can you say me it

That Jesus didn't die on the Cross.

does any other book other then the bible actually have Prophecy in it? that comes true

Probably the most constructive approach is to look at the way the Qur'an misunderstands christianity


Sura 5:116 denies that God is three, but talks of Jesus and Mary alongside God.

From there, you might have an opportunity to discuss what the Bible really teaches. Remember that Muslims honour Jesus as a prophet.

Hekuran said:

Probably the most constructive approach is to look at the way the Qur'an misunderstands christianity

Surah Al-Ma'idah - 116-118 - Quran.com

(116) And ˹on Judgment Day˺ Allah will say, “O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you ever ask the people to worship you and your mother as gods besides Allah?” ...

quran.com

Sura 5:116 denies that God is three, but talks of Jesus and Mary alongside God.

From there, you might have an opportunity to discuss what the Bible really teaches. Remember that Muslims honour Jesus as a prophet.

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muslims do not honor Jesus Christ...period. To say Christ is nothing more than a 'prophet' is not honoring Jesus Christ. Forget about trying to build some cute stepping stones with muslims. To do so is a disgrace to Jesus Christ.

Quantrill

Factually wrong. Muslims do honour Jesus.

And the fact that they do is a great foundation for evangelism.

Hekuran said:

Factually wrong. Muslims do honour Jesus.

And the fact that they do is a great foundation for evangelism.

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I get where you are coming from Brother. Yet, you'd have to move them away from the Jesus they believe He is. To the one that He is!
Not an easy task to do online. I've been blocked by an Administrator for doing so.

However, I agree that in person this might be an entry point for evangelism.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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Fair point. All the Muslims I know or know of that have turned to Christ have gone do either as a result of direct revelation (such as Jesus or an angel visiting in a dream or vision) or from experiencing love and grace from Christians. I don't know of any one who has first been persuaded by reason that Jesus is Lord.

Anyway, I'd always be wanting to talk about who Jesus is.

Hekuran said:

Factually wrong. Muslims do honour Jesus.

And the fact that they do is a great foundation for evangelism.

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Sorry...factually right. muslims do nothing but dishonor Jesus Christ. And you do not create a foundation or stepping stone by dishonoring Christ first. Ridiculous.

Quantrill

Quantrill said:

Sorry...factually right. muslims do nothing but dishonor Jesus Christ. And you do not create a foundation or stepping stone by dishonoring Christ first. Ridiculous.

Quantrill

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Hello Brother,
I guess it would be better said is "they believe they are honoring Jesus".
As far as a foundation? Yes, for evangelism. Why? Because the resurrection is what seals the Gospel! Not the resurrection of another man, not the non-death of Jesus. Just simply, He died on the Cross and has Risen!!
This subject is what separates us from all other religions. A Risen Christ!

We present it. Now they may not believe it, trash it, but regardless, it will be the Holy Spirit that will draw them to this truth of a Resurrected Christ. Otherwise, like Paul said,
"If the dead do not rise, “Let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we die! "

So, what better way to communicate what completes the Gospel, but to ask them. "You believe in the resurrection of the dead? Right?" "So, who confirms this to you?" Now as Brother Hekuran has stated. He knows of no one that has been persuaded to come to Christ by reason, but I see no reason why the words we us, can't be the ones to open the little faith they have to believe the truth of the Word of God. For again as Paul has said "So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. "

Difficult, but when hasn't living for our Lord, and presenting it to an unbeliever not be at times a hard task? I like to call it a labor of love. So, let's labor on.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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Christ4Ever said:

Hello Brother,
I guess it would be better said is "they believe they are honoring Jesus".
As far as a foundation? Yes, for evangelism. Why? Because the resurrection is what seals the Gospel! Not the resurrection of another man, not the non-death of Jesus. Just simply, He died on the Cross and has Risen!!
This subject is what separates us from all other religions. A Risen Christ!

We present it. Now they may not believe it, trash it, but regardless, it will be the Holy Spirit that will draw them to this truth of a Resurrected Christ. Otherwise, like Paul said,
"If the dead do not rise, “Let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we die! "

So, what better way to communicate what completes the Gospel, but to ask them. "You believe in the resurrection of the dead? Right?" "So, who confirms this to you?" Now as Brother Hekuran has stated. He knows of no one that has been persuaded to come to Christ by reason, but I see no reason why the words we us, can't be the ones to open the little faith they have to believe the truth of the Word of God. For again as Paul has said "So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. "

Difficult, but when hasn't living for our Lord, and presenting it to an unbeliever not be at times a hard task? I like to call it a labor of love. So, let's labor on.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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Labor on but don't be blind. There is 'no' stepping stone to create an evangelistic message for islam. It is completely antagonistic to God and Jesus Christ. Read the article by Don Richardson who wrote the book 'Peace Child'. He stated clearly there was no 'peace child' for islam. And he is 100% right.

Quantrill

Quantrill said:

Labor on but don't be blind. There is 'no' stepping stone to create an evangelistic message for islam. It is completely antagonistic to God and Jesus Christ. Read the article by Don Richardson who wrote the book 'Peace Child'. He stated clearly there was no 'peace child' for islam. And he is 100% right.

Quantrill

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Dear Brother,
Not blind brother. I just won't assume that they cannot be Saved.

I'm not dealing with Islam, but the individual affected by it. Yes, there are radicals who would just as soon slit your throat from ear to ear, but there are many more who would not. One can't change that religion, but you can be the vehicle by which the Holy Spirit may touch an individual who is under the influence of said religion. There are enough, though not near enough, testimonies of those who were Muslim, but have come to believe in Jesus Christ as their Lord & Savior. We can assume nothing when we are talking to individuals. Don't assume that they even know about a Risen Christ, that Jesus is God Incarnate, Redeemer, etc. Things that we as believers take for granted and assume that everybody already knows.

Most especially we don't argue the Koran, we present to them Jesus the Christ! The one they've probably have never heard the truth of.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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And that's what I've been told, too. Present the Truth / God's Word. The resurrected Jesus Christ.

Everyone has a soul that needs Christ.

Christ4Ever said:

Dear Brother,
Not blind brother. I just won't assume that they cannot be Saved.

I'm not dealing with Islam, but the individual affected by it. Yes, there are radicals who would just as soon slit your throat from ear to ear, but there are many more who would not. One can't change that religion, but you can be the vehicle by which the Holy Spirit may touch an individual who is under the influence of said religion. There are enough, though not near enough, testimonies of those who were Muslim, but have come to believe in Jesus Christ as their Lord & Savior. We can assume nothing when we are talking to individuals. Don't assume that they even know about a Risen Christ, that Jesus is God Incarnate, Redeemer, etc. Things that we as believers take for granted and assume that everybody already knows.

Most especially we don't argue the Koran, we present to them Jesus the Christ! The one they've probably have never heard the truth of.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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Yes, of course they can be saved. They are saved by giving them the Gospel and declaring to them Jesus Christ. My point, is that you cannot use islam as a tool or a stepping stone to lead the muslim to Christ.

Quantrill

Hekuran said:

Probably the most constructive approach is to look at the way the Qur'an misunderstands christianity

Surah Al-Ma'idah - 116-118 - Quran.com

(116) And ˹on Judgment Day˺ Allah will say, “O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you ever ask the people to worship you and your mother as gods besides Allah?” ...

quran.com

Sura 5:116 denies that God is three, but talks of Jesus and Mary alongside God.

From there, you might have an opportunity to discuss what the Bible really teaches. Remember that Muslims honour Jesus as a prophet.

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So true brother

But, a lesser prophet than mohamed

Christ4Ever said:

Hello Brother,
I guess it would be better said is "they believe they are honoring Jesus".
As far as a foundation? Yes, for evangelism. Why? Because the resurrection is what seals the Gospel! Not the resurrection of another man, not the non-death of Jesus. Just simply, He died on the Cross and has Risen!!
This subject is what separates us from all other religions. A Risen Christ!

We present it. Now they may not believe it, trash it, but regardless, it will be the Holy Spirit that will draw them to this truth of a Resurrected Christ. Otherwise, like Paul said,
"If the dead do not rise, “Let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we die! "

So, what better way to communicate what completes the Gospel, but to ask them. "You believe in the resurrection of the dead? Right?" "So, who confirms this to you?" Now as Brother Hekuran has stated. He knows of no one that has been persuaded to come to Christ by reason, but I see no reason why the words we us, can't be the ones to open the little faith they have to believe the truth of the Word of God. For again as Paul has said "So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. "

Difficult, but when hasn't living for our Lord, and presenting it to an unbeliever not be at times a hard task? I like to call it a labor of love. So, let's labor on.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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Our words are seeds, sometimes good seeds, sometimes bad seeds, but as you say brother The Holy Spirit does the work.

I think it is another one to not rush into but ask, What would Jesus do, What would Jesus say.

Religion is most often practiced behind closed doors.

Some Christian places of worship also fall into this category, sadly.

Jesus taught in the Temple, but the rest of His time in Ministry was outside the Temple wall, in the streets, by the lake, in the country, facing attacks from the devil daily, but never sinning, just preaching, teaching, praying and healing, teaching us all by example. Thanks be to our Lord Jesus Christ. Amen

What Muslims believe

Allah is One
The absolute Oneness of Allah is primary to Muslims. The greatest sin is to associate any partner with Him. This sin is called shirk. Muhammad's message advocating one God was courageous because idolatry was the established religion of Arabia. Muhammad challenged this system and finally prevailed with the message of monotheism. Islam is rooted in this commitment to the belief in one God.

Allah Cannot be Compared
Allah is transcendent and cannot be compared to humans or any other created thing. Allah's character and attributes are revealed through His 99 Arabic names, the two most common being "The Merciful" and "The Compassionate." Allah is never described in Islam by using human family terms such as "father" or "son." In the Quran he reveals his will for mankind to obey, not his person for mankind to relate with and know.

Allah's Ultimate Attribute: His Will
Allah creates and sustains all life, spiritual and material. His will is absolute and cannot be questioned by his creation. He is our final judge without a mediator. The best chance on Judgment Day is for those who live lives of righteousness and submission to Allah's will—Insha Allah (God willing).

Compare this What Christians believe

God: A Unity, not a Unit
The Bible teaches that God is One, but He is a complex unity, not just a simple unit. He is completely unique, a personal God who existed in relationship from eternity.

God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit
Scriptures reveal God as the ultimate Father, in name, character, and person, but always as the Creator, never with sexual references. God also reveals Himself as the Eternal Word, who became flesh when the Holy Spirit overshadowed the Virgin Mary and conceived Jesus, the Messiah, who is also called the Son of God in the Bible. In His teaching, Jesus further reveals God the Holy Spirit, who was sent by the Father and Himself. The Bible presents a mystery of three persons revealed as one God. Although the word "Trinity" is not in the Bible, the term captures Bible truths about God. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are God, not just three parts of God or three names for the same person. God reveals Himself as a Tri-Unity.

God's Ultimate Attribute: His Love
The Bible says, "God is Love." This love existed from eternity as the Father loved the Son even before the foundation of the world. God's love is expressed through creation. God does not simply choose to love; His Love chooses to act. "God so loved the world that He gave His Son..." (John 3:16)

Islam and Christianity

@saintman
Greetings,

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yes.
God has sent His Son. This is perhaps the biggest hurdle, not only for Moslems, but for nearly all, if not all, who reject the Gospel. It is also the biggest slap in the face to God the devil tries on.

Muslems do not accept that God has a Son. Therefore they reject Jesus as being His Son, as do the Jews.
All the other things they do or don't do pale in significance but are also a result of not believing in the only begotten Son of God.

as for the title to your thread, 'proving the quran wrong', that is pointless. I have known some who have dedicated years to doing so, as they needed that long, but most are not interested in such a huge work and some get quite (extremely) agitated with the resulting expose of the wrong.

So, as others here have said/written, only the truth will set them free and the truth is not about proving wrong but proving that which is right. His name is Jesus Christ, the Son and Lamb of God.


Bless you ....><>