How did it start?

[rhern53]

God began with Adam and Eve

God then left man for 2000 years; lets see what they do.

After Noah, God calls Abram out of idolatry " leave your Father and come to a land that I will give you.

Then comes the covenant and the promise for the descendants, as numerous as the stars in the sky. He is now called Abraham.

The Israelites who worship the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob continue to create problems and be reestablished many times over.

They are the only chosen people of God after the flood in the Old Testament, But God's Word will not return to Him Void.

In other words, He Keeps His Promises for His Names sake and the Kingdom will come at the 2nd coming; and Christ the King will rule the whole earth from everlasting to everlasting.

Where do the Christians fit in?

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings,

Where do the Christians fit in?

But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into Him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: From Whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.
Ephesians 4:15=16

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He made us accepted in the Beloved.
Ephesians 1:3-6

For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

For the body is not one member, but many.
1Corinthians 12:12-14

Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
1Corinthians 12:27


Bless you ....><>

 

[Samson2020]

Romans 11:25 "For I would not, brethren that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel,
until the times of the gentiles be come .

26-And so ALL ISRAEL SHALL BE SAVED: as it is written, There shall come out of Zion the deliverer, and shall turn away all ungodliness from Jacob:

27-For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

28= As concerning the Gospel, they are enemies for your sakes; but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.

They (Israel) will be a big portion of the elect group during the second death. The First born sons of God or followers of Jesus Christ as a group are the deliverer that comes out of Zion.

Look up the verses concerning Zion as a woman in travail to bring forth her first child. That is the first death elect as a group. These are they along with the Lord Jesus Christ
who will have provoked Israel to jealousy when their eyes behold this group of first born sons.
Especially Jesus Christ.

I posted some of them in post #20 in What is the Gospel thread. verses concerning Zion as a woman in travail. Remember spiritual birth is required to see the Kingdom.
This is when we are changed and born into the kingdom, whilst in the body I am absent from the Lord..............

This is where the Christians fit in to begin with, then ALL will become followers of Jesus as Gods Gifts and callings are without repentance.
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the GIFT of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus our Lord.

Romans 5:17 not going to quote it but it says that because of what was done in the garden GOD DECREED ALL MEN WERE CONDEMNED, but because of what Jesus did the same ALL WERE JUSTIFIED UNTO LIFE.

Fits in with Rom 6:23, Think of it this way you know that you lived under condemnation until God had mercy on you though you wouldn't have believed it til the Bible showed it to you. This was by Gods decree (all considered under unbelief so that he might have mercy on all), so since without a doubt this decree governed your life for some period of years or decades, so also shall the other decree that out weighs the first belong to you. JUSTIFICATION UNTO LIFE-THE FREE GIFT OF GOD GIVEN WITHOUT REPENTANCE. And everyone that lived under condemnation has this promise and gift.

This is how the second death is used to reconcile Israel and a lot more. I've said this a few times before but I see 3 death periods in which other Elect will come to the Lord Jesus Christ. I'll stop there.

 

[David1954]

God began with Adam and Eve

God then left man for 2000 years; lets see what they do.

After Noah, God calls Abram out of idolatry " leave your Father and come to a land that I will give you.

Then comes the covenant and the promise for the descendants, as numerous as the stars in the sky. He is now called Abraham.

The Israelites who worship the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob continue to create problems and be reestablished many times over.

They are the only chosen people of God after the flood in the Old Testament, But God's Word will not return to Him Void.

In other words, He Keeps His Promises for His Names sake and the Kingdom will come at the 2nd coming; and Christ the King will rule the whole earth from everlasting to everlasting.

Where do the Christians fit in?

The Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world.

The creation has been about nothing but Christians, ever.

 

[rhern53]

The Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world.

The creation has been about nothing but Christians, ever.

I believe you are confused. I will be happy to teach you the reality of the Word of God.

John 1 King James Version (KJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

God began with Adam and Eve

God then left man for 2000 years; lets see what they do.

After Noah, God calls Abram out of idolatry " leave your Father and come to a land that I will give you.

Then comes the covenant and the promise for the descendants, as numerous as the stars in the sky. He is now called Abraham.

The Israelites who worship the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob continue to create problems and be reestablished many times over.

They are the only chosen people of God after the flood in the Old Testament, But God's Word will not return to Him Void.

In other words, He Keeps His Promises for His Names sake and the Kingdom will come at the 2nd coming; and Christ the King will rule the whole earth from everlasting to everlasting.

The Christians were from the Grace period. Jesus became the perfect sacrifice for the sin of the world. In order to be saved from the wrath of God, one must except and live by this gift.

Let me know if you need some help.

 

[David1954]

I believe you are confused. I will be happy to teach you the reality of the Word of God.

John 1 King James Version (KJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

God began with Adam and Eve

God then left man for 2000 years; lets see what they do.

After Noah, God calls Abram out of idolatry " leave your Father and come to a land that I will give you.

Then comes the covenant and the promise for the descendants, as numerous as the stars in the sky. He is now called Abraham.

The Israelites who worship the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob continue to create problems and be reestablished many times over.

They are the only chosen people of God after the flood in the Old Testament, But God's Word will not return to Him Void.

In other words, He Keeps His Promises for His Names sake and the Kingdom will come at the 2nd coming; and Christ the King will rule the whole earth from everlasting to everlasting.

The Christians were from the Grace period. Jesus became the perfect sacrifice for the sin of the world. In order to be saved from the wrath of God, one must except and live by this gift.

Let me know if you need some help.

No, no, no.

From the beginning to the end is all about Jesus.

Jewish and Gentile believers are all Christians, and are all Israel.

 

[rhern53]

No, no, no.

From the beginning to the end is all about Jesus.

Jewish and Gentile believers are all Christians, and are all Israel.

You cannot use your own ideas if they are not biblical.

Christians did not exist before the resurrection.

Cannot mix Law and Grace.

Explain with scripture.

 

[David1954]

You cannot use your own ideas if they are not biblical.

Christians did not exist before the resurrection.

Cannot mix Law and Grace.

Explain with scripture.

Um...wat?

 

[David1954]

rhern53

If you have anything sensible to say, you have our attention.

 

[rhern53]

rhern53

If you have anything sensible to say, you have our attention.

Galatians 2:7 New King James Version (NKJV)
7 But on the contrary, when they saw that the gospel for the uncircumcised had been committed to me, as the gospel for the circumcised was to Peter

 

[David1954]

Galatians 2:7 New King James Version (NKJV)
7 But on the contrary, when they saw that the gospel for the uncircumcised had been committed to me, as the gospel for the circumcised was to Peter

Dude. They preached the same thing. To different audiences. What are you talking about?! Have you ever been treated for any mental disorder?

 

[rhern53]

rhern53

If you have anything sensible to say, you have our attention.

The scripture says it all, one gospel for Jews and one Gospel for gentiles...


Galatians 2:7 New King James Version (NKJV)
7 But on the contrary, when they saw that the gospel for the uncircumcised had been committed to me, as the gospel for the circumcised was to Peter
https://www.talkjesus.com/posts/351268/edit

 

[David1954]

The scripture says it all, one gospel for Jews and one Gospel for gentiles...


Galatians 2:7 New King James Version (NKJV)
7 But on the contrary, when they saw that the gospel for the uncircumcised had been committed to me, as the gospel for the circumcised was to Peter
https://www.talkjesus.com/posts/351268/edit

You are entirely miscomprehending.

But you choose to have some insane disagreement with me.

 

[David1954]

The scripture says it all, one gospel for Jews and one Gospel for gentiles...


Galatians 2:7 New King James Version (NKJV)
7 But on the contrary, when they saw that the gospel for the uncircumcised had been committed to me, as the gospel for the circumcised was to Peter
https://www.talkjesus.com/posts/351268/edit

Alert! Alert! Rhern53 is some kinda nut!

 

[David1954]

Do all of you agree with me that it started when the Lamb was slain?

 

[David1954]

Everyone can see that rhern53 is on drugs.

 

[David1954]

But I love him!

 

[Acts2:38]

God began with Adam and Eve

God then left man for 2000 years; lets see what they do.

After Noah, God calls Abram out of idolatry " leave your Father and come to a land that I will give you.

Then comes the covenant and the promise for the descendants, as numerous as the stars in the sky. He is now called Abraham.

The Israelites who worship the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob continue to create problems and be reestablished many times over.

They are the only chosen people of God after the flood in the Old Testament, But God's Word will not return to Him Void.

In other words, He Keeps His Promises for His Names sake and the Kingdom will come at the 2nd coming; and Christ the King will rule the whole earth from everlasting to everlasting.

Where do the Christians fit in?

To sum it up as you did, I would say:

Adam and Eve

Their fall

The prophecy of Christ throughout the entire OT starting from Genesis 3:15 which leads to many events happening
like:
Choosing of Abraham (Abram)
Isaac, Jacob and all the way down through to David
which entails God's chosen Israelites

They continually fall away and come back again and again throughout Judges God warns them about kings

Even when they were united, the transgressions done lead them to the divided kingdom

God has enough and scatters them for their continued transgressions Northern kingdom first with the Assyrians, then Judah with the Babylonians. The prophets from the divided kingdom era to the last Malachi prophecy Christ and the punishment delivered unto them for their sins

Christ comes just as promised in the OT

He teaches a new way and there is a transition period until Christs death, burial and resurrection

Then enters the Christian age and Christs church/kingdom starting in Acts 2 "to the Jew first" and then opening up for the gentiles in Acts 10

Jews are no longer the designated chosen ones, but all who become Christians are the chosen ones now with the new covenant

Special note:
The kingdom is already here. It is Christ elect (Christians) who are in that kingdom. It is not of this world. Else how could Paul say "we are translated into the kingdom"(past/present tense) in Colossians 1 and John say that he is brother with everyone in the Kingdom (past/present tense) in Revelation 1.

Make no mistake the kingdom is here already and has been since Acts 2. Since Jesus promised Peter would be the one to open it in Matthew 16.

The next time Jesus comes, this world is finished 2 Peter 3:10
10But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar, the elements will be dissolved in the fire, and the earth and its works will not be found.

No earthly physical kingdom, sorry.

 

[David1954]

To sum it up as you did, I would say:

Adam and Eve

Their fall

The prophecy of Christ throughout the entire OT starting from Genesis 3:15 which leads to many events happening
like:
Choosing of Abraham (Abram)
Isaac, Jacob and all the way down through to David
which entails God's chosen Israelites

They continually fall away and come back again and again throughout Judges God warns them about kings

Even when they were united, the transgressions done lead them to the divided kingdom

God has enough and scatters them for their continued transgressions Northern kingdom first with the Assyrians, then Judah with the Babylonians. The prophets from the divided kingdom era to the last Malachi prophecy Christ and the punishment delivered unto them for their sins

Christ comes just as promised in the OT

He teaches a new way and there is a transition period until Christs death, burial and resurrection

Then enters the Christian age and Christs church/kingdom starting in Acts 2 "to the Jew first" and then opening up for the gentiles in Acts 10

Jews are no longer the designated chosen ones, but all who become Christians are the chosen ones now with the new covenant

Special note:
The kingdom is already here. It is Christ elect (Christians) who are in that kingdom. It is not of this world. Else how could Paul say "we are translated into the kingdom"(past/present tense) in Colossians 1 and John say that he is brother with everyone in the Kingdom (past/present tense) in Revelation 1.

Make no mistake the kingdom is here already and has been since Acts 2. Since Jesus promised Peter would be the one to open it in Matthew 16.

The next time Jesus comes, this world is finished 2 Peter 3:10
10But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar, the elements will be dissolved in the fire, and the earth and its works will not be found.

No earthly physical kingdom, sorry.

So, I don't know what you're saying. Jews and gentiles who believe are Christians, and are Israel.

 

[Acts2:38]

The scripture says it all, one gospel for Jews and one Gospel for gentiles...


Galatians 2:7 New King James Version (NKJV)
7 But on the contrary, when they saw that the gospel for the uncircumcised had been committed to me, as the gospel for the circumcised was to Peter
https://www.talkjesus.com/posts/351268/edit

There is not two separate gospels.

The word gospel means "the good news" in Greek. Also, a definition of the "good news" is defined here in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. The good news is that Christ died, was buried, and rose again. And there were many witnesses.

So if you can tell me what the second gospel is, please do, because this is new to my ears.

You know, You completely missed Galatians 1:6-10 I believe. There is only one gospel.