Why is divorce unchristian?

[SpiritLedEd]

I must admit that I've not thoroughly read all the posts in this thread, however, I'd like to offer a comment or two:

The first marriage (Adam & Eve) was totally orchestrated by God and when Adam laid eyes upon Eve, he fell in love with her ("This is now bone of my bone and flesh of my flesh" - Gen2:23). It seems to me, then, that it is God's will that every marriage be orchestrated by Him. But, in actual practice in today's world, that just isn't so.

Marriages today, in some societies, are arranged by the parents and God has no role. Also, marriages are based on sexual prowess, financial convenience, peer pressure, and I could probably come up with more examples if I had the time.

My point is this: while marriage was instituted by God and is sacred, the institution of marriage has been profaned by the world with the result that most marriages today simply are not of God. They were orchestrated by human beings based solely on worldly desires - no matter how altruistic those desires might be - and, if God is involved at all, it is only to rubber stamp what man has put together.

I have a close friend who is a 40 year old single (never married) man. While he is anxious to find a wife, he is praying and patiently waiting on the Lord to show him the woman He has intended for him. It has not been easy for my friend. He struggles with loneliness a lot. But, he is sticking to dependence upon God's guidance and I am certain that when the time is right, my friend will be united with the woman God has appointed for him to marry. And that marriage will indeed have been "made in heaven".

SLE

 

[Maureen]

Oh Ria
I have each note marke from day one, ABCDEFG all 36 of them, and colour coded, have even wrote out words and notes of songs that I did from just listening and finding the right note for each word.
But the head can't remember them, and I'm so slow reading them from the book I've written them into.

thank you for trying to help me, I think I've not got what is needed.

I used to play the button keyed accordian when I was a child and was good at it, could make up my own songs and find the notes and learn them, but I was Child, the brain was very young, it's slowed down much, they say it's easier when your young, it is.

Perhaps I should have bought a button keyed accordian instead of a keyboard, when I siad this to my husband he said to take a run and a jump. oh oh.

 

[Uncle Steve]

Divorse is not unchristian

Divorse maybe unGODly, but our nature is also against GOD. So if we marry, which is a HOLY commitment, than we find JESUS...of course we should stay married, try & show our spouse & children the love that GOD has shown to us ect...but if satan has a strong hold on your signficant other, than you must separate your self for the glory of GOD. By staying in a relationship that does not glorify GOD would be an example to the world how Christianity can make a family miserable ect...But by no means is divorse unchristian. Actually, being under the new covenant, it is Christian. It's the old letter of the law, where death was the punishment for disobedience against your husband, or if your husband was caught fornicating with another he could be stoned.

 

[foc]

I must admit that I've not thoroughly read all the posts in this thread, however, I'd like to offer a comment or two:

The first marriage (Adam & Eve) was totally orchestrated by God and when Adam laid eyes upon Eve, he fell in love with her ("This is now bone of my bone and flesh of my flesh" - Gen2:23). It seems to me, then, that it is God's will that every marriage be orchestrated by Him. But, in actual practice in today's world, that just isn't so.

Marriages today, in some societies, are arranged by the parents and God has no role. Also, marriages are based on sexual prowess, financial convenience, peer pressure, and I could probably come up with more examples if I had the time.

My point is this: while marriage was instituted by God and is sacred, the institution of marriage has been profaned by the world with the result that most marriages today simply are not of God. They were orchestrated by human beings based solely on worldly desires - no matter how altruistic those desires might be - and, if God is involved at all, it is only to rubber stamp what man has put together.

Amen.
I wish Id waited on the Lord instead of pushing to marry whomever I decided to myself.

I have a close friend who is a 40 year old single (never married) man. While he is anxious to find a wife, he is praying and patiently waiting on the Lord to show him the woman He has intended for him. It has not been easy for my friend. He struggles with loneliness a lot. But, he is sticking to dependence upon God's guidance and I am certain that when the time is right, my friend will be united with the woman God has appointed for him to marry. And that marriage will indeed have been "made in heaven".

SLE

Tell him to wait it out. If he has prayed about it the Lord will show him whom it is when the time is right.

 

[arunangelo]

Can I ask why you are cutting and pasting your responses over many different forums ? Ive seen this same response on a couple different forums, I believe.

Concerning your post tho..

God was faithful to Israel...and He was faithful to END the covenant given to her thru the prophet Moses over her whoredoms.

Jesus Christ is faithful to His church....and He is faithful to put those who apostate against that covenant in Hell.

Jesus was FAITHFUL to His disciples...and He was FAITHFUL to condemn the one who was so close to Him and yet betrayed Him.

So it seems that you preach ONE side of faithfulness while rejecting the other side of it.

Faithfulness is not just about being oblivious to someone sin, it is also being FAITHFUL to carry out appropriate action when those actions are called for.

Jesus did not come to condemn the world, He came to save the world. Our sins condemn us, not God

 

[foc]

Jesus did not come to condemn the world, He came to save the world. Our sins condemn us, not God

Youre posts are becoming more and more unrelated to the thread topic, poster.

this is the greek word 'condemn'

G2920
κρίσις
krisis
kree'-sis
(Subjectively or objectively, for or against); by extension a tribunal; by implication justice (specifically divine law): - accusation, condemnation, damnation, judgment.

Are you claiming that Jesus is NOT Judge who will carry out final justice ?

Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

And these shall go away into everlasting punishment

: but the righteous into life eternal.
(Mat 25:45-46 KJV)

Israel played the harlot and she was judged for her whoredoms. There is no semantics game that will get around that fact.

Secondly, that Jesus came to save the world does NOT mean that those who apostatize themselves from His covenant will escape condemnation.
Or are you saying that Jesus will save EVERYONE regardless of whether or not they come to Him under this covenant and regardless of whether commit apostasy which scripture shows that there is no return from ?

What I see here is that you are presenting PART of the details, ones that you believe might back your claims or distract from the whole truth, but not giving the COMPLETE picture from Gods word.
That and a bit of a semantics game where 'condemned' and 'judged' are going to be picked apart.
I think any reader could have read my post that you quoted and figured out what the intent was. Of course sins are why we are 'condemned'. That doesnt mean that our Judge is not going to 'condemn' many to hell and fire who reject His blood sacrifice for sins...either never coming to it to begin with...or committing treachery against Him AFTER having come to Him and being under the blood of His covenant.

If we are going to discuss this, lets at least remain somewhat intellectual and not play on semantics to just try to win a discussion.

 

[arunangelo]

Youre posts are becoming more and more unrelated to the thread topic, poster.

this is the greek word 'condemn'


Are you claiming that Jesus is NOT Judge who will carry out final justice ?


Israel played the harlot and she was judged for her whoredoms. There is no semantics game that will get around that fact.

Secondly, that Jesus came to save the world does NOT mean that those who apostatize themselves from His covenant will escape condemnation.
Or are you saying that Jesus will save EVERYONE regardless of whether or not they come to Him under this covenant and regardless of whether commit apostasy which scripture shows that there is no return from ?

What I see here is that you are presenting PART of the details, ones that you believe might back your claims or distract from the whole truth, but not giving the COMPLETE picture from Gods word.
That and a bit of a semantics game where 'condemned' and 'judged' are going to be picked apart.
I think any reader could have read my post that you quoted and figured out what the intent was. Of course sins are why we are 'condemned'. That doesnt mean that our Judge is not going to 'condemn' many to hell and fire who reject His blood sacrifice for sins...either never coming to it to begin with...or committing treachery against Him AFTER having come to Him and being under the blood of His covenant.

If we are going to discuss this, lets at least remain somewhat intellectual and not play on semantics to just try to win a discussion.

We must be good, because we love God and because we Fear condemnation. Therefore, the central theme of Gospels are love, forgiveness and fidelity.

 

[foc]

We must be good, because we love God and because we Fear condemnation. Therefore, the central theme of Gospels are love, forgiveness and fidelity.

This has nothing to do with the topic of this thread which we are steering away from with every post.

Unless you can somehow find a way to connect what you are saying here to that topic, Im probably going to just ignore the rest of your posts.
Im interested in the actual topic of this thread, nothing else.

But you ARE ignoring another part of the 'theme' the gospel presents all thru the NT and that is judgment.
Judgment that includes punishment for sin.
Adultery is to the marriage covenant what apostasy is to God's covenant.

 

[Maureen]

Faithfulness is not just about being oblivious to someone sin, it is also being FAITHFUL to carry out appropriate action when those actions are called for.

Oh I have been through much discussion on these very words, and how so much are they right in the eyes of a Holy God?

'carry out appropraite action' Hallelujah
I do, and always will, in the name of Jesus, take my stand for Him, because He is worthy the Lamb who was slain.

thank you for this conformation.

 

[Maureen]

But you ARE ignoring another part of the 'theme' the gospel presents all thru the NT and that is judgment.
Judgment that includes punishment for sin.
Adultery is to the marriage covenant what apostasy is to God's covenant.

again, well spoken.
so true.

Adultery is something horendous, I know, I forgave, and I praise God it never happened again, in 21 years, never again.
Thank you Jesus for watching over me.

 

[foc]

We must be good, because we love God and because we Fear condemnation. Therefore, the central theme of Gospels are love, forgiveness and fidelity.

Id like to hit on arunangelos points again. I hope that its not derailing this thread.

He seems to be of the opinion that in the New Covenant that its all about love and forgiveness.

Tell me arunangelo, how does this couple and their very severe and immediate punishment fit into your belief system ?

But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession, And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet. But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God. And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things. And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him. And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in. And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much? And she said, Yea, for so much. Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out. Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband. And great fear came upon all the church, and upon as many as heard these things.
(Act 5:1-11 KJV)

One simple little lie that 'could' have been forgiven by the Lord and yet these two people died flat out without even a chance to repent of this sin.
Peter 'could' have pointed out their wrong and then allowed them a chance to become sorry for it, but instead immediate death was required of the two of them.

How exactly, arunangelo, does this case fit into your theological viewpoint ?
Based on my previous posts pointing out Gods faithfulness and what it is in whole, Id think its not too hard to figure out my thoughts on the matter.

How about you....would you care to give us an analysis of the situation above showing us how love and forgiveness come into play ?

 

[Maureen]

Ephesians 4: 29-32
29Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.

30And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

31Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:

32And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.


Oh dear Lord, keep us from grieving thy Holy Spirit.
May we always be aware of our speech, may thy Holy Spirit convict us even before it might take place. Amen

 

[SpiritLedEd]

The topic of this thread is "Why is divorce unChristian" You folks seem to have drifted off topic. Please get back to the topic.

SLE

 

[Maureen]

Sorry about that Ed
I was just relating to the Holy Spirit, which by reading the last post, just reminded me how important His job is.

but in saying so, I do believe we do need to be aware of our speech, at all times and in marraige. I guess this is what I was really relating to,
I have had to remind myself time and time again,
A soft answer turneth away wrath, but grieious words stir up anger.

Forgive, please.
if this isn't really directly related to Why Divorce is unChristian.