Jer 30:7 In all history there has never been such a time of terror. It will be a time of trouble for my people Israel. Yet in the end they will be saved! (NLT)The entire purpose of the Great Tribulation is to bring Israel to Christ.
Jer 30:7 In all history there has never been such a time of terror. It will be a time of trouble for my people Israel. Yet in the end they will be saved! (NLT)The entire purpose of the Great Tribulation is to bring Israel to Christ.
Jer 30:7 In all history there has never been such a time of terror. It will be a time of trouble for my people Israel. Yet in the end they will be saved! (NLT)
Jeremiah was prophesying of the immediate threat of exile, and the promise of return. It's fairly clear if you read chapters 30 and 31 togetherI concede that one. That's a good find. I've heard about Jacob's troubles, but never knew where the verse was until now.
But even so, I notice it doesn't say "only" my people.
We know Jesus came for the lost sheep of Israel, but there were some gentiles who also benefited from his ministry. I think during the great tribulation a lot of other people who are not of Israel will also find salvation. I am thinking a lot of those five foolish virgins who were only save by name and not in heart will realize they needed more than what they thought they had.I concede that one. That's a good find. I've heard about Jacob's troubles, but never knew where the verse was until now.
But even so, I notice it doesn't say "only" my people.
How does the Lord keep the saved from the wrath of God and of Christ?
If we look at all the examples in the Bible when God poured his rath out, his believers were protected not removed from earth, we have Lot, we all of Israel at Passover, we have Noah. I got a feeling you already know this though. But I agree believers will not face the wrath of GOd, don't think anyone disagree with that. It's just how most pre tribbers present that as believers have to be gone from earth not face Gods wrath that is not a good argument.
If we look at all the examples in the Bible when God poured his rath out, his believers were protected not removed from earth, we have Lot, we all of Israel at Passover, we have Noah. I got a feeling you already know this though. But I agree believers will not face the wrath of GOd, don't think anyone disagree with that. It's just how most pre tribbers present that as believers have to be gone from earth not face Gods wrath that is not a good argument.
I am a God assigned watcher on the walls, and many of God's people dont believe what I say despite me not holding my peace. I wont give up, but it saddens me that people of God are so mistrustful of those assigned to do a job given by God, because they dont have enough trust in the Holy Spirit to know the truth when they hear it.And if ye go to war in your land against the enemy that oppresseth you, then ye shall blow an alarm with the trumpets; and ye shall be remembered before the LORD your God, and ye shall be saved from your enemies.
Numbers 10:9
I have set watchmen upon thy walls, O Jerusalem; they shall never hold their peace day nor night: ye that are Jehovah’s remembrancers, take ye no rest,
Isaiah 62:6
Matthew 24 is Jesus' response to the Disciples question about the destruction of the temple
Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings. “Do you see all these things?” he asked. “Truly I tell you, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.”
As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”
The temple was destroyed in 70ad in the middle of the seven year Jewish-Roman war from 66 to 73ad. Jesus prophecy was fulfilled within a generation, just as he said.
The abomination that causes desolation is probably the pagan Roman leader Titus, son of Emperor Vespasian who led the Roman army in the sacking of Jerusalem and destruction of the temple. That's in keeping with Daniel's prophecy of another pagan ruler Antiochus Epiphanes desecrating the temple two centuries before Christ.It is about both the destruction of the temple and of a period where it is rebuilt.
In Matt 24:15 the abomination of desolation stands in the holy place. At this point do not go back to your house. The tribulation of that day will be the worst time in human history.
What about 70AD supported the above? Was it the worse time in human history? Was there an antichrist that fulfilled all scripture pertaining to him?
Matt 24:15 So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’ spoken of through the prophet Daniel.
Matt 24:21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now and never to be equaled again.
The abomination that causes desolation is probably the pagan Roman leader Titus, son of Emperor Vespasian who led the Roman army in the sacking of Jerusalem and destruction of the temple.
You would think if Satan was already imprisoned in the pit that Christians would know it. We won't be able to blame him for our sins and temptations during this time.
The abomination that causes desolation is probably the pagan Roman leader Titus, son of Emperor Vespasian who led the Roman army in the sacking of Jerusalem and destruction of the temple. That's in keeping with Daniel's prophecy of another pagan ruler Antiochus Epiphanes desecrating the temple two centuries before Christ.
As for the great distress unequalled from the beginning to the end of the world, Jesus (and the Old Testament) very often used hyperbole to make a dramatic point. Think of camels through eyes of needles, mountains launching themselves into the sea. Or, perhaps more similar, Isaiah's description of the destruction of Edom (6th century BC)
Edom’s streams will be turned into pitch,
her dust into burning sulfur;
her land will become blazing pitch!
It will not be quenched night or day;
its smoke will rise forever.
From generation to generation it will lie desolate;
no one will ever pass through it again.
Isaiah 34
Smoke will rise forever? We know where the kingdom of Edom was, and there's no smoke still rising 2,600 years later. Isaiah was using dramatic literary devices in his prophecy.
Yes, and Matthew 24 is a very difficult passage to interpret. I still think that the best way to read it is to take everything to be a heightened description of the 70ad destruction of Jerusalem, and I believe it resolves more problems in the text than any other reading. But I take your pointI agree that scripture does dramatize at times. Another example is ''worm will not die'' speaking to worms eating bodies of the dead from Armageddon. There is a point in time when all the bodies will be eaten. It is just such a long time that it seems ''forever''. Very interesting topic for discussion.
However, I do not think that is the case with Matt 24:21. There are three statements that support the event being the worst of all time. 1. Great distress, 2. Unequaled since time began, 3. And never to be equaled again. Jesus seemed intent on getting the point across that a time of extremely great distress is coming. By stating what He did, it leaves no room for interpretation as a metaphor or hyperbole. I also think that if Jesus said only ''unequaled distress'' one can expect the absolute worst. He clearly worded His line to avoid all confusion and blurred reading of it.
According to Wikipedia 70AD was certainly a gruesome event. Josephus recorded 1.1 million Jews and other dead. We have to note however that that is 18% of 6 million Jews in WW2 and 1.5% of the 75 million Jews and other killed in WW2. That would mean that if you are correct, Jesus was 0% correct in Matt 24:21.
So maybe they got saved during the tribulation?
Tribulation Saints.
Correct.