Waggles said:

What nonsense is this?? !!
"A perfect man" where is that in scripture?
Both the Old Testament and the New Testament testify that Jesus is God and from God and one with the Father.
NO man can die to take upon himself the sins of the world.
No man's death can make null and void the previous Covenant where YAHWEH was the husband and married to Israel.
Romans 7:1-6 explains why Jesus had to die in order to divorce himself from the old Covenant of the Law of Moses.

Romans 7:2 For the woman under a husband is bound by law to the living husband; but if the husband should die, she is discharged from the law of the husband.

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Its you who are mistaken, a mortal man died. Mortals cannot kill God.

Waggles said:

You need to read your OT much better and learn what scripture actually teaches
Genesis 19:24 Yahweh rained down from heaven upon Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire from Yahweh.
25 And he overthrew those cities and the whole plain, and the inhabitants of the cities and the vegetation of the ground.

Note the mention here of two YAHWEH, one in heaven who sends judgment upon Sodom and Gomorrah at the bidding of the YAHWEH on earth. This gives significant evidence for more than one person in the Godhead.
Jehovah Witnesses counter with the argument that by making Jesus Jehovah, I am asserting the untruth that Jesus is the Father.
I suggest they listen or read more carefully: I am not asserting Jesus is the Father, but that at least two Persons in the Godhead are each called Jehovah in Scripture, and Jesus is clearly one of them. - notes from Jerome Smith

Jesus is often referred to as the angel of Yahweh, the word of God, the name of Yahweh
Judges 6:11 The angel of Yahweh came and sat under the oak that was at Ophrah that belonged to Jehoash the Abiezrite; and Gideon his son was threshing wheat in the winepress to hide it from the Midianites.
6:14 And Yahweh turned to him and said, "Go in this your strength, and you will deliver Israel from the palm of Midian. Did I not send you?"
6:16 And Yahweh said to him, "But I will be with you, and you will defeat Midian as if they are one man."
6:20 The angel of God said to him, "Take the meat and the unleavened cakes and put them on this rock; pour the broth over it." And he did so.
Jdg 6:21 Then the angel of Yahweh reached out the tip of the staff that was in his hand, and he touched the meat and the unleavened cakes; and fire went up from the rock and consumed the meat and the unleavened cakes.
And the angel of Yahweh went from his sight.
Go back and reread the story of the burning bush and Moses.

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I only read one YHWH. Jesus is an angel, he is Michael.

Keithw said:

The mistake is one believing they will go to heaven to sit on thrones. The bible is clear its the 144,000 who will, no one else.

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Dear Keithw,
That is what you/JW have made communion about, not that which is clearly understood, when partaking of it as guided by the Word of God. Which is what I have had to continue to bring you back to, time and time again.

Our Lord's death on the Cross is a timeless unique event that is worthy of remembrance for no one else could have done it. So, we hold it close to our hearts with tears, and of joy as well for only through His sacrifice and through Him can we have been reconciled with God. You/JW/Catholics and I'm sure others would add conditions by which it would be received, in rejection of the Word of God. This belief that in placing restrictions and not self-reflective ones that you make it even more Holy to partake of! The similarities to the Mormons that say that their Book is "More Perfect" than the Word of God in truth like them diminishes that which you all seek to uplift. For in this Communion, we remember the sacrifice of His Body & Shed Blood of Christ our Lord and Savior! For there is no other! Alleluia, Alleluia, Alleluia!!!

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Nick
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Keithw said:

I only read one YHWH. Jesus is an angel, he is Michael.

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And where is that in scripture??

Christ4Ever said:

Dear Keithw,
That is what you/JW have made communion about, not that which is clearly understood, when partaking of it as guided by the Word of God. Which is what I have had to continue to bring you back to, time and time again.

Our Lord's death on the Cross is a timeless unique event that is worthy of remembrance for no one else could have done it. So, we hold it close to our hearts with tears, and of joy as well for only through His sacrifice and through Him can we have been reconciled with God. You/JW/Catholics and I'm sure others would add conditions by which it would be received, in rejection of the Word of God. This belief that in placing restrictions and not self-reflective ones that you make it even more Holy to partake of! The similarities to the Mormons that say that their Book is "More Perfect" than the Word of God in truth like them diminishes that which you all seek to uplift. For in this Communion, we remember the sacrifice of His Body & Shed Blood of Christ our Lord and Savior! For there is no other! Alleluia, Alleluia, Alleluia!!!

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Nick
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You have to believe you are going to heaven to sit on thrones if you partake. Do You?

Waggles said:

And where is that in scripture??

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Rev 6--The ride of the white horse begins= righteous war- This was the war in heaven, Michael took that ride and defeated satan and his angels and cast them to the earth Rev 12 explains. Notice Rev 6:2-He receives his crown, only Jesus is getting the crown. Rev 19:11 the continuation of that ride, Jesus is shown leading Gods armies to the earth at Armageddon on the white horse. That ride does not end until Rev 20 is concluded i believe and this occurs-1Cor 15:24-28)
1Thess 4:16--Upon Jesus return, he comes with the trumpet of God( announcing the ride at Rev 6) and comes with the voice of the archangel) --it is his voice. It is Michael who stands up on behalf of Gods chosen in these last days-Daniel 12:1)
The prophecy in Daniel about the birth of Gods kingdom in heaven( he receives his crown) is 2520 years from the removal of the last king in Jerusalem=607 bce--607 + 2520=1914--Rev 6:4--And peace will be taken from the earth=1914 ww1. Because satan and his angels came angry, knowing their time was short. Filled mens hearts with hatred and millions were slaughtered. The other 3 riders rode as well. After ww1, millions upon millions died all over the earth from things mentioned of the other 3 riders, They estimate between 50-100 million died from the spanish flu alone, but many others died from starvation, etc.
Satans actual purpose of that war was to stop of the good news of Gods kingdom that had begun, door to door. No true follower of Jesus would ever stand on both sides of wars of hatred, ever. So those went to prision, the religious leaders were all arrested as well and thrown in prision. The preaching work was stopped, until 1919 when they were released from prision and it started back up.

Keithw said:

You have to believe you are going to heaven to sit on thrones if you partake. Do You?

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Dear Keithw,
I have already shown you that through the verses shown you/JW/others distort the significance of Communion according to Scripture. For it is done in remembrance of our Lord's sacrifice, and not a prerequisite for anything else.

You/JW and as I said others, would place a yoke upon the necks of others. No different then the Pharisees/Sadducees did to the Jewish people.

Even still unable to accept communion for what it is then and now for those who are God's Children. A time of Remembrance!

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Nick
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Christ4Ever said:

Dear Keithw,
I have already shown you that through the verses shown you/JW/others distort the significance of Communion according to Scripture. For it is done in remembrance of our Lord's sacrifice, and not a prerequisite for anything else.

You/JW and as I said others, would place a yoke upon the necks of others. No different then the Pharisees/Sadducees did to the Jewish people.

Even still unable to accept communion for what it is then and now for those who are God's Children. A time of Remembrance!

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Nick
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What dont you understand about Luke 22:30--explaining who that covenant was made with. Luke 22 is all about that covenant--Only to those who will sit on thrones.

Keithw said:

What dont you understand about Luke 22:30--explaining who that covenant was made with. Luke 22 is all about that covenant--Only to those who will sit on thrones.

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Dear Keithw,
So, either you are wrong concerning the significance of Jesus using covenant mentioned in Luke and who it specifically applies to, or Scripture is wrong in 1 Corinthians 11:25-29.

I'd rather put my faith in God's Word, that does not require the interjection of man to know it's meaning. So, you/JW keep accepting what man tells you it means, and I'll let the Holy Spirit provide me the understanding.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Nick
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Keithw said:

I only read one YHWH. Jesus is an angel, he is Michael.

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Dear Keithw,
Say what you have to say on this day. For the above is sufficient for you to be banned. For it is Heresy that you deny the divinity of Jesus Christ!
I knew this would occur, but had hope that the scales covering your eyes from the truth of who Jesus Christ said He was, and is would fall off. Clearly they have not, and so as a Moderator, I must take action, because you joined in full knowledge (Statement of Faith) of what this site believed and stands upon. Yet you still joined, in falsehood to propagate a lie told to you by JW.

Clean up your affairs here, and I'll allow other Brothers & Sisters in Christ Jesus to respond one last time.

Praying that your eyes may one day see the truth that is Jesus Christ.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Moderator
Nick
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@Br. Bear

Thank you Nick @Christ4Ever for trying to help this person.

You have been dealing with someone who is totally brainwashed with JW indoctrination. We can pray for them, but they will no longer be able to interact here and spread lies.

While the title of this thread is, The Last Supper, the content has been one JW attempt to teach false doctrine. For this reason the thread may soon be removed.

Thank you everyone who joined in trying to uphold the truth regarding 'Communion' and what the Bible says to all who will hear.

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@Keithw
I think you owe the administrator an apology for misusing the benefits provided for you, (and all others) knowingly and perhaps deliberately.

You base your faith on teachings of the watchtower mob, who were corrupt from the start, rather than the life of Christ in you by faith. You are missing something far more wonderful than you will ever, ever, ever be able to comprehend through your own thinking and all teaching, anywhere. Unless you are born again, you cannot enter the Kingdom of God.
Come unto Jesus while you still can. Please look at the many other things in the New Testament that Jesus is recorded to say in offering Life to all who would believe.
Put aside the teaching you hold so dear and read the Bible as it is.
If you find it hard to do so, please understand that the fear that has been sowed into your mind is a deception. You are not the only person to have been deceived but you do not have to go to the grave in deception. The truth is there in the Bible, but until you put the JW teaching aside, you may never see it as you're reading is through JW glasses.

We realise that you are committed to the JW teaching, above the Scriptures, and that you proably can not help yourself and go about trying to promote false doctrine, but please also understand that TalkJesus is not here for promoting such and will not bend the rules for you.

Jesus is the Lord


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Dear @Br. Bear
Well said brother!

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
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Keithw said:

I only read one YHWH. Jesus is an angel, he is Michael.

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Heb 1:3; And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,
Heb 1:4; having become as much better than the angels, as He has inherited a more excellent name than they.
Heb 1:5; For to which of the angels did He ever say, "YOU ARE MY SON, TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU"? And again, "I WILL BE A FATHER TO HIM AND HE SHALL BE A SON TO ME"?
Heb 1:6; And when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says, "AND LET ALL THE ANGELS OF GOD WORSHIP HIM."
Heb 1:7; And of the angels He says, "WHO MAKES HIS ANGELS WINDS, AND HIS MINISTERS A FLAME OF FIRE."
Heb 1:8; But of the Son He says, "YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER, AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM.
Heb 1:9; "YOU HAVE LOVED RIGHTEOUSNESS AND HATED LAWLESSNESS; THEREFORE GOD, YOUR GOD, HAS ANOINTED YOU WITH THE OIL OF GLADNESS ABOVE YOUR COMPANIONS."
Heb 1:10; And, "YOU, LORD, IN THE BEGINNING LAID THE FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH, AND THE HEAVENS ARE THE WORKS OF YOUR HANDS;
Heb 1:11; THEY WILL PERISH, BUT YOU REMAIN; AND THEY ALL WILL BECOME OLD LIKE A GARMENT,
Heb 1:12; AND LIKE A MANTLE YOU WILL ROLL THEM UP; LIKE A GARMENT THEY WILL ALSO BE CHANGED. BUT YOU ARE THE SAME, AND YOUR YEARS WILL NOT COME TO AN END."
Heb 1:13; But to which of the angels has He ever said, "SIT AT MY RIGHT HAND, UNTIL I MAKE YOUR ENEMIES A FOOTSTOOL FOR YOUR FEET"?

Jesus is not, and never was an angel.

Heb 2:6; But one has testified somewhere, saying, "WHAT IS MAN, THAT YOU REMEMBER HIM? OR THE SON OF MAN, THAT YOU ARE CONCERNED ABOUT HIM?
Heb 2:7; "YOU HAVE MADE HIM FOR A LITTLE WHILE LOWER THAN THE ANGELS; YOU HAVE CROWNED HIM WITH GLORY AND HONOR, AND HAVE APPOINTED HIM OVER THE WORKS OF YOUR HANDS;
Heb 2:8; YOU HAVE PUT ALL THINGS IN SUBJECTION UNDER HIS FEET." For in subjecting all things to him, He left nothing that is not subject to him. But now we do not yet see all things subjected to him.
Heb 2:9; But we do see Him who was made for a little while lower than the angels, namely, Jesus, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, so that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone.
Heb 2:10; For it was fitting for Him, for whom are all things, and through whom are all things, in bringing many sons to glory, to perfect the author of their salvation through sufferings.

He was lower than an angel... "for a little while".

If Jesus wasn't resurrected as Jesus/Christ.... then all of Christianity is a lie.

1Cor 15:13; But if there is no resurrection of the dead, not even Christ has been raised;
1Cor 15:14; and if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is vain, your faith also is vain.
1Cor 15:15; Moreover we are even found to be false witnesses of God, because we testified against God that He raised Christ, whom He did not raise, if in fact the dead are not raised.
1Cor 15:16; For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised;
1Cor 15:17; and if Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless; you are still in your sins.
1Cor 15:18; Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished.

Acts 1:11; They also said, "Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into the sky? This Jesus, who has been taken up from you into heaven, will come in just the same way as you have watched Him go into heaven."

1Jn 4:1; Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
1Jn 4:2; By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God;
1Jn 4:3; and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.

Keithw said:

I only read one YHWH. Jesus is an angel, he is Michael.

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And where is that in scripture??