Queen mother named after our blessed sister in the Lord Mary teaching she .. alone received the fullness of grace whole cost of salvation the rest of the planet a unknown, unknowable amount continues to suffer and wonder.

2 Timothy 2:18 Who concerning the truth (sola scriptura) have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

The Faith of Christ's labor of love. His repenting comforting love calling back some whose faith was overthrown

There can be differences as oral traditions amongst believers called heresies as long as they do not do despite the fullness of Christ the husband's grace

See the OP here - PROBLEMS WITH THE CATHOLIC CHURCH for the items I agree with you on and here - So tired of all the ignorant bashing of Catholics for those I don't. ;)
 
Your opinion is that there is no rapture. You arrive at that belief because you cherry pick scripture. You quote Matt 24:29-31 but ignore Matt 24:1-28.



You are most certainly not standing on the word of God.

Scripture says that God is not evil, unjust or a liar. You are pushing a belief that suggests He is.



When I get a chance I will repost and discuss these scriptures here - Rapture event - Poll.



Great to hear you say that. Now please explain why you say that.

Take my line and start with ''this line is false, for reasons A, B and C''.



Paul is referencing any immaterial disagreement using days of the week as an example.



You missed the reason for me mentioning it. Please reread and try again.



Separate topics, not sure why you group them.



But you are not. You are sticking with your own belief and do not care if it incriminates Him.

Thereby failing terribly at your 'one' job.

2 Cor 5:20 We are therefore Christ’s ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ’s behalf: Be reconciled to God.


You said:
"Your opinion is that there is no rapture… You cherry pick Scripture."

False.
I’m not denying a rapture — I’m denying your timing.
I believe what the Bible says: there is a rapture — but it happens after the tribulation, at the last trumpet, and on the Day of the Lordnot in some invisible sneak-away fantasy from Scofield’s imagination.
Cherry-picking? I quoted Jesus Christ Himself, in context:

“Immediately after the tribulation… He will gather His elect.” — Matthew 24:29–31
What did I “cherry-pick”? Be specific. Jesus literally lays out the order of events in that chapter. No secrets. No gaps. No Scofield footnotes.

You said:
“You are most certainly not standing on the Word of God.”
“You’re pushing a belief that suggests He is evil, unjust, or a liar.”

That’s projection, not exegesis.
You’re the one defending a doctrine that says Jesus’ own words don’t apply to the Church, that His warnings were “for the Jews” only, and that His second coming is actually two separate comings.
Let’s be real: your doctrine divides the body of Christ into “rapture elite” and “tribulation peasants.” That’s your injustice — not mine.

You said:

“When I get a chance I’ll discuss these Scriptures…”

Yeah, I bet.
Because you can’t reconcile them with your doctrine.

“At the last trumpet…”
(1 Corinthians 15:52) — not the first, not a secret. The last.
You can’t get “seven years earlier” from last unless you rewrite the Bible.

2 Thessalonians 1:7–10 — shows Jesus’ return as one event: vengeance + glory.
There’s no two-stage divide. Paul never taught it. Scofield did.

Revelation 20:5–6 — “This is the first resurrection.”
If the dead in Christ rise after the tribulation… what on earth rose in your fake, invisible pre-trib rapture?

1 Thessalonians 4:15–17 — “At the coming of the Lord…”
Not a coming. The coming. There is no partial coming in Scripture. That’s fantasy theology.

You said:
“This line is false, for reasons A, B, and C…”

Sure. Let’s try that.
“Immediately after the tribulation…” is false?
Then Jesus is a liar. Want to stand on that in front of the throne?

“At the last trumpet…” is false?
Then Paul is confused. Show me the trumpet that comes after the last.

“This is the first resurrection…” is false?
Then the book of Revelation has no meaning, and “first” doesn’t mean first.

You want reasons A, B, and C?
A — Scripture doesn’t teach two comings.
B — There’s only one resurrection of the righteous.
C — The Church is never promised escape — it’s promised endurance. (Matthew 24:13)

You said:
“Paul is referencing any immaterial disagreement…”

Wrong.
Romans 14:5 is about non-doctrinal disputes — meat, holidays, conscience issues.
Paul isn’t saying we can have contradictory end-times timelines that gut the words of Christ.
If he were, he wouldn’t have spent two full letters (1–2 Thessalonians) correcting false end-times views.

You said:
“Separate topics, not sure why you group them.”

Because Scripture groups them.
The coming of Christ, the resurrection, the gathering, and the millennial reign are all part of one unified timeline — and the Word does not support slicing them up like Scofield’s theological pizza.

You said:
“But you are not sticking with Christ.”

Wrong again.
You’re following Scofield. I’m following the red letters.
You believe Christ comes back halfway, quietly, to evacuate a VIP club before it gets messy — but that’s not what Jesus taught.

He said:
“If they say, ‘He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it… for as lightning flashes from the east to the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be.” — Matthew 24:26–27

The rapture is not hidden.
The tribulation is not skippable.
And the return of Christ is not for the privileged few.

You want to be an ambassador for Christ?
Then stop defending a doctrine that severs His return in half, denies His own words, and turns the Church into an escapist delusion club.

As for me?
I’ll stand with the Word.
Not Scofield. Not Darby. Not Margaret MacDonald.
The Word.

“Sanctify them by the truth — Your Word is truth.” — John 17:17
 
See the OP here - PROBLEMS WITH THE CATHOLIC CHURCH for the items I agree with you on and here - So tired of all the ignorant bashing of Catholics for those I don't. ;)
Bashing or loving by offering the gospel ?(sola scriptura)

Because the kingdom of God does not come after observing the temporal dying things seen there must be heresies as personal commentaries to what the individual understands when they seek the approval of God according the loving commandment study. 2 Tim 2:15 Called private interpretations every man has a oral tradition or an opinion

1 Corinthians 11:19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.

Some celebrate Christmas some not e.t.c. Those oral traditons are not damnable or judgable as long as if they do not do despite to the fulness of Grace the complete cost of salvation

As a oral tradition of Catholicism they teach that a Quen mother of heaven alone received the fulness of grace and the rest of the world an unknown unknowable amount of grace .Therefore after they die they must continue to suffer and wonder .

False prophets false apostles as teachers. No salvation just limbo and purgatory

2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
 
You said:
"Your opinion is that there is no rapture… You cherry pick Scripture."

False.
I’m not denying a rapture — I’m denying your timing.
I believe what the Bible says: there is a rapture — but it happens after the tribulation, at the last trumpet, and on the Day of the Lordnot in some invisible sneak-away fantasy from Scofield’s imagination.
Cherry-picking? I quoted Jesus Christ Himself, in context:

The rapture in context has always meant a rescue plan. IE pre or mid trib rescue plan. Post is not really a rescue plan. But, yes well done, you can read a dictionary.

You are dancing. I gave evidence of your cherry picking and a link to a thread where the rapture was discussed. I don't feel like starting a new one here when you have shown no effort into disproving it.

“Immediately after the tribulation… He will gather His elect.” — Matthew 24:29–31
What did I “cherry-pick”? Be specific. Jesus literally lays out the order of events in that chapter. No secrets. No gaps. No Scofield footnotes.

You said:
“You are most certainly not standing on the Word of God.”
“You’re pushing a belief that suggests He is evil, unjust, or a liar.”

That’s projection, not exegesis.
You’re the one defending a doctrine that says Jesus’ own words don’t apply to the Church, that His warnings were “for the Jews” only, and that His second coming is actually two separate comings.
Let’s be real: your doctrine divides the body of Christ into “rapture elite” and “tribulation peasants.” That’s your injustice — not mine.

I feel the point I have made is flying over your head. Please reread and try again.

You said:
“When I get a chance I’ll discuss these Scriptures…”

Yeah, I bet.
Because you can’t reconcile them with your doctrine.

I gave you a link to a thread that already exists, a thread where we have all already discussed scripture.

You said:
“This line is false, for reasons A, B, and C…”

Sure. Let’s try that.
“Immediately after the tribulation…” is false?
Then Jesus is a liar. Want to stand on that in front of the throne?
“At the last trumpet…” is false?
Then Paul is confused. Show me the trumpet that comes after the last.

“This is the first resurrection…” is false?
Then the book of Revelation has no meaning, and “first” doesn’t mean first.

You want reasons A, B, and C?
A — Scripture doesn’t teach two comings.
B — There’s only one resurrection of the righteous.
C — The Church is never promised escape — it’s promised endurance. (Matthew 24:13)

Are you being serious?

If I say that you are FAT because you eat too much food. If you disagree, you need to say ''false, I am not fat because I each too much food, I am fat because I never exercise''. What you have done here is as bad as saying...No I am not fat, as the moon orbits earth when the earth orbits the sun and the stars are aligned in the third month of the fifth year when gremlins come out to play".

Please try again. A, B and C are not rebuttals to the very simple, sane and logical arguments raised.

You said:
“Paul is referencing any immaterial disagreement…”

Wrong.
Romans 14:5 is about non-doctrinal disputes — meat, holidays, conscience issues.
Paul isn’t saying we can have contradictory end-times timelines that gut the words of Christ.
If he were, he wouldn’t have spent two full letters (1–2 Thessalonians) correcting false end-times views.

I cannot believe you would type this. Paul wrote that so that people would not argue on silly matters. Are you really disputing that? He chose days to make his case......one would think that be obvious.....

Disagreeing on the rapture timing is not a Rom 14:5 type disagreement. I like how you threw that in there.....

You said:
“Separate topics, not sure why you group them.”

Because Scripture groups them.
The coming of Christ, the resurrection, the gathering, and the millennial reign are all part of one unified timeline — and the Word does not support slicing them up like Scofield’s theological pizza.

I have no words. Your mind is clearly on another planet.

You said:
“But you are not sticking with Christ.”

Wrong again.
You’re following Scofield. I’m following the red letters.
You believe Christ comes back halfway, quietly, to evacuate a VIP club before it gets messy — but that’s not what Jesus taught.

Oh ok, because they in red, got it.

He said:
“If they say, ‘He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it… for as lightning flashes from the east to the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be.” — Matthew 24:26–27

The rapture is not hidden.
The tribulation is not skippable.
And the return of Christ is not for the privileged few.

You want to be an ambassador for Christ?
Then stop defending a doctrine that severs His return in half, denies His own words, and turns the Church into an escapist delusion club.

You seem oblivious to the fact that our ambassadorial duties are to the lost who do not know scripture.

They have however got working brains and those working brains will conclude exactly what I have on your belief.

So, instead of playing a game with me on what scripture is valid and what is not, explain to me how YOUR belief does not incriminate God. How my three accusations of it are incorrect.

As for me?
I’ll stand with the Word.

It is crystal clear that you don't. You are unwilling to defend accusations of your belief. You seem to think you can dance away from them and people will forget.

I will repost them for you, help you focus.


Not believing in a pre or mid trib rapture event incriminates God as evil, unjust and makes Him out to be a liar.

Evil = God abandons His people in the most terrifying period on earth in all of human history Matt 24:21.

Unjust = Scripture is clear that His wrath will fall on earth, thereby..... torturing and killing many indiscriminately, even the righteous.

Liar = You can confess with your mouth and believe in your heart that Jesus is Lord Rom 10:9 all day and night, for many, it will not get them into heaven according to Rev 14:11.

Not Scofield. Not Darby. Not Margaret MacDonald.
The Word.

“Sanctify them by the truth — Your Word is truth.” — John 17:17

The devil quoted scripture in Matt 4. All you have proven is that like him, you can also quote scripture.

A Christian has '''one'' job and if you cannot answer my accusations, you fail at it.
 
The rapture in context has always meant a rescue plan. IE pre or mid trib rescue plan. Post is not really a rescue plan. But, yes well done, you can read a dictionary.

You are dancing. I gave evidence of your cherry picking and a link to a thread where the rapture was discussed. I don't feel like starting a new one here when you have shown no effort into disproving it.



I feel the point I have made is flying over your head. Please reread and try again.



I gave you a link to a thread that already exists, a thread where we have all already discussed scripture.



Are you being serious?

If I say that you are FAT because you eat too much food. If you disagree, you need to say ''false, I am not fat because I each too much food, I am fat because I never exercise''. What you have done here is as bad as saying...No I am not fat, as the moon orbits earth when the earth orbits the sun and the stars are aligned in the third month of the fifth year when gremlins come out to play".

Please try again. A, B and C are not rebuttals to the very simple, sane and logical arguments raised.



I cannot believe you would type this. Paul wrote that so that people would not argue on silly matters. Are you really disputing that? He chose days to make his case......one would think that be obvious.....

Disagreeing on the rapture timing is not a Rom 14:5 type disagreement. I like how you threw that in there.....



I have no words. Your mind is clearly on another planet.



Oh ok, because they in red, got it.



You seem oblivious to the fact that our ambassadorial duties are to the lost who do not know scripture.

They have however got working brains and those working brains will conclude exactly what I have on your belief.

So, instead of playing a game with me on what scripture is valid and what is not, explain to me how YOUR belief does not incriminate God. How my three accusations of it are incorrect.



It is crystal clear that you don't. You are unwilling to defend accusations of your belief. You seem to think you can dance away from them and people will forget.

I will repost them for you, help you focus.


Not believing in a pre or mid trib rapture event incriminates God as evil, unjust and makes Him out to be a liar.

Evil = God abandons His people in the most terrifying period on earth in all of human history Matt 24:21.

Unjust = Scripture is clear that His wrath will fall on earth, thereby..... torturing and killing many indiscriminately, even the righteous.

Liar = You can confess with your mouth and believe in your heart that Jesus is Lord Rom 10:9 all day and night, for many, it will not get them into heaven according to Rev 14:11.



The devil quoted scripture in Matt 4. All you have proven is that like him, you can also quote scripture.

A Christian has '''one'' job and if you cannot answer my accusations, you fail at it.


You said - “Not believing in a pre or mid trib rapture incriminates God as evil, unjust and makes Him out to be a liar.”

False on every level. And shame on you for saying it.

Let’s break it down:
“Evil = God abandons His people…”
No — God doesn’t abandon anyone.
He equips His people. He seals them. He walks with them through fire.

“Though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for Thou art with me…” — Psalm 23:4
“I will never leave you nor forsake you.” — Hebrews 13:5
“They overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and the word of their testimony…” — Revelation 12:11

Your doctrine implies God’s people are too weak to endure tribulation —
but God says His strength is made perfect in our weakness (2 Corinthians 12:9).
You want escape — Jesus promised endurance.


> “Unjust = God’s wrath tortures the righteous…”

There it is — the Scofield shell game.
You don’t know how to separate tribulation (which comes from the world and the Antichrist)
from God’s wrath (which comes after Christ returns).

God’s wrath falls after the rapture — not during tribulation. That’s the point.

“For the great day of His wrath is come…” — Revelation 6:17
“Immediately after the tribulation… He will gather His elect.” — Matthew 24:29–31
“He will repay with affliction those who afflict you… when He comes.” — 2 Thessalonians 1:6–10

Jesus said we will have tribulation — but He never said His people would suffer His wrath. That’s your confusion, not Scripture’s.

> “Liar = Rev 14:11 contradicts Romans 10:9…”

You just said Romans 10:9 is voided by Revelation 14:11 —
but Rev 14:11 is about those who take the mark of the beast
not believers.

No one accidentally “loses salvation” in Revelation.
They reject Christ, take the mark, and worship the Beast.

There’s no contradiction.
Unless your theology is a disjointed mess of timelines, which — shocker — Scofieldism is.

You keep calling me a cherry-picker while refusing to address the clearest, in-context, chronological words of Christ:
Immediately after the tribulation… He will gather His elect.” — Matthew 24:29–31
At the last trumpet…” — 1 Corinthians 15:52
This is the first resurrection.” — Revelation 20:5–6
At the coming of the Lord…” — 1 Thessalonians 4:15

Not before. Not secret. Not split.
One coming. One resurrection. One gathering. All after tribulation.
The rest is Scofieldian sci-fi.

You said:
“Explain how your belief doesn’t make God evil.”

My belief exalts God as just, faithful, and true.
Your belief makes Him:

contradict His own Son,

violate His own Word,

and play favorites with a theological VIP lounge.

I believe what Jesus said, in the order He said it.

You believe:
“No no — those are Jewish red letters. We follow Paul. Until we don’t.”
Sorry, I follow both. Because they preached the same Gospel.

You said:
“Your mind is clearly on another planet.”

Correction: my mind is in Scripture.
Your mind is on Darby’s charts and Scofield’s footnotes, trying to perform theological gymnastics to escape the very tribulation Jesus said we’d go through.

“The devil quoted Scripture in Matthew 4…”
Yes, and he twisted it out of context, just like Dispensationalists do when they carve up the Second Coming into two phases, erase Matthew 24 from Church teaching, and pretend Revelation 20 doesn’t say what it says.

You say:
“Christians have one job.”
Correct. And that job is to preach the truth — not Scofield’s escapist fantasy.

Here’s the bottom line:
You want a secret, split return of Christ that’s never once described in Scripture.
You want the Church to vanish quietly, untested, unrefined, unfaithful.

But Jesus said:
He who endures to the end shall be saved.” — Matthew 24:13
Take up your cross and follow Me.” — Luke 9:23
Blessed are those who are persecuted…” — Matthew 5:10

Your doctrine makes God evil for not evacuating His people.
Mine makes Him glorious for empowering them to overcome.

So no — I’m not dancing.
I’m just not playing by the Scofield rulebook.
I’ll stick with the Word.

You said you’re ready to stand before the throne with your view?
Then you better hope Jesus is fine with you calling His own words irrelevant.

As for me?
I’ll take the red letters.
I’ll take the Cross.
And I’ll take the King returning in glory — once, not twice — just as He promised.
 
I would love to hear your view on revelation and the 7 year great tribulation, many speak about.
 
I would love to hear your view on revelation and the 7 year great tribulation, many speak about.


The 7-year “Great Tribulation” as popularized by Dispensationalism is a theological invention — not a biblical timeline. The term “great tribulation” comes from Matthew 24:21, spoken by Jesus about a time of unprecedented suffering, but nowhere does Scripture divide it into two halves or claim it’s seven years long for the entire Church age. That idea comes from misapplying Daniel 9:27 — a passage about Messiah's covenant — and twisting it into a future Antichrist treaty. Revelation never says the tribulation is seven years long, nor does it split Christ’s return into two events. What the Bible actually teaches is this: there will be tribulation (John 16:33), persecution (Matthew 24:9), and a single visible return of Christ after that tribulation (Matthew 24:29–31), when He gathers His elect, resurrects the dead, and pours out wrath — not before. So I reject Scofield’s fantasy timeline and stand with the clear sequence Jesus, Paul, and John all affirmed: suffering first, glory later — not escape.
 
a single visible return of Christ after that tribulation (Matthew 24:29–31), when He gathers His elect,
As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.​
- Matthew 13:40-42 KJV

Are there two ends of the world?

Thanks,
Rhema
 
He equips His people.

The Holy Spirit leaves so that the devil can have his way. That is not equipping. No.

He seals them.

He has to seal those in the tribulation as they are not Christians able to stand on scorpions and not be stung.

He walks with them through fire.

Fire He created. A comparable example would be God sending Lot back into Sodom.

Then, if its torment the devil creates, a comparable example would be you abandoning your child at school when a known pedophile who is let out of prison enters to teach them.

Your doctrine implies God’s people are too weak to endure tribulation

God is always with people who come to Him. No argument there. The problem is that you are not grasping 1. What exactly a Christian is, 2. What the Holy Spirit is here to do and 3. The building blocks and reasons for a tribulation period.

> “Unjust = God’s wrath tortures the righteous…”

There it is — the Scofield shell game.
You don’t know how to separate tribulation (which comes from the world and the Antichrist)
from God’s wrath (which comes after Christ returns).

God's wrath comes after Christ's return? Well that would make you a mid tribber. Glad to see you agree with it being evil if God's wrath falls on the righteous.

God’s wrath falls after the rapture — not during tribulation. That’s the point.

The tribulation is a seven year period with God's wrath falling at the half way mark.

> “Liar = Rev 14:11 contradicts Romans 10:9…”

You just said Romans 10:9 is voided by Revelation 14:11 —
but Rev 14:11 is about those who take the mark of the beast
not believers.

No one accidentally “loses salvation” in Revelation.
They reject Christ, take the mark, and worship the Beast.

There’s no contradiction.
Unless your theology is a disjointed mess of timelines, which — shocker — Scofieldism is.

For the fourth time. Please try grasp that if you HAVE the mark of the beast NO AMOUNT of confessing Jesus is Lord with your mouth and believing it in your heart will get you saved per Rom 10:9.

Really not a hard point to grasp. Please stop dancing and wasting my time. Address the fact directly, don't reply like I have not typed it.
 
The 7-year “Great Tribulation” as popularized by Dispensationalism is a theological invention — not a biblical timeline. The term “great tribulation” comes from Matthew 24:21, spoken by Jesus about a time of unprecedented suffering, but nowhere does Scripture divide it into two halves or claim it’s seven years long for the entire Church age. That idea comes from misapplying Daniel 9:27 — a passage about Messiah's covenant — and twisting it into a future Antichrist treaty. Revelation never says the tribulation is seven years long, nor does it split Christ’s return into two events. What the Bible actually teaches is this: there will be tribulation (John 16:33), persecution (Matthew 24:9), and a single visible return of Christ after that tribulation (Matthew 24:29–31), when He gathers His elect, resurrects the dead, and pours out wrath — not before. So I reject Scofield’s fantasy timeline and stand with the clear sequence Jesus, Paul, and John all affirmed: suffering first, glory later — not escape.

Dan 9:27 is a very easy read. You are defying common sense and very simple math. If you add up all the days given to the Jews, including a seven year tribulation, it agrees to the seventy weeks / 490 years promised to them. Simple math! Literal fact!! 1 + 1 = 2.

Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Rev 11:2-3 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth (365 x 3.5 = 1,277).

Rev 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

Rev 13:5 There was given to him a mouth speaking arrogant words and blasphemies, and authority to act for forty-two months was given to him.
 
"What the Catholics Get Right

Salvation Plan: One covenant, fulfilled in Christ — not two tracks for Jew and Gentile

Rapture: Rejected; Christ returns once, publicly, at the end of the age — not in secret phases. This was the belief of the early Church Fathers.

Israel: Fulfilled in the Church. There is no separate, ongoing plan for ethnic Israel apart from the Gospel.
If someone calls themselves a Jew but rejects Jesus as the Messiah, they are outside the covenant of salvation — just like anyone else who refuses Him. Catholic teaching, like Scripture, is clear: no one is saved apart from Christ.

Covenant History: Progressive revelation fulfilled in Jesus — not cut into dispensations

Prophecy: Interpreted through typology, Christological fulfillment, and the Church Age


Where the Catholic Church Goes Off the Rails

Vatican Power Structure: Corrupted hierarchy; functions more like a political empire than a spiritual body

Idolatry and Ritualism: Veneration of saints and Mary can cross into worship territory

Works-Based Legalism: Overemphasis on sacraments and tradition as necessary for salvation

Mystery Religion Symbols: Pagan architecture, serpent imagery, and globalist interfaith compromises

Scripture Access: Historically limited lay access to the Bible; elevated papal authority above scripture


What Dispensationalist Evangelicals Get Right

Authority of Scripture: The Bible is the final and highest authority, not popes or church councils

Born Again Doctrine: Emphasis on personal salvation through faith in Jesus Christ

Evangelism: Urgent focus on spreading the Gospel to all nations

Rejection of Ritualism: Values relationship with Christ over empty tradition

Role of the Holy Spirit: Acknowledges the active presence and power of the Holy Spirit in believers


What Dispensationalist Evangelicals Get Horribly Wrong (Thanks to Scofield Heresy)

Two Plans of Salvation: Claims Jews have a separate covenant path — undermines the sufficiency of Christ

Pre-Trib Rapture: Teaches an unbiblical two-phase return of Jesus based on cherry-picked verses

Political Zionism as “God’s Will”: Confuses modern secular Israel with the true, biblical people of God — even though the nation as a whole rejects Jesus Christ. It doesn’t even dawn on most brainwashed Dispensationalists that over 98% of modern “Israelis” are Ashkenazi — descendants of Eastern Europeans and Russians who have no historical or genetic connection to Abraham whatsoever. They're about as related to Abraham as Hulk Hogan, SpongeBob and Genghis Khan.

Church as Parenthesis: Treats the Church Age as an interruption instead of the fulfillment of prophecy

Artificial Bible Division: Uses Scofield’s man-made footnotes to override clear New Testament teaching


The Bottom Line:

The Catholic Church preserved covenant theology and rejected the blasphemous, Scofield circus — but compromised it with institutional corruption, idolatry, and works-based tradition.

The Evangelical world rediscovered Scripture and the born-again life — but got seduced by Scofield’s dual-covenant, Zionist distortion that fractures the Gospel.

Both systems need to be reformed by the authority of Christ and the clarity of His Word.

To the lost Dispensationalists, I'll leave you with this...

The true Israel is the Body of Christ — one people, one covenant, one King. If you're a so-called "Christian" and you don't know that; you're beyond misled.

You’re not just lost — you’re way out in the wilderness of Nod, stumbling through darkness and delusion.

There’s a veil over your eyes and a bewitching on your soul
and honestly, it might be the most biblical level of deception the modern Church has ever witnessed.
Jesus and the Apostles are looking down from heaven — eyebrows raised, faces in their hands — stunned at how far off the path you’ve wandered.

“But their minds were blinded. For until this day the same veil remains unlifted in the reading of the Old Covenant, because the veil is taken away in Christ.” — 2 Corinthians 3:14

You’re clinging to the shadows of a covenant that was fulfilled 2,000 years ago —
propping up a U.N.-sanctioned, Rothschild-created political state,
as if salvation lives in dirt and barbed wire,
totally ignorant of the fact that the true Israel is the Body of Christ.
Paul saw it coming. He warned us.

The veil still lies over your heart because you refuse to turn fully to Christ.
You’re not reading prophecy — you’re reading it wrong.
And until you stop exalting the letter over the Lord,
you’ll stay exactly where you are:
veiled, bewitched, and wandering east of Eden."
More interesting points on the "Chosen Race": Documentary Feature 'The Roots of the Jewish Mafia' The Michelle Moore Show (May 14, 2025)
 
Dan 9:27 is a very easy read. You are defying common sense and very simple math. If you add up all the days given to the Jews, including a seven year tribulation, it agrees to the seventy weeks / 490 years promised to them. Simple math! Literal fact!! 1 + 1 = 2.

Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Rev 11:2-3 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth (365 x 3.5 = 1,277).

Rev 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

Rev 13:5 There was given to him a mouth speaking arrogant words and blasphemies, and authority to act for forty-two months was given to him.

The only thing to remember with the 490 year / seventy week promise to Jews is that in BC Jews had a 360 day year. When you factor that in you arrive at 483 years from 457 BC to 33 AD.
 
Here’s the problem:

Most of you Dispensationalists don’t even know who or what "Israel" is.

I’d testify to that in a court of law.
And if there were a lie detector wired to an electric chair, I’d volunteer to sit in it — just to declare the truth that you have no clue what Israel actually is… and I’d walk away without a single shock.

You’ve been so thoroughly brainwashed by dispensationalist fantasy that nearly every time the word “Israel” appears in the New Testament, you have no idea who Jesus or the apostles are talking about.

You’ve built your entire eschatology on a lie — propping up a Christ-rejecting nation, clinging to a 2,000-year-old corpse of a covenant God already fulfilled, while trampling the blood of the New.

The true Israel of God has never been a flag or a border — it’s always been the remnant who believe.

Galatians 3:28–29
“There is neither Jew nor Greek... for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.”


^ This obliterates the myth that ethnic Jews are automatically heirs to God’s promises.
→ The true heirs are those in Christ — period. No dual covenant. No ethnic loophole.

Romans 9:6–8
“They are not all Israel who are descended from Israel...
That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God;
but the children of the promise are counted as the seed.”


^ This drives the dagger straight into the heart of ethnic presumption.
Being Jewish by blood means nothing without faith — that’s Paul’s entire point.

And let’s not kid ourselves and talk about the 70 ton elephant in the room while we're here.
You know, the one draped in a blue-and-white flag, stomping around the Middle East claiming to be “God’s chosen” while rejecting His Son.

The one propped up not by God, but by U.N. tanks, Rothschild cash, and a Scofield Bible in every evangelical pew.
Yeah… that elephant.

Benjamin Netanyahu
— born Ben Mileikowsky — is a white Eastern European.
A bonafide Gentile convertnot a "descendant of Abraham".
And neither are 95%+ of today’s False Israel™ population — mostly Gentile converts from Khazaria, Russia, and Eastern Europe, not "descendants of Abraham".

They are not the seed of Moses, Aaron, or David.
They are the sons & daughters of conversion, not covenant.
Their ancestors didn’t adopt Talmudic Judaism until 740 A.D., under King Bulan of Khazaria — a forced conversion, political move, not a divine calling.

The elites know this.
The Vatican knows it.
The Muslim world definitely knows it.


And yet, a nation of Scofield-fed evangelicals continues to bow before this golden calf, chanting “God’s chosen!” while they trample the Cross and ignore the Body of Christ — the true Israel of God.

The veil here isn’t just thick — it’s suffocating.

And here’s the non-negotiable truth of the Gospel:
Even if Netanyahu could produce a perfect DNA scroll tracing his bloodline to Abraham himself…
It wouldn’t matter.

Without Christ — he’s lost.

“I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.” — John 14:6

That includes kings, rabbis, priests, prophets — and prime ministers.
And let’s not forget the army of Eastern Europeans and Russians who somehow “discovered” they’re direct descendants of King David — right around the time Zionism needed a bloodline. <eye roll goes here>
Spoiler: they’re about as "Biblical Israelite" and ancient Hebrew as a potato.

If Moses and Abraham stepped out of a time machine into downtown Tel Aviv tomorrow, they’d stare in disbelief and say:
“Did we take a wrong turn into Warsaw? This isn’t the tribe of Judah — these are strangers in the land. Foreigners dressed in borrowed names.”

Moses squints at the skyline, turns to Abraham and says:
“I don’t see Israel — I see impostors in our inheritance.”

Abraham, looking at the crowd:
“These aren’t our descendants. These are European tourists playing dress-up with our covenant.”


If the satanic elite hadn’t hijacked prophecy and violently annexed Palestine in 1948 — installing False Israel™ with U.N. tanks and Rothschild money — you wouldn’t even be preaching this theological abomination.
You’d still be confessing what every faithful Christian knew for 1,800 years:
That the Body of Christ is Israel.
And always was.

“For we are the circumcision, who worship God in the Spirit, rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.” — Philippians 3:3

“You are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation...” — 1 Peter 2:9


Imagine the saints in 1954 — faithful Christians on their deathbeds after 80 years of serving Christ — suddenly hearing:

“The real Israel isn’t the Church after all. It’s a new secular state in the Middle East!”

You can picture their response:

What in God’s name are these people talking about?!"
"Who are these demons behind the pulpit on my television?"
"The Church is Israel. The Body of Christ is Israel."
"This isn’t prophecy — this is blasphemy in broad daylight.
God help us all!


And they were right.
And you — and every dispensationalist clinging to Scofield’s fraud — are dead wrong.

Scofield didn’t teach revelation.
He taught replacement theology in reverse — replacing the Church with a Christless state and calling it prophecy.

“Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist — denying the Father and the Son.” — 1 John 2:22

You’ve bought it wholesale.
Not realizing the system you defend is the beast’s counterfeit kingdom — not Christ’s.

If the words of Jesus don’t define Israel for you — neither does God.
“This is My beloved Son... listen to Him.” — Matthew 17:5
“He is not a Jew who is one outwardly... but inwardly.” — Romans 2:28–29
“If you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed.” — Galatians 3:29


You’re not defending truth.
You’re defending an idol in the desert.

And when the true King returns, He’s not coming to sit in Tel Aviv.
He’s coming to judge the nations — and He’s starting with those who lied in His name.

You still want a third temple because you don’t know who Israel is.
You think God’s covenant is with a nation built by U.N. fiat and global bankers — not with the Body of Christ.
You’ve rejected the true Temple — Jesus — and now you’re trying to rebuild the very house He left desolate.

You’re not waiting on prophecy.
You’re resurrecting rebellion.

The only reason dispensationalists crave stone and blood sacrifices is because they’ve never understood the Cross.
They don’t realize that we — the Body of Christ — are the temple.

“Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?” — 1 Corinthians 3:16
“Built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone.” — Ephesians 2:20


You’re not lifting up God.
You’re defending a man-made idol — propped up by unbelief and nationalism.

You now bow to a political state filled with people whose ancestors didn’t follow God — but converted under Khazarian rule and built their religion not on the Torah… but on the Satanic, Anti-Christ, Talmud.

And being as tricked and deceived as humanly possible, you call these European identity thieves "Biblical, ethnic Jews" — while they mock the Body of Christ, the very people Jesus died to redeem. They must laugh themselves to sleep — watching evangelicals fund their empire, defend their rebellion, and quote Scofield like it’s scripture.

You’ve been duped.
And worse — you’re proud of it.

When the King returns,
He’s not coming to dedicate your idol.
He’s coming to tear it down — again.

Jesus never told His followers to rebuild the temple.
He told them they were the temple.

So if you're rebuilding what He destroyed,
You're not serving God.
You're rebuilding rebellion.

Repent..
 
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Beautifully well written... Had to share.


"Yes, Dispensationalists are that misled, that brainwashed — and frankly, that spiritually terrifying.

You can literally quote Jesus Christ — the King of the Jews
You can quote Paul — a Hebrew of Hebrews, or Peter — the apostle to the circumcision
…and they’ll still scream, “Anti-Semite! Racist! Nazi!!

Because in their twisted theology, defending the Gospel is hate speech — and rejecting Christ is somehow "holy" if you do it from Jerusalem.

They’ve replaced the Word of God with Zionist propaganda.
They’ve turned the Cross into a political footnote.
They’ve traded the Gospel for a U.N. border map and a bloodline.

To them, if you say:
“There is no salvation outside of Christ…”

They hear:
“You must be Hitler.”

If you declare:
“The Church is the Israel of God…”

They scream:
“That’s replacement theology — you're dangerous!”

It’s insanity.
Spiritual delusion in real time.
And the worst part? They’re not just confused — they’re evangelizing that confusion to millions.

This is why the remnant has to rise up — not with political allegiance, but with unshakable allegiance to the Gospel.
Because when quoting Jesus gets you called a heretic…
That’s not just when you know the modern Church has been infiltrated —
That’s when you realize it was hijacked.

The breach happened in 1909, when the Scofield Bible smuggled Zionism, dual-covenant heresy, and end-times delusion right into the pews — dressed in footnotes, sold as study aids, and worshipped like scripture ever since.

That’s when pastors stopped preaching Christ crucified and started preaching God’s alleged real estate deals.
That’s when the Church stopped being the Body of Christ and became a cheerleader for unbelieving Israel.
That’s when salvation became race-based, the Gospel became divided, and the sheep became sedated with Scofield’s lies.

We’re not dealing with a “misunderstanding.”
We’re dealing with a full-blown false religion operating under the name of Christianity —
an Anti-Christ counterfeit where quoting Jesus makes you a heretic and denying Him makes you “chosen.”

This isn’t just infiltration.
It’s occupation.

And it’s time for the remnant to rise —
not to reclaim denominations, pulpits, or stained glass tombs —
but to wage war on this theological abomination,
to tear down every Scofield-erected altar,
and to call the captives out of Babylon before the fire falls."
 
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