complete said:

Hello @Primordial Light,

Thank you for your response. I believe I understand what you are saying concerning Romans 11:32. However, the 'all' of Romans 11:32, is intended to place both Jew and Gentile on a level playing-field, to show that 'all' have sinned and come should of the glory of God, and thereby showing that all need to come to God for forgiveness by the same way, and that is on the basis of the sacrificial work of Christ on their behalf. All have the potential to receive of God's mercy and grace, but not all will, for not all will seek His forgiveness, and receive the salvation of God by faith in His Beloved Son.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

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complete said:

Hello @Butch5,

I agree with you that we should beware of allowing our presuppositions to determine it's meaning. The use of the word eternity, appears to be an indefinitely long period, one unplumable by the human mind, but known of God.

* I am happy with the definitions of aion and aionos, and it's usage, that I found in 'The New Englishman's Concordance':-

- an indefinitely long period, of eternity (past or future) as in John 6:51 & John 9:32,
- or of a certain segment of time, an era or age (present or futre) as in Matthew 12:32 or Mark 10:30,
- or can also be used of the material universe as the manifestation of the ages, ie., the aggregate of things contained in time as in Matthew 12:32, Matthew 13:22, and Matthew 24:3, where it is translated 'world'.

* That really covers all it's usage, I feel.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

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Primordial Light said:

What a botch commentaries have made of the simple greek word 'AION', which means "eon" which is "an age"

@Butch5 "Aionious" and it's derivations is plural for "ages". Louis Abbot's, "Analytical Study of Words" will clear things up

An Analytical Study of Words

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complete said:

Hello @Butch5,

I agree with you that we should beware of allowing our presuppositions to determine it's meaning. The use of the word eternity, appears to be an indefinitely long period, one unplumable by the human mind, but known of God.

* I am happy with the definitions of aion and aionos, and it's usage, that I found in 'The New Englishman's Concordance':-

- an indefinitely long period, of eternity (past or future) as in John 6:51 & John 9:32,
- or of a certain segment of time, an era or age (present or futre) as in Matthew 12:32 or Mark 10:30,
- or can also be used of the material universe as the manifestation of the ages, ie., the aggregate of things contained in time as in Matthew 12:32, Matthew 13:22, and Matthew 24:3, where it is translated 'world'.

* That really covers all it's usage, I feel.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

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Primordial Light said:

What a botch commentaries have made of the simple greek word 'AION', which means "eon" which is "an age"

@Butch5 "Aionious" and it's derivations is plural for "ages". Louis Abbot's, "Analytical Study of Words" will clear things up

An Analytical Study of Words

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Primordial Light said:

Once you understand the Abrahamic Covenant, it's a No Brainer.

The question is - Does Butch understand the Abrahamic Covenant?

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Admon Mikha'el said:

What does the Abrahamic covenant have to do with anything?

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Primordial Light said:

Oh, just a little thingy that JESUS CHRIST came to fulfill and is fulfilling.

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Admon Mikha'el said:

Your sarcastic tone is refreshing....You do know, of course, that we do not live under the Abrahamic covenant?

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Primordial Light said:

So then you are not in Christ WHICH IS Abraham's Seed - Gal 3:16,29.

Back to the drawing board . .

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Admon Mikha'el said:

You really need to learn proper communication skills. Yes We are Abrahams seed. Yes we do benefit from the covenant God made with Abraham. No...We are not bound by Abrahamic covenant, just the beneficiaries of it. and We do live under a different covenant altogether. Back to the old drawing board..Your turn.

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For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the bondwoman and one by the free woman. But the son by the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and the son by the free woman through the promise. This is allegorically speaking, for these women are two covenants: one proceeding from Mount Sinai bearing children who are to be slaves; she is Hagar. Now this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. But the Jerusalem above is free; she is our mother. For it is written,
“Rejoice, barren woman who does not bear;
Break forth and shout, you who are not in labor;
For more numerous are the children of the desolate
Than of the one who has a husband.”
And you brethren, like Isaac, are children of promise. But as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so it is now also. But what does the Scripture say?
“Cast out the bondwoman and her son,
For the son of the bondwoman shall not be an heir with the son of the free woman.”
So then, brethren, we are not children of a bondwoman, but of the free woman.

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Primordial Light said:

Galatians 4:22-31

The question is - Are you of the "Jerusalem Above"?

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Butch5 said:

Yeah. I just can't get on board with eternity.

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Sue D. said:

Well -- you probably Need to 'get on board' with that -- because you and everyone else in this world will be in eternity -- be it in the lake of fire and brimstone or in the New Jerusalem / heaven. Those are the only two places that everyone one of us will be spending eternity In.

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Butch5 said:

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The Abrahamic Covenant is the Christian's hope. God promised that land to Abraham and his seed. Paul said that Seed was Christ and those in Christ are Abraham's seed and heirs according to the promise. The promise is the land and it is the inheritance of Christ and Christians. Christians will live on the Earth.

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Butch5 said:

Uh, yes sir. The promise to Abraham is the Christian's hope. It's the land promise.

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