be won by the conversation of the wives
we have to win them over by OUR conversation, not go along with their evil ways.
When I first got saved, when the phone rang my husband would say 'if that's for me say I'm not in' therefore my life would have been no differant as to living in the world I had just came from, so why would I have got saved if my ways were not going to change, so now your telling me that I should have willingly told deliberate lies and abeyed his way, when God says we are not to tell lies, it is a commandment, therefore I would have been disobeying God to obey Satan.
I cannot agree with you at all, I do believe we are to walk with the Lord and how can we do that if we are obeying our unsaved husband who walks with satan?
If our ways don't show any differance from that of the world in which we did live, then Christ has not done a finished work of grace on us, or we haven't yeilded all to Him totally.
2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
'ALL THINGS ARE BECOME NEW':
how can this be if we are still carrying on as if we hadn't been saved, going along with the plans of satan.
I think you've really got this out of context, how are we to win them over if we don't show him the ways of Jesus?
They won't know if we don't show them, we MUST walk in the Spirit and the Holy Spirit cannot tell lies.
This verse is saying 'WIN THEM OVER' how can that be possible if we are just doing as they are, we must DOfor Jesus, it's an action word.
I pray you, read the verse again with the guidence of the Holy Spirit.
'We are responsible to obey God no matter how others are'.
these are your own words, yes I agree.
The first Commandment tells us that, but we only can with a true heart when we are saved, He requires to be worshiped in truth and in spirit.
I read one time about a boss had asked his employee to do something which she knew was wrong, the employee was a Christian, the boss not, did she do it, no she didn't, because she knew it was illegal and therefore against God, she was prepared to loose her job, but did she, no, but she won her boss over, BY HER WAYS. The woman was Joyce Meyers.
Let us be calm and peaceable and look at the word of God here and seek what it says, not what seems right unto us.- I am not going to go into joyce meyers except to say that your own words revealed the truth of the situation above when you said -BY HER WAYS-
Now joyce meyers is not our example the word of God is, and the women in the word of God are, all other women must be held to that word, regardless of how situations in the world *appear* to have worked out. We should remember that God can use ANYTHING to win people to Christ, even a rebellious person, or an unbeliever for that matter, that does not mean that persons behavior was correct. From there let us look at the word of God, we will start with the verse already in question here.
1Pe 3:1 ¶ Likewise, ye wives, [be] in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives .
the word for *subjection* here is
hypotassō (Strong's G5293
1) to arrange under, to subordinate
2) to subject, put in subjection
3) to subject one's self, obey
4) to submit to one's control
5) to yield to one's admonition or advice
6) to obey, be subject
the word * conversation* here is
anastrophē (Strong's G391
1) manner of life, conduct, behaviour, deportment.
we see by these words that wives are to submit (to ones conrol,yield, obey,subject yourself,be subordinate to)
your own husband that if he obey NOT the word( now we are being told to obey husbands who do not obey the word, surely God knows that means these husbands are not godly and do not lead us in godliness)
that they may be won with our chaste conversation(manner of life, conduct, behavior*not with out words we see but our example of obeying*)
coupled with fear( we obey them because we fear the Lord and this is what we are told that our obedience shows them is our fear of God, not worldliness in us.)
now lets look at the whole context of this chapter to see what fits.
1Pe 3:1 ¶ Likewise, ye wives, [be] in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives 1Pe 3:2 While they behold your chaste conversation [coupled] with fear. 1Pe 3:3 Whose adorning let it not be that outward [adorning] of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel; 1Pe 3:4 But [let it be] the
hidden man of the heart, in that
which is not corruptible, [even the ornament]
of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price. 1Pe 3:5 For after this manner in the old time the holy women also,
who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands: 1Pe 3:6 Even as
Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well,
and are not afraid with any amazement.
Now we are to be daughters of sarah. Lets look at an example of how sarah obeyed abraham and was not afraid with any amazement.
Gen 12:13
Say, I pray thee, thou [art] my sister: that it may be well with me for thy sake; and my soul shall live because of thee. Gen 12:14 ¶ And it came to pass, that, when Abram was come into Egypt, the Egyptians beheld the woman that she [was] very fair. The princes also of Pharaoh saw her, and commended her before Pharaoh: and the woman was taken into Pharaoh's house And he entreated Abram well for her sake: and he had sheep, and oxen, and he *****, and menservants, and maidservants, and she *****, and camels And the LORD plagued Pharaoh and his house with great plagues because of Sarai Abram's wife
Now here abraham asked sarah to lie and she did. and God delivered her and she is not said to have had fear here. Because God delivers.Abraham was in fear instead of faith and asked her to lie.
But if you were in this situation, you believe you should have refused to lie and not obey your husband so you could teach him by your words instead of quiet meekness and obedience and fear of God.
Then it happened again!
Gen 20:1 ¶ And Abraham journeyed from thence toward the south country, and dwelled between Kadesh and Shur, and sojourned in Gerar Gen 20:2 And Abraham said of Sarah his wife, She [is] my sister: and Abimelech king of Gerar sent, and took Sarah Gen 20:3 But God came to Abimelech in a dream by night, and said to him, Behold, thou [art but] a dead man, for the woman which thou hast taken; for she [is] a man's wife Gen 20:4 But Abimelech had not come near her: and he said, Lord, wilt thou slay also a righteous nation? Gen 20:5 Said he not unto me, She [is] my sister? and she, even she herself said, He [is] my brother: in the integrity of my heart and innocency of my hands have I done this.
Again, sarah was put into a place to obey her husband who lied again. Now sarah could have saved herself and refused to lie and when the men come to take her she could have disobeyed her husband and said NO now i am His wife! but she did not, she was meek and let them take her. She was not only in a lie both times obeying abraham but she was in danger of being taken to bed by other men! imagine the sin of that in Gods eyes! but she submitted and God saved her.
Let us look at some other obedience verces.
Col 3:18 ¶
Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord. Husbands, love [your] wives, and be not bitter against them.Children,
obey [your] parents in all things: for this is well pleasing unto the Lord.Fathers, provoke not your children [to anger], lest they be discouraged.Servants,
obey in all things [your] masters according to the flesh;
not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but in singleness of heart, fearing God:And whatsoever ye do, do [it] heartily,
as to the Lord, and not unto men;Knowing that of the Lord ye shall receive the reward of the inheritance: for ye serve the Lord Christ.
Eph 5:22 ¶
Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord Eph 5:23 For the
husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.Eph 5:24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ,
so [let] the wives [be] to their own husbands in every thing
be subject to husbands in everything***obey in all things**as unto the Lord***not as a man pleaser but because you fear God. husbands are our head.
1Cr 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and
the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God.
Tts 2:3 The aged women likewise, that [they be] in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things; Tts 2:4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children Tts 2:5 [To be] discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good,
obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed
when you submit to your husband it is not like being worldly. tryning to lead then and rule them and teach them and contend with them is worldly- they call it femanism-
when you obey your husband, even in his ungodliness, it will be clear by your quiet example that you do so because you love and fear and obey God, not because you think his actions are right or because you want to live like the world. your husband already knows you want to do what God says is right and when he makes you submit to him in things that you know to be wrong, he will know by your example and by conviction that he is doing that, he will also see your peace and lack of fear of the world but your fear of God that leads you to obey him even when you know he is wrong.
It is easier, and fleshlier to tell him what you and he will and will not do because of God which is haughty and not your postion, then it is to take up your cross, and obey God by submitting to the head that God gave you, to the authority over you that God gave you, and trust God in whatever it is.
We are new in Christ and if we were not we would be like the world which RULES over their husbands and does not submit or obey. the world says * you dont have to take that* * you tell him to do it himself* * you tell him you dont wanna*
But God says, obey in everything- obey in all things in fear of God, be quiet and meek and chaste, be an example of submission to God, die to self, take up your cross.
It pleases flesh to stand up and rule over those in authority over us, even if flesh gets to do this in the guise of holiness, but when flesh must sit down and shut up and submit without its own say and trust God and rest in Gods ability to have His will fulfilled, that is what flesh hates and that is what puts to death our old man.
It is more of a testimony to our husbands, to obey God, in fear of him by obeyig them when we know what they command is wrong, then it is to speak all the words of God to them day and night and try to be their head when they are ours.
I hope that since I have given an abundance of scriptures here in example, and command that you will pray over these and put down your own ideas but conform to the word of God, pray and ask God to show you confirmations of if this is correct, ask God to show you how this works and what example it sets, ask God to reveal to you how this could be.Maybe even ask God to bring you some signs and examples of this very thing if it be true let God judge and prove.
Recieve the truth with an open heart as He gives it and do not just toss all this out right off without seeking Him about it clearly first, He is faithful to reveal the truth to His daughters who have hearts to hear truth even if it is not what they thought they knew.
