Yes, you misread what I wrote.

JerryfromMass said:

Yes, you misread what I wrote.

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Today, I'm not surprised...maybe I should not be discussing bible issues, but I want to be with people today....in spite

Admon Mikha'el said:

So you're saying that we're in the tribulation period now? Or that it just ended?

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No sorry, I am saying Rev 6:12 is about the 6th seal. The other 5 seals have happened before this time. I am not saying they have already happened in our time.

Admon Mikha'el said:

Today, I'm not surprised...maybe I should not be discussing bible issues, but I want to be with people today....in spite

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I hear you.

B-A-C said:

No sorry, I am saying Rev 6:12 is about the 6th seal. The other 5 seals have happened before this time. I am not saying they have already happened in our time.

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Ahh!

To clarify -- the rapture is when All born again believers / the Church / will be gathered up -- the dead in Christ 1st and then those who are still alive at that time -- will also be taken up in the sky and meet Jesus Christ there.

The 2nd coming is when Jesus Christ comes back to earth -- stands on the Mt. of Olives -- He will be here reigning for 1,000 yrs. -- His Bride / the Church // will be with Him to 'help'.

And - in between these two events -- there will be 7 yrs. of God dealing with the non-believing Jews. And there Will Be multitudes coming to Christ during that time.

The way that people Will be ready For the rapture of the Church is to be born again. Accepting Jesus Christ as their personal Savior.

The only part I've Not been clear about is WHO will be coming back with Jesus Christ to reign with Him. Is that group Only those who have been martyred? or all believers.

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The 2nd coming is when Jesus Christ comes back to earth -- stands on the Mt. of Olives -- He will be here reigning for 1,000 yrs. -- His Bride / the Church // will be with Him to 'help'.

And - in between these two events -- there will be 7 yrs. of God dealing with the non-believing Jews. And there Will Be multitudes coming to Christ during that time.

The way that people Will be ready For the rapture of the Church is to be born again. Accepting Jesus Christ as their personal Savior.

The only part I've Not been clear about is WHO will be coming back with Jesus Christ to reign with Him. Is that group Only those who have been martyred? or all believers.
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Define "In Christ" The dead IN CHRIST...What does that mean? "In Him" What does it mean? The bride has made HERSELF ready....That's not praying a prayer. Its not making yourself ready. Christians are taught that making yourself ready is to pray a prayer of salvation....but that's not what the bible says....We are to be in Christ...We are to be Spirit led, Spirit anointed but we as Christians live little to no different from non Christians. We are not making ourselves ready....Most of us are completely out of oil....if we ever had any....

• Matt 10:39 . .Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my
sake will find it.

The biggest road block to radical feminists becoming effective Christian disciples is
Jesus' gender. You see, at the heart of feminism, is the drive to be independent of
males. Yet the very Lord and Master of Christianity, the supreme male in the
universe; demands death to a woman's self interests, and submission to his
domineering control. Good luck on that one ladies.

• Luke 14:26 . . If you want to be my follower you must love me more than your
own father and mother, wife and children brothers and sisters-- yes, more than
your own life. And you cannot be my disciple if you do take up your own cross and
follow me.

In Jesus' day, crosses were for executions. So when Jesus told his disciples to "take
up their own cross" it meant stifling their own way; viz: it was a call to abandon self
interests, and follow The Master's leading.

• Rom 12:1-2 . .Therefore, I urge you, brothers, in view of God's mercy, to offer
your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God-- this is your spiritual act
of worship. Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be
transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and
approve what God's will is-- his good, pleasing and perfect will.

The bitter irony of it all is that God has delegated the task of humanity's final
judgment to His son; viz: in the end, it will be a male who casts condemned radical
feminist women into Hell and permanently ruins any chances they might have had
for happiness in the future. For all eternity, condemned radical feminist women will
grind their teeth with hot tears and white-knuckled fury that they ultimately lost out
on everything because of one lone male's obsessive control over their lives. Isn't
that what radical feminism is really all about anyway: male supremacy? Poor things;
they can't win for losing.

UPDATE: 214 days have elapsed since my first comment. If the figures in post No.5
are in the ball park, then something like 13,294,536 new arrivals have checked into
the fiery sector of Hades since Oct 08, 2020.
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Sue D. said:

why not share how you Really feel about Mothers

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The only women I've been condemning are:

Cain's women
Judas goats
Potipher's wife
Athaliah
Women on the road to Hell, and
Radical feminists.

I have been condemning those women based upon their character rather than their
gender.

Acting in one of his movies, Kevin Costner, playing a father named Elliot Anderson;
is in court during a custody battle. One of the attorneys asks him: Mr. Anderson;
do you hate black people? He answered: Not all of them.

And then Mr. Anderson goes on to point out that the attorney (himself black) no
doubt feels the same way, i.e. he despises some white people, but not all white
people.

You see; I don't despise all women, nor do I despise all mothers; only bad ones.
But you are so blinded with gender bias that you've thus far been unable to see
that.

NOTE: For the benefit of those unaware: Radical feminism is somewhat
different than standard feminism. The standard kind is basically concerned with
equality, whereas the radical kind is basically chafed by male supremacy. The
standard kind is typically peaceable with men, whereas the radical kind is driven by
misandry, i.e. hatred for men. Judging by her defensive reaction to some of my
posts; I'd guess that Sue D. is a standard feminist.
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Beetow said:

• Matt 10:39 . .Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my
sake will find it.

The biggest road block to radical feminists becoming effective Christian disciples is
Jesus' gender. You see, at the heart of feminism, is the drive to be independent of
males. Yet the very Lord and Master of Christianity, the supreme male in the
universe; demands death to a woman's self interests, and submission to his
domineering control. Good luck on that one ladies.

• Luke 14:26 . . If you want to be my follower you must love me more than your
own father and mother, wife and children brothers and sisters-- yes, more than
your own life. And you cannot be my disciple if you do take up your own cross and
follow me.

In Jesus' day, crosses were for executions. So when Jesus told his disciples to "take
up their own cross" it meant stifling their own way; viz: it was a call to abandon self
interests, and follow The Master's leading.

• Rom 12:1-2 . .Therefore, I urge you, brothers, in view of God's mercy, to offer
your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God-- this is your spiritual act
of worship. Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be
transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and
approve what God's will is-- his good, pleasing and perfect will.

The bitter irony of it all is that God has delegated the task of humanity's final
judgment to His son; viz: in the end, it will be a male who casts condemned radical
feminist women into Hell and permanently ruins any chances they might have had
for happiness in the future. For all eternity, condemned radical feminist women will
grind their teeth with hot tears and white-knuckled fury that they ultimately lost out
on everything because of one lone male's obsessive control over their lives. Isn't
that what radical feminism is really all about anyway: male supremacy? Pity.

UPDATE: 214 days have elapsed since my first comment. If the figures in post No.5
are in the ball park, then something like 13,294,536 new arrivals have checked into
the fiery sector of Hades since Oct 08, 2020.
_

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Radical and rebellious women AND men will be forever condemned.

Beetow said:

The only women I've been condemning are:

Cain's women
Judas goats
Potipher's wife
Athaliah
Women on the road to Hell, and
Radical feminists.

I have been condemning those women based upon their character rather than their
gender.

Acting in one of his movies, Kevin Costner, playing a father named Elliot Anderson;
is in court during a custody battle. One of the attorneys asks him: Mr. Anderson;
do you hate black people? He answered: Not all of them.

And then Mr. Anderson goes on to point out that the attorney (himself black) no
doubt feels the same way, i.e. he despises some white people, but not all white
people.

You see; I don't despise all women, nor do I despise all mothers; only bad ones.
But you are so blinded with gender bias that you've thus far been unable to see
that.

NOTE: For the benefit of those unaware: Radical feminism is somewhat
different than standard feminism. The standard kind is basically concerned with
equality, whereas the radical kind is basically chafed by male supremacy. The
standard kind is typically peaceable with men, whereas the radical kind is driven by
misandry, i.e. hatred for men. Judging by her defensive reaction to some of my
posts; I'd guess that Sue D. is a standard feminist.
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Condemnation is the purview of the Lord. Pray for the wicked to turn from their evil and repent. The heart is deceitfully wicked, and only God truly knows the heart of a person.

@Beetow -- If I'm understanding your post correctly -- you're saying that I'm "so blinded by gender bias , etc "?! Where do you get That from. You were the one 'shouting down' women. So -- you're only against the Bad women. I simply countered Your comment with 'men can be the same way'.

Neither you or myself are perfect -- we've both got our 'warts' to deal with. And That would apply to All men and All women Everywhere.

@Beetow -- is it possible that my responding back to your posts makes me a feminist of some sort? That as a woman -- I'm supposed to 'be quiet' on Forum and not interject any thoughts? Just curious.

Sue D. said:

To clarify -- the rapture is when All born again believers / the Church / will be gathered up -- the dead in Christ 1st and then those who are still alive at that time -- will also be taken up in the sky and meet Jesus Christ there.

The 2nd coming is when Jesus Christ comes back to earth -- stands on the Mt. of Olives -- He will be here reigning for 1,000 yrs. -- His Bride / the Church // will be with Him to 'help'.

And - in between these two events -- there will be 7 yrs. of God dealing with the non-believing Jews. And there Will Be multitudes coming to Christ during that time.

The way that people Will be ready For the rapture of the Church is to be born again. Accepting Jesus Christ as their personal Savior.

The only part I've Not been clear about is WHO will be coming back with Jesus Christ to reign with Him. Is that group Only those who have been martyred? or all believers.

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All who are born again from above are the ekklesia, only they are the church, only they are the one's our Lord returns for. They are the Body of Christ, to be the Bride of Christ.

Your second and third sentences, is yourself assuming that the will be a pre-trib rapture Sue. This is possible but very unlikely based on scripture.

Shalom

Sue D. said:

Neither you or myself are perfect -- we've both got our 'warts' to deal with. And
That would apply to All men and All women Everywhere.

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Recriminations are a natural reaction to criticism; typically motivated by
resentment at being singled out for faults common to others.

However, recriminations are quite futile. They do nothing to mitigate one's own
faults nor excuse their conduct. Recriminations are an indignant person's way of
dragging people down with them so they don't go down alone.

• Luke 6:29 . . And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek, offer also the
other.

In this day and age of assertiveness, turning the other cheek is no longer in vogue
with some Christians. Oh, they'll vote for turning the other cheek alright and agree
it's good Christian character. But you know, good Christian character is sort of like
the Classics: everybody says we ought to have the Classics in our libraries, but
really: who ever reads them?

• 1Pet 2:21-24 . . For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us,
leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps . . who, when He was
reviled, did not revile in return.
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Beetow said:

Recriminations are a natural reaction to criticism; typically motivated by
resentment at being singled out for faults common to others.

However, recriminations are quite futile. They do nothing to mitigate one's own
faults nor excuse their conduct. Recriminations are an indignant person's way of
dragging people down with them so they don't go down alone.

• Luke 6:29 . . And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek, offer also the
other.

In this day and age of assertiveness, turning the other cheek is no longer in vogue
with some Christians. Oh, they'll vote for turning the other cheek alright and agree
it's good Christian character. But you know, good Christian character is sort of like
the Classics: everybody says we ought to have the Classics in our libraries, but
really: who ever reads them?

• 1Pet 2:21-24 . . For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us,
leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps . . who, when He was
reviled, did not revile in return.
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LOL. Sorry for snickering, but your recrimination of Sue D. is definitely on the passive-aggressive side. Kind of like the man when asked how he could be so humble: he replied "I work tirelessly at it day after day until I am certain that I know I am the most humble man in town."

JerryfromMass said:

LOL. Sorry for snickering

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No need to apologize. Snickering, though somewhat lacking sophistication, is,
nevertheless, self expression.

I disapprove of what you say,
But I will defend to the death your right to say it.
( Evelyn Beatrice Hall / The Friends Of Voltaire )

Ø Resist the deep state. Vote NO on cancel culture.
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Beetow said:

No need to apologize. Snickering, though somewhat lacking sophistication, is,
nevertheless, self expression.

I disapprove of what you say,
But I will defend to the death your right to say it.
( Evelyn Beatrice Hall / The Friends Of Voltaire )

Ø Vote NO on cancel culture.
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If I had a vote, I would vote NO. However, the media and high tech leftists are driving that train (cancel culture) and they seem to be right in bed with it andceach other.

JerryfromMass said:

If I had a vote, I would vote NO.

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Your opinion is a vote (for now). Bravo to you for standing against the American
oligarchy on the world wide web.
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• Gen 3:22 . . And the Lord God said: Now that Man has become as one of us,
discerning good and evil.

The covenant that Moses' people agreed upon with God per Exodus, Leviticus,
Numbers, and Deuteronomy specified a number of rituals for addressing one's
behavior, but none to address one's moral perception, i.e. the conscience.

Although Christ's followers are stuck with their natural self's unholy moral compass
while in this life, it's possible to at least sanitize it. According to Heb 9:1-14,
Christ's blood does this for them; and they never need to get their conscience sanitized
ever again, i.e. the one time is good enough for all time.

UPDATE: 217 days have elapsed since my first comment. If the figures in post No.5
are in the ball park, then something like 13,480,908 new arrivals have checked into
the fiery sector of Hades since Oct 08, 2020.
_

Beetow said:

• Gen 3:22 . . And the Lord God said: Now that Man has become as one of us,
discerning good and evil.

The covenant that Moses' people agreed upon with God per Exodus, Leviticus,
Numbers, and Deuteronomy specified a number of rituals for addressing one's
behavior, but none to address one's moral perception, i.e. the conscience.

Although Christ's followers are stuck with their natural self's unholy moral compass
while in this life, it's possible to at least sanitize it. According to Heb 9:1-14,
Christ's blood does this for them; and they never need to get their conscience sanitized
ever again, i.e. the one time is good enough for all time.

UPDATE: 217 days have elapsed since my first comment. If the figures in post No.5
are in the ball park, then something like 13,480,908 new arrivals have checked into
the fiery sector of Hades since Oct 08, 2020.
_

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God gave Moses and thru him Israel all the moral guidance that they needed from the moral law contained in the Decalogue, the ceremonial laws, and judicial laws. The moral perception of what the laws meant, how to be guided by them, etc, should have been a no-brainer: it was all spelled out in black and white.