David1954 said:

So, I don't know what you're saying. Jews and gentiles who believe are Christians, and are Israel.

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He gave a "timeline" in his OP.

So I gave one back.

I agree with you. Both Jews and Gentiles who believe in Christ and OBEY the gospel are Christians and the "spiritual israel". Christians are the chosen people today. Not the physical Jewish nation. Jewish religion today by its very nature goes against Christs teaching.

David1954 said:

Everyone can see that rhern53 is on drugs.

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David1954 said:

Alert! Alert! Rhern53 is some kinda nut!

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Honestly I think this response is not really called for. If we are going to be honest with ourselves.

Can anyone even figure out what in heck rhern is even talking about? Is he tripping?

Acts 2:38 Fill us in.

David1954 said:

Acts 2:38 Fill us in.

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He's not the first person I heard this "two gospels" thing from. They think that one gospel was to Jews and one to Gentiles. Problem is, they have never given any defense for this reasoning other than claiming Paul was for ministering to Gentiles ONLY.

Problem with that claim also, is that God himself said in Acts 9
for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel

So Paul wasnt just for gentiles, but also kings and children of Israel. And so the "two gospel" premise crumbles even more

rhern53 said:

There is only one Gospel. But Peter was unable to accept the Gospel of Grace taught by Paul.

It was given to Paul
Acts 9 for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel

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No.
Matthew 16
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

20 Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.

Then Acts 2
36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

The word gospel means "good news" in the Greek. The "good news" is defined as 1 Corinthians 15:1-4

1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures

Judging by Matthew 16 and Acts 2, Acts 10 and 11, I strongly disagree with your stance about Peter.

Also, if you see Acts 9:15, Paul also ministered to Israelites and kings, not just gentiles.

There is now and always has been One Gospel unto salvation. People in the Old Testament had the prophets to tell them about a coming Messiah. They died still waiting for the promised Messiah.

The Messiah Did come -- the shed blood of Christ. God's one and only way for our salvation to take place. Either accept the shed blood of Jesus Christ on the cross, His death , burial and bodily resurrection from the dead on the 3rd day or reject that. People who were alive and watched it -- some accepted Him as Jesus, the Son of God and some didn't. And Now -- we look Back and either accept or reject. It's always been only one true Gospel unto salvation.

It was Peter who addressed the crowds in Acts 2.

It was also Peter who Did deny Christ those three times -- but obviously he had a change of heart. God used him in a mighty way and he also used Paul

All born-again believers are part of the Body of Christ / the Bride of Christ / the Church.

So - how did 'it' start? first with Adam and then Eve.

Then with Noah and his wife and sons and daughters-in-law.

And then with the cross of calvary.

Acts2:38 said:

No.
Matthew 16
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

20 Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.

Then Acts 2
36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

The word gospel means "good news" in the Greek. The "good news" is defined as 1 Corinthians 15:1-4

1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures

Judging by Matthew 16 and Acts 2, Acts 10 and 11, I strongly disagree with your stance about Peter.

Also, if you see Acts 9:15, Paul also ministered to Israelites and kings, not just gentiles.

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I agree: Also, if you see Acts 9:15, Paul also ministered to Israelites and kings, not just gentiles.

Why did Jesus command His disciples to stay away from gentiles?

Matthew 10:5-6 (NKJV)

5 These twelve Jesus sent out and commanded them, saying: “Do not go into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter a city of the Samaritans. 6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.


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rhern53 said:

Why did Jesus command His disciples to stay away from gentiles?

Matthew 10:5-6 (NKJV)

5 These twelve Jesus sent out and commanded them, saying: “Do not go into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter a city of the Samaritans. 6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

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Because it was offered "to the Jew first".
Romans 1
15 So, as much as in me is, I am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also.

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Peter gave it to the Jews first in Jerusalem in Acts 2. Eventually, it went to the Samaritans, and outward to the gentiles. Thats where Acts 10 comes in. Peter used the "keys" to "open" the kingdom for the gentiles (See Matthew 16:18-19 for "keys/opening").

It HAD to be Peter to open the kingdom up to the gentiles, because Peter was promised by Jesus in Matthew 16 that he would be the one to have the keys to do this. It wasnt till after Peter open the kingdom up to the gentiles that Paul came around ministering to them once he became a servant of our Lord and was ready to.

Acts2:38 said:

Because it was offered "to the Jew first".
Romans 1
15 So, as much as in me is, I am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also.

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Peter gave it to the Jews first in Jerusalem in Acts 2. Eventually, it went to the Samaritans, and outward to the gentiles. Thats where Acts 10 comes in. Peter used the "keys" to "open" the kingdom for the gentiles (See Matthew 16:18-19 for "keys/opening").

It HAD to be Peter to open the kingdom up to the gentiles, because Peter was promised by Jesus in Matthew 16 that he would be the one to have the keys to do this. It wasnt till after Peter open the kingdom up to the gentiles that Paul came around ministering to them once he became a servant of our Lord and was ready to.

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Peter was the Key yes, Keys for the Jews. The Jews were first Yes but the First will be Last and the last will be First.

Matthew 20:16 King James Version
16 So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.

Peter did not open the Kingdom to the Gentiles. This task was give By Jesus to Paul

Peter accepted the fact that God had given Paul wisdom which he(Peter) found very hard to understand.

Those who are unlearned and unstable will twist and spin these scriptures unknowingly because they don't understand them. This is not a personal attack, I'm simply addressing attention the last passage.

2nd Peter 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

(it sure Sounds like a personal attack) Just sayin........

rhern53 said:

The Jews were first Yes but the First will be Last and the last will be First.

Matthew 20:16 King James Version
16 So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen

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Wrong my friend. This is under a different context entirely. Not about Jews and gentiles that I mentioned. It is not relevant to the situation at hand.

rhern53 said:

Peter did not open the Kingdom to the Gentiles. This task was give By Jesus to Paul

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Yes, he did. Acts 10

Was it Peter speaking to Cornelius or was it Paul? Because thats when the kingdom was opened up to them. Which was clearly after Acts 2 had happened.

Sue D. said:

(it sure Sounds like a personal attack) Just sayin........

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rhern53 said:

Those who are unlearned and unstable will twist and spin these scriptures unknowingly because they don't understand them. This is not a personal attack, I'm simply addressing attention the last passage.

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Theres no harm done on me. I do not feel offended in any way. I am glad he is taking his time to discuss with me.

Acts2:38 said:

Wrong my friend. This is under a different context entirely. Not about Jews and gentiles that I mentioned. It is not relevant to the situation at hand.



Yes, he did. Acts 10

Was it Peter speaking to Cornelius or was it Paul? Because thats when the kingdom was opened up to them. Which was clearly after Acts 2 had happened.

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Peter dropped the Ball and left the gentiles High and Dry until Acts 15 The first passage says you must be circumcised in order to be saved.
It was years after the Cornelius incident. Remember Peter told Cornelius it was unlawful for a Jews to go to one of another nation. God had to push Peter to go visit Cornelius.

The church of Jerusalem continue to follow the Law. If you follow the Law, it cannot be Grace.

Acts 2 was For Law keeping Jews

rhern53 said:

Peter dropped the Ball and left the gentiles High and Dry until Acts 15 The first passage says you must be circumcised in order to be saved.
It was years after the Cornelius incident. Remember Peter told Cornelius it was unlawful for a Jews to go to one of another nation. God had to push Peter to go visit Cornelius

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You should read Acts 11.

Acts2:38 said:

You should read Acts 11.

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Do you mean Acts 11:19
19 Now they which were scattered abroad upon the persecution that arose about Stephen travelled as far as Phenice, and Cyprus, and Antioch, preaching the word to none but unto the Jews only.

Sue D. said:

(it sure Sounds like a personal attack) Just sayin........

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Sue, if you're trying to put out a fire, you don't throw gasoline into it.

rhern53 said:

Do you mean Acts 11:19
19 Now they which were scattered abroad upon the persecution that arose about Stephen travelled as far as Phenice, and Cyprus, and Antioch, preaching the word to none but unto the Jews only.

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If you keep cherry picking scripture, we wont get anywhere friend.

I mean this scripture that you must have come across.....

1 And the apostles and brethren that were in Judaea heard that the Gentiles had also received the word of God.

2 And when Peter was come up to Jerusalem, they that were of the circumcision contended with him,

3 Saying, Thou wentest in to men uncircumcised, and didst eat with them.

4 But Peter rehearsed the matter from the beginning, and expounded it by order unto them, saying,

5 I was in the city of Joppa praying: and in a trance I saw a vision, A certain vessel descend, as it had been a great sheet, let down from heaven by four corners; and it came even to me:

6 Upon the which when I had fastened mine eyes, I considered, and saw fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.

7 And I heard a voice saying unto me, Arise, Peter; slay and eat.

8 But I said, Not so, Lord: for nothing common or unclean hath at any time entered into my mouth.

9 But the voice answered me again from heaven, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

10 And this was done three times: and all were drawn up again into heaven.

11 And, behold, immediately there were three men already come unto the house where I was, sent from Caesarea unto me.

12 And the Spirit bade me go with them, nothing doubting. Moreover these six brethren accompanied me, and we entered into the man's house:

13 And he shewed us how he had seen an angel in his house, which stood and said unto him, Send men to Joppa, and call for Simon, whose surname is Peter;

14 Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved.

15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.

16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.

17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?

18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.