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What is your resurrection hope?

What is your resurrection hope?

  • to be manifested with Christ in glory ( in heavenly places far above all heavens)

    Votes: 3 100.0%

  • to meet the Lord in the air, along with the believing dead who will have been raised to life again

    Votes: 2 66.7%

  • to welcome His return as King at the mount of Olives upon the earth

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • I don't know

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    3
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What is your resurrection hope?

1. Is it to be manifested with Christ in glory ( in heavenly places far above all heavens)? (Colossians 3:3-4)

2. Is it to meet the Lord in the air, along with the believing dead who will have been raised to life again (1 Thessalonians 4:17)?

3. Is it to welcome His return as King at the mount of Olives upon the earth (Zechariah 14:4-5)

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
Greetings Chris
@complete

I added a poll for this thread.
Let me know if that is OK or not, please and/or any alterations... here or by PM

Jesus is Lord


Bless you ....><>
 
complete said:
What is your resurrection hope?

1. Is it to be manifested with Christ in glory ( in heavenly places far above all heavens)? (Colossians 3:3-4)

2. Is it to meet the Lord in the air, along with the believing dead who will have been raised to life again (1 Thessalonians 4:17)?

3. Is it to welcome His return as King at the mount of Olives upon the earth (Zechariah 14:4-5)

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
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Hello Chris,
I personally can relate to Jesus on the mount of olives, as long as we know the antichrist falls then.

This is a much debated subject and I'm open to the truth that God's Word will pass and regardless of whether we have interpreted correctly or incorrectly.


It seems that the rapture will occur first when looking at scriptures and all teachings.
Although can't say that for sure.
The time of the great tribulation is also known as Jacobs trouble, for the remnant of Israel that isn't saved, as well as the rest of the world going through the great tribulation.
We can look at Jeremiah
Jeremiah 30 and particularly Jeremiah 30:7

It is foreshown that people will be fainting with fear , with the oppression. This seems to be the time of the antichrist.

Isaiah 19 shows that for the Egyptians but at the end it is promising. As in Jeremiah shows a good outcome. "He will be saved out of it." Jeremiah 30:7
As it appears for many others ,and when Jesus spoke about this. Matthew 24

For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Many will mourn Revelation 1:7 and many will remain unrepentant. Revelation 9:21

I have this video link which imo is very good teaching, that makes sense .

 
complete said:
Hello Br. Bear,

Whatever you think is best.

:love:
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Greetings Chris,

looking at it again, your choices are not all there in a couple of places. I had a look and note that the character limit is 100 so i would have to ask Admin to change it to something higher.

I'll remove it for now and these interactions about it.


Bless you Sister ....><>

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EDIT: I have shortened the wording. Took out the Bible references as you have them in your introduction post @complete
 
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*Lavender said:
Hello Chris,
I personally can relate to Jesus on the mount of olives, as long as we know the antichrist falls then.

This is a much debated subject and I'm open to the truth that God's Word will pass and regardless of whether we have interpreted correctly or incorrectly.


It seems that the rapture will occur first when looking at scriptures and all teachings.
Although can't say that for sure.
The time of the great tribulation is also known as Jacobs trouble, for the remnant of Israel that isn't saved, as well as the rest of the world going through the great tribulation.
We can look at Jeremiah
Jeremiah 30 and particularly Jeremiah 30:7

It is foreshown that people will be fainting with fear , with the oppression. This seems to be the time of the antichrist.

Isaiah 19 shows that for the Egyptians but at the end it is promising. As in Jeremiah shows a good outcome. "He will be saved out of it." Jeremiah 30:7
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'For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
When Christ, Who is our life, shall appear,
then shall ye also appear with Him in glory.'
(Col 3:3)

Thank you, @Lavenderfields,

I watched the video, and he does make some good points, though I don't agree with all that he says, although am familiar with them.

My belief is that I will be with those within the first of the categories given. (Colossians 3:3-4). To be manifested with Him in glory. Which I believe takes place immediately prior to His coming.

I don't believe that the church will go through the tribulation. Regarding the hope held by those of 1 Thessalonians 4, Matthew 24:36-51 etc., which Christians call the 'rapture'. I believe that hope is for believers within Israel, who will have gone through the first 3 1/2 years of the tribulation, but will be rescued from the great tribulation of the 3 1/2years that follow.

I find these things hard to grasp, and when I think I have it sussed, I then see something else which causes me to question, yet again: but of my own hope in Colossians 3:3-4 I have no doubt.

Thank you, my sister-in-Christ.
Chris
 
Br. Bear said:
Greetings Chris,

looking at it again, your choices are not all there in a couple of places. I had a look and note that the character limit is 100 so i would have to ask Admin to change it to something higher.

I'll remove it for now and these interactions about it.


Bless you Sister ....><>
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Hi there, @Br. Bear,

If you want to reduce the wording in order for it to fit, please do. For I know you will ensure that the sense remains.

:)
 
Col 1:26 This message is the secret truth that was hidden since the beginning of time. It was hidden from everyone for ages, but now it has been made known to God's holy people.
Col 1:27 God decided to let his people know just how rich and glorious that truth is. That secret truth, which is for all people, is that Christ lives in you, his people. He is our hope for glory. (ERV)
 
complete said:
What is your resurrection hope?

1. Is it to be manifested with Christ in glory ( in heavenly places far above all heavens)? (Colossians 3:3-4)

2. Is it to meet the Lord in the air, along with the believing dead who will have been raised to life again (1 Thessalonians 4:17)?

3. Is it to welcome His return as King at the mount of Olives upon the earth (Zechariah 14:4-5)

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
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Friend, my resurrection hope is none of the above. My resurrection hope is knowing that I'm ALREADY resurrected, I now walk in the newness of life, all the demons in my past are buried in the past. All the trauma, the hurt, the shame, the grudge, even the laziness, gone. Crucified on the cross and sealed in the tomb. That's a SIGN of true salvation, my current spiritual life is a preview of my eternal life. I see the seed of the gospel producing spiritual fruits in me, I hear the Holy Spirit calling me to do what I SHOULD do and reject what I WANT to do. Of course I still have to fight the spiritual warfare for the rest of my life, from time to time these demons may still pop up and haunt me in my dream, but I'm not alone, for God is with me, He has empowered me with the Holy Spirit.
 
Jonathan_Gale said:
Friend, my resurrection hope is none of the above. My resurrection hope is knowing that I'm ALREADY resurrected, I now walk in the newness of life, all the demons in my past are buried in the past. All the trauma, the hurt, the shame, the grudge, even the laziness, gone. Crucified on the cross and sealed in the tomb. That's a SIGN of true salvation, my current spiritual life is a preview of my eternal life. I see the seed of the gospel producing spiritual fruits in me, I hear the Holy Spirit calling me to do what I SHOULD do and reject what I WANT to do. Of course I still have to fight the spiritual warfare for the rest of my life, from time to time these demons may still pop up and haunt me in my dream, but I'm not alone, for God is with me, He has empowered me with the Holy Spirit.
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'That I may know Him,
and the power of His resurrection,
and the fellowship of His sufferings,
being made conformable unto His death;
If by any means I might attain unto
the resurrection of the dead.' (G386 anastasis:- resurrection from death)
(Php 3:10-11)


Hello @Jonathan_Gale,

Praise God! Thank you for that testimony my friend :) .
Yes, in the sight of God, according to His purpose, we are ascended to God's right hand in Christ Jesus our Lord, for we are identified with Him, in His death, burial, quickening, resurrection and ascension. That is our faith position 'in Christ' by God's reckoning. However The flesh still has to put on in-corruption, and immortality, the body still needs to be raised. We surely must not deny the need of the resurrection of our bodies? For that change must take place from mortality to immortality, from corruption to incorruption.

I share your belief, as expressed: but still see the necessity for the resurrection out from among the dead: as Paul did in the Scripture quoted above. For I think of Paul's words regarding Hymenaeus and Philetus, who concerning the truth erred, by saying that the resurrection is past already, thereby overthrowing the faith of some (2 Timothy 2:17-18).

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
complete said:
'That I may know Him,
and the power of His resurrection,
and the fellowship of His sufferings,
being made conformable unto His death;
If by any means I might attain unto
the resurrection of the dead.' (G386 anastasis:- resurrection from death)
(Php 3:10-11)


Hello @Jonathan_Gale,

Praise God! Thank you for that testimony my friend :) .
Yes, in the sight of God, according to His purpose, we are ascended to God's right hand in Christ Jesus our Lord, for we are identified with Him, in His death, burial, quickening, resurrection and ascension. That is our faith position 'in Christ' by God's reckoning. However The flesh still has to put on in-corruption, and immortality, the body still needs to be raised. We surely must not deny the need of the resurrection of our bodies? For that change must take place from mortality to immortality, from corruption to incorruption.

I share your belief, as expressed: but still see the necessity for the resurrection out from among the dead: as Paul did in the Scripture quoted above. For I think of Paul's words regarding Hymenaeus and Philetus, who concerning the truth erred, by saying that the resurrection is past already, thereby overthrowing the faith of some (2 Timothy 2:17-18).

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
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Actually, ALL will be resurrected, both the righteous and the unrighteous, hence the FIRST resurrection (Rev. 20:5) and the SECOND death (Rev. 20:14). What you're thinking about is BLESSED ASSURANCE of eternal life with the Lord. It all comes down to the same old question: How do I know I'm truly saved? The answer is actually very simple: am I saved NOW? From sins? Has His truth set me free? Am I ready to meet Him? As I said, our spiritual state NOW in this life is a PREVIEW of our eternal state in the next life. Moses was banned from the Promised Land, but God allowed him to sit on a rock and have a sneak peak of the Promised Land. That, is the model of this PREVIEW.
 
Greetings,

hope can seem to be a 'weakness' for many.
Some prefer to be able to have what they think or believe is 'solid' and 'unmovable' and might consider Hope as something for those who either have little faith or are 'wishful thinkers'.

But we have in Scripture a very sound and steadfast hope presented and it appears that those who believe have such a hope, that nothing can shake.

Perhaps we could look at what Hope is?
What words are rendered Hope?
What reference to Hope is there that would define the blessedness of it?
Who is our Hope?

Do we have great confidence in our standing and position or do we have great confidence in Him Who is our Hope?
===================

The pillars...
and now there doth remain faith, hope, love -- these three; and the greatest of these is love.
1Corinthians 13:13

Bless you ....><>
 
Br. Bear said:
Perhaps we could look at what Hope is?
What words are rendered Hope?
What reference to Hope is there that would define the blessedness of it?
Who is our Hope?
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Yeah, seriously, man, the last few years since the China virus hit are really eye opening. All these institutions, businesses, experts, celebrities, government officials, even the military have trashed their credibility and sold their soul to the devil. It's like God has given up on all of them to a debased mind, just as it says in Rom. 1:28-32. That's a huge redpill that woke up a lot of normies, me included. All those idols I used to hold dear, now turned out to be total abominations. They have all lost their appeal, you know, they have left me without me planning to leave them. And that makes me realize whom our Hope is and who holds the future, 'cause there's really nothing else we could rely on.
 
• Matt 16:18 . . I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against
it.

The identity of the "my church" has a lot to do with resurrection.

The "my church" isn't an institution, it's a human body. In point of fact, it consists
of Jesus' human body that died on his cross. (Eph 1:22-23, Eph 5:30)

The "hell" in view is translated from the Greek word haides, which is an afterlife
world where all the dead at one time retired-- the good dead as well as the bad
dead regardless of age, race, religion, and/or gender identity.

Now when Jesus died, his crucified dead body wasn't laid to rest in haides. His
friends tucked it away in a tomb. However, Psalm 16:10 and Acts 2:25 32 verify
that Jesus was simultaneously in haides. Well, within three days he escaped haides,
was reunited with his body, and it was restored to life. So in his case for sure, the
gates of haides failed to prevail: he won, it lost

So what? Well, were it possible for Jesus' body to be reckoned your body, then you
too would've defeated the gates of haides; which is pretty much what Romans 6:3-
-11 is saying.

In a nutshell: seeing as how the resurrection of Jesus' crucified dead body can't be
undone with any more ease than recalling the gong of a bell or the toot of a horn;
then the same is true for folks whose body is reckoned his body, i.e. their own
resurrections are just as much a done deal as his, and it is God's will that they not
doubt, rather, accept it as fact.

The icing on the cake? Jesus' crucified dead body was restored to life fully immune
to the wages of sin (Rom 6:9-10) and do I really need to elucidate how that applies
to the members of his body? Yes; they too are fully immune to the wages of sin
because God-- by some strange process that I have yet to figure out --reckons
Jesus' body as their body.

So, with the assurance that Jesus' resurrection has already been accomplished, and
thus theirs too, the members of his body are encouraged to look forward to their
resurrections' finality. (Rom 8:23-25)

FYI: The Greek word for "hope" in Rom 8:23-25 pertains to anticipation, which is
way different than crossing one's fingers and praying for the best while in the back
of their mind dreading the worst.
_
 
Beetow said:
• Matt 16:18 . . I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against
it.

The identity of the "my church" has a lot to do with resurrection.

The "my church" isn't an institution, it's a human body. In point of fact, it consists
of Jesus' human body that died on his cross. (Eph 1:22-23, Eph 5:30)

The "hell" in view is translated from the Greek word haides, which is an afterlife
world where all the dead at one time retired-- the good dead as well as the bad
dead regardless of age, race, religion, and/or gender identity.

Now when Jesus died, his crucified dead body wasn't laid to rest in haides. His
friends tucked it away in a tomb. However, Psalm 16:10 and Acts 2:25 32 verify
that Jesus was simultaneously in haides. Well, within three days he escaped haides,
was reunited with his body, and it was restored to life. So in his case for sure, the
gates of haides failed to prevail: he won, it lost

So what? Well, were it possible for Jesus' body to be reckoned your body, then you
too would've defeated the gates of haides; which is pretty much what Romans 6:3-
-11 is saying.

In a nutshell: seeing as how the resurrection of Jesus' crucified dead body can't be
undone with any more ease than recalling the gong of a bell or the toot of a horn;
then the same is true for folks whose body is reckoned his body, i.e. their own
resurrections are just as much a done deal as his, and it is God's will that they not
doubt, rather, accept it as fact.

The icing on the cake? Jesus' crucified dead body was restored to life fully immune
to the wages of sin (Rom 6:9-10) and do I really need to elucidate how that applies
to the members of his body? Yes; they too are fully immune to the wages of sin
because God-- by some strange process that I have yet to figure out --reckons
Jesus' body as their body.

So, with the assurance that Jesus' resurrection has already been accomplished, and
thus theirs too, the members of his body are encouraged to look forward to their
resurrections' finality. (Rom 8:23-25)

FYI: The Greek word for "hope" in Rom 8:23-25 pertains to anticipation, which is
way different than crossing one's fingers and praying for the best while in the back
of their mind dreading the worst.
_
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The word "ecclasia" means an assembly CALLED OUT for a SPECIAL PURPOSE. In most bible versions it's commonly translated as "church", and unfortunately the English word "ecclasiastic" is exclusively referring to Catholic clergy, but "ecclasia" is never meant to be limited in this religious context. In fact, this is more of a political term, any committee, panel or town hall meeting could be an "ecclasia". When the congress is in session, that's an "ecclasia". When a board of directors is gathered up to discuss business, that's an "ecclasia". We as the church are supposed to function in a similar way , we working in our own mission fields for the week, but when we gather up, we gather up for a greater purpose, that is, to worship our Lord and Savior.
 
Jonathan_Gale said:
The word "ecclasia" means . . .
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If you fail to become a member of the "my church" spoken of in post #15, you will
most certainly fail to prevail against the gates of hell no matter the denomination
with which you are affiliated. That is an infallible fact.
_
 
Beetow said:
If you fail to become a member of the "my church" spoken of in post #15, you will
most certainly fail to prevail against the gates of hell no matter the denomination
with which you are affiliated. That is an infallible fact.
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The infallible fact is, “My church” is sent out to make a much greater impact during the six days of work than gathering in that one day within the four walls of a church building. A member of “My church” is tasked to work in the mission field and confront the gates of hell, not hiding in the sanctuary all the time.
 
Br. Bear said:
Greetings,

hope can seem to be a 'weakness' for many.
Some prefer to be able to have what they think or believe is 'solid' and 'unmovable' and might consider Hope as something for those who either have little faith or are 'wishful thinkers'.

But we have in Scripture a very sound and steadfast hope presented and it appears that those who believe have such a hope, that nothing can shake.

Perhaps we could look at what Hope is?
What words are rendered Hope?
What reference to Hope is there that would define the blessedness of it?
Who is our Hope?

Do we have great confidence in our standing and position or do we have great confidence in Him Who is our Hope?
===================

The pillars...
and now there doth remain faith, hope, love -- these three; and the greatest of these is love.
1Corinthians 13:13

Bless you ....><>
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'For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit,
even we ourselves groan within ourselves,
waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
For we are saved by hope: (G1680)
but hope that is seen is not hope: (G1680)
for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for? (G1679)
But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.' (1679)
(Rom 8:22-25)

Hello @Br. Bear,

Your suggestion that we should look at what HOPE is, what Greek or Hebrew words are rendered HOPE, looking at where and in what manner (context) they are used in Scripture by the Holy Spirit, and consider in depth just Who is our HOPE. Why our standing before God in Him is so sure, and Why equally our present state cannot influence it, is a good one.

Only by knowing what is true and sure concerning our HOPE can we have that unwavering faith necessary to enable us to stand in the days of trial that we will all experience at some time or another during our lives. It is that knowledge that provides confidence isn't it:-

'For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning,
that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have HOPE.'
(Rom 15:4)

* The following, as you can see, are the Strong's Concordance Numbers which are translated HOPE. It is a start if anyone wishes to make that study, which I hope to do later.

G1680: - 'Elpis' = to anticipate, anticipation or confidence. Translated:- faith or hope.
G1679: - 'Elpizo' = to expect, or confide. Translated:- hope or trust.

H8615, H4723. H3176, H3689
H8431. H982 & 983, H7664,
H2620, H986, H663, H2976,
H7663, H4009, H4268, H3175

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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Jonathan_Gale said:
The infallible fact is, “My church” is sent out to make a much greater impact during the six days of work than gathering in that one day within the four walls of a church building. A member of “My church” is tasked to work in the mission field and confront the gates of hell, not hiding in the sanctuary all the time.
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Helo @Jonathan_Gale,

The glorious fact of our faith is that the sanctuary that we are part of is Christ isn't it? Not a building made with hands: and we therefore do not have to leave it, for He and those who, like ourselves comprise that building, move as one; for we are members one of another. If we fully appreciated this truth, then wouldn't our burden be lightened, and our lives be filled with joy, in the knowledge of our shared position in Christ?

Also would we not also see that though we are in the comfort of our homes, there are those of us who are working in foreign climes and in difficult and hazardous situations, and therefore though not there in person, we are there in spirit, and can therefore help to bear the burden by prayer for them, and they for us, As members of the One Body?

Should not the prayers of Ephesians one and three, be on our lips for each other daily, as we together. by joints and bands, have nourishment ministered to us by the risen Christ, who is our glorious Head?

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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