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Does the Bible condone slavery?

Guppy

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My evil teacher used Leviticus 25: 44-46 to show that there is dirt concerning the Bible. It says, "And as for your male and female slaves whom you have--from the nations that are around you, from them you may buy male and females slaves. Moreover, you may buy the children of the strangers who dwell among you, which they beget in your land; and they shall become your property. And you may take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them as a possession; they shall be your permanent slaves."

Please someone help me with this!

guppy
 
Only pagan slaves to remain perpetual slaves.

1 Your Slaves shall be of the heathen, not of your brethren

2 Of the children of the stranger sojourn among you shall you buy slaves. v 45

3 Of the families which they beget in the land shall your possession be v 45

4 You shall take them as an inheritance for your children for ever, but regarding your brethren of Israel, you shall not rule over with rigour v 46

This passage is talking about Gods chose people Israel, the Jewish nation.

Some would say the passage is a type and pattern for the Church.
 
Yah, but why?

Only pagan slaves to remain perpetual slaves.

1 Your Slaves shall be of the heathen, not of your brethren

2 Of the children of the stranger sojourn among you shall you buy slaves. v 45

3 Of the families which they beget in the land shall your possession be v 45

4 You shall take them as an inheritance for your children for ever, but regarding your brethren of Israel, you shall not rule over with rigour v 46

This passage is talking about Gods chose people Israel, the Jewish nation.

Some would say the passage is a type and pattern for the Church.


Why is there instruction about keeping slaves? Why?

Shouldn't all people be free? Or so my teacher argues?
 
Slavery in the Bible days was not based on race. People that were slaves were often people that could not pay their debts.

Also, the Bible gave instructions on how slaves should be treated.

Ephesians 6:9
"And, ye masters, do the same things unto them, forbearing threatening: knowing that your Master also is in heaven; neither is there respect of persons with him." KJV

Colossians 4:1
"Masters, give unto your servants that which is just and equal; knowing that ye also have a Master in heaven." KJV


So by knowing that. We see that slavery in the Bible was nothing like the slavery that goes on today with certain races or slavery done with the African American race in America and other countries years back.

I believe once a person gets saved, they will see that it is a sin to own a human being. The Bible is against laziness and tells us to work hard. How could we do that when owning slaves?

Proverbs 18:9
"He also that is slothful in his work is brother to him that is a great waster." KJV


You're teacher is just twisting the Bible to try to make it sound evil. He is probably an atheist and does not want anyone else to believe in God. Don't let him get to you. He needs to read those chapters in context instead of just reading a few verses with bad interpretation.

Keep the Faith and God Bless
 
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Sister Guppy, I would report that teacher for false teaching. He is slandering the Word which he has no right to do so - especially with his obvious obnoxious lack of knowledge of the Word he is quoting.

Leviticus 25: 44-46

44Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids.
45Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession.
46And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever: but over your brethren the children of Israel, ye shall not rule one over another with rigour.

Matthew Henry Commentary

Lev 25:39-55
We have here the laws concerning servitude, designed to preserve the honour of the Jewish nation as a free people, and rescued by a divine power out of the house of bondage, into the glorious liberty of God’s sons, his first-born. Now the law is,

I. That a native Israelite should never be made a bondman for perpetuity. If he was sold for debt, or for a crime, by the house of judgment, he was to serve but six years, and to go out the seventh; this was appointed, Ex. 21:2. But if he sold himself through extreme poverty, having nothing at all left him to preserve his life, and if it was to one of his own nation that he sold himself, in such a case it is here provided,
1. That he should not serve as a bond-servant (v. 39), nor be sold with the sale of a bondman (v. 42); that is, "it must not be looked upon that his master that bought him had as absolute a property in him as in a captive taken in war, that might be used, sold, and bequeathed, at pleasure, as much as a man’s cattle; no, he shall serve thee as a hired servant, whom the master has the use of only, but not a despotic power over.’’ And the reason is, They are my servants, v. 42. God does not make his servants slaves, and therefore their brethren must not. God had redeemed them out of Egypt, and therefore they must never be exposed to sale as bondmen. The apostle applies this spiritually (1 Co. 7:23), You are bought with a price, be not the servants of men, that is, "of the lusts of men, no, nor of your own lusts;’’ for, having become the servants of God, we must not let sin reign in our mortal bodies,Rom. 6:12, 22.
2. That while he did serve he should not be ruled with rigour, as the Israelites were in Egypt, v. 43. Both his work and his usage must be such as were fitting for a son of Abraham. Masters are still required to give to their servants that which is just and equal, Col. 4:1. They may be used, but must not be abused. Those masters that are always hectoring and domineering over their servants, taunting them and trampling upon them, that are unreasonable in exacting work and giving rebukes, and that rule them with a high hand, forget that their Master is in heaven; and what will they do when he rises up? as holy Job reasons with himself, Job 31:13, 14.

3. That at the year of jubilee he should go out free, he and his children, and should return to his own family, v. 41. This typified our redemption from the service of sin and Satan by the grace of God in Christ, whose truth makes us free, Jn. 7:32. The Jewish writers say that, for ten days before the jubilee-trumpet sounded, the servants that were to be discharged by it did express their great joy by feasting, and wearing garlands on their heads: it is therefore called the joyful sound, Ps. 89:15. And we are thus to rejoice in the liberty we have by Christ.
II. That they might purchase bondmen of the heathen nations that were round about them, or of those strangers that sojourned among them (except of those seven nations that were to be destroyed); and might claim a dominion over them, and entail them upon their families as an inheritance, for the year of jubilee should give no discharge to them, v. 44, 46. Thus in our English plantations the negroes only are used as slaves; how much to the credit of Christianity I shall not say. Now,
1. This authority which they had over the bondmen whom they purchased from the neighbouring nations was in pursuance of the blessing of Jacob, Gen. 27:29, Let people serve thee.

2. It prefigured the bringing in of the Gentiles to the service of Christ and his church. Ask of me, and I will give thee the heathen for thy inheritance, Ps. 2:8. And it is promised (Isa. 61:5), Strangers shall stand and feed your flocks, and the sons of the alien shall be your vine-dressers; see Rev. 2:26, 27. The upright shall have the dominion in the morning, Ps. 49:14.

3. It intimates that none shall have the benefit of the gospel jubilee but those only that are Israelites indeed, and the children of Abraham by faith: as for those that continue heathenish, they continue bondmen. See this turned upon the unbelieving Jews themselves, Gal. 4:25, where Jerusalem, when she had rejected Christ, is said to be in bondage with her children. Let me only add here that, though they are not forbidden to rule their bondmen with rigour, yet the Jewish doctors say, "It is the property of mercy, and way of wisdom, that a man should be compassionate, and not make his yoke heavy upon any servant that he has.’’
III. That if an Israelite sold himself for a servant to a wealthy proselyte that sojourned among them care should be taken that he should have the same advantages as if he had sold himself to an Israelite, and in some respects greater.
1. That he should not serve as a bondman, but as a hired servant, and not to be ruled with rigour (v. 53), in thy sight, which intimated that the Jewish magistrates should particularly have an eye to him, and, if he were abused, should take cognizance of it, and redress his grievances, though the injured servant did not himself complain. Also he was to go free at the year of jubilee, v. 54. Though the sons of strangers might serve them for ever, yet the sons of Israel might not serve strangers for ever; yet the servant here, having made himself a slave by his own act and deed, should not go out in the seventh year of release, but in the jubilee only.

2. That he should have this further advantage that he might be redeemed again before the year of jubilee, v. 48, 49. He that had sold himself to an Israelite might, if ever he was able, redeem himself, but his relations had no right to redeem him. "But if a man sold himself to a stranger,’’ the Jews say, "his relations were urged to redeem him; if they did not, it was fit that he should be redeemed at the public charge,’’ which we find done, Neh. 5:8. The price of his ransom was to be computed according to the prospect of the year of jubilee (v. 50–52), as in the redemption of land, v. 15, 16. The learned bishop Patrick quotes one of the Jewish rabbin for an evangelical exposition of that appointment (v. 48), One of his brethren shall redeem him. "This Redeemer,’’ says the rabbi, "is the Messiah, the Son of David.’’ They expected this Messiah to be their Redeemer out of their captivity, and to restore them to their own land again; but we welcome him as the Redeemer who shall come to Zion, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob, for he shall save his people from their sins; and under this notion there were those that looked for redemption in Jerusalem.
 
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*sniff* *sniff* all that was just well said. Thanks guys. For a second there I was a bit worried. I just didn't know how to answer the "slavery" question. No doubt about it, my teacher is evil. I shall use your answers for my report.

Guppy
 
*sniff* *sniff* all that was just well said. Thanks guys. For a second there I was a bit worried. I just didn't know how to answer the "slavery" question. No doubt about it, my teacher is evil. I shall use your answers for my report.

Guppy
He might be one of those Atheist teacher that under attack the word of God and even under attacking Christians... All I got to say is that devil is a liar, that teacher teaches that devil lie about the word of God again, just pray for the man....
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He might be one of those Atheist teacher that under attack the word of God and even under attacking Christians... All I got to say is that devil is a liar, that teacher teaches that devil lie about the word of God again, just pray for the man....
:secret:

Isn't that the truth. I made a D on a paper today and I only made a few mistakes. The rest of what he wrote on my paper was just criticism. I wrote that everyone is a filthy rag compared to Jesus and the teacher wrote, " you sure do look down on people". Along with many other comments criticizing Christian history and beliefs.

Amen, Stylez lets pray for these people.
 
Isn't that the truth. I made a D on a paper today and I only made a few mistakes. The rest of what he wrote on my paper was just criticism. I wrote that everyone is a filthy rag compared to Jesus and the teacher wrote, " you sure do look down on people". Along with many other comments criticizing Christian history and beliefs.

Amen, Stylez lets pray for these people.
Ok now.. Um you in college? Well, for me I'm looking or on but it look like I need to go to 3 schools lol hehehehehe! Wounder how I would do that?:embarasse
 
Ok now.. Um you in college? Well, for me I'm looking or on but it look like I need to go to 3 schools lol hehehehehe! Wounder how I would do that?:embarasse

Yeah, majoring in Physical Therapy. What do you mean you have to go to three schools? Sorry, I don't understand.

God Bless
 
Baber school, college for being a marketing manager, and Bible college :embarasse

Hmm..you would probably have to take them one at a time. I would love to go to Bible college at Pensacola, Florida, where Dr. Peter S. Ruckman teachers, but I'm still praying about what God wants me to do.

I'll be praying about this for you, brother. God bless
 
Isn't that the truth. I made a D on a paper today and I only made a few mistakes. The rest of what he wrote on my paper was just criticism. I wrote that everyone is a filthy rag compared to Jesus and the teacher wrote, " you sure do look down on people". Along with many other comments criticizing Christian history and beliefs.

Amen, Stylez lets pray for these people.


Cody I can't believe that professor is still giving you a hard time with your papers that relate to Christ. I believe that we have established that he doesn't like you writing anything about Christ.

I know that it can get extremely aggravating have to deal with people like that. Especially when your beliefs cause you trouble like that.

However, if we are going to be Christians we might as well get used to the criticism that we shall receive, but God shall deliver us through these times.

Just remember to pray for our enemies and more important to pray for the lost.

God Bless

Psalms 118:8/Romans 1:16
 
All things

Peace be unto you :)

God always shows us true good reasons WHY IT IS TRULY GOOD FOR US TO BELIEVE JESUS ALONE FOREVER, The True Divine Eternal Unchanging Fact of God's Truly Perfect Love for us and all, and true good Unchanging reasons to obey God Our Father and Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, alone forever.

the devil always tries to show you false, evil reasons NOT to believe The True Divine Facts of God's Love for us.

the devil always tries to get your mind off of Jesus on The Cross at Calvary, God's Truly Best Eternal Unchanging Proof of God's Truly Everlasting Unchanging Love for us. (Jeremiah 31:3) (John 3:16)

The devil tries to distract us and keep our eyes off of Christ on The Cross...and and on truly lesser unimportant side issues,
so that he can attack us, using his FLOOD OF LIES,
either through his evil children in the world,
and/or through carnal well meaning babes in Christ,
who may mean well, but accidently misquote and/or
misunderstand Scripture.

But, all things work together for the good, for those who love God, and are the called according to God's Purpose."

May God help you to discern which of these this teacher is.

But based on what you said in your post, it seems to me that this is an evil teacher, who constantly wrestles with The Truly Holy Incorruptible Scriptures to his own destruction.

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God's Word is full of Spiritual lessons FOR the Eternal Benefit of God's True Children, to help their hope and faith and love for Christ grow and become WHOLEHEARTED FOR CHRIST JESUS ALONE FOREVER.

But the evil children of the devil cannot understand God's Truth, because it is a gift of God, only for true believers in Jesus, and is spiritually discerned.

God truly told us all, in 1 Corinthians 2:14,
"But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God:
for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."
 
Jesus truly promised all who WHOLEHEARTEDLY trust and seek and love God and Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ alone forever,
"And ye shall know The Truth, and The Truth shall make you free."

Peace be unto you t:)

No, God in the Bible, does not ever condone slavery, or any other sin.

As a matter of fact, that is why Jesus truly died on The Cross of Calvalry, to truly free us from all evil slavery, whether it be slavery to lies, slavery to sin, or slavery to the cares, pleasures, and worries of this present evil world.

But true freedom is found truly and ONLY and forever IN IN IN THE PERSON OF Our Lord and Savior JESUS CHRIST, alone forever within within within our human spirits.

I would stay away from this teacher and any one who draw you away from simply WHOLEHEARTEDLY and forever trusting and seeking and loving God Our Father and Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ alone forever, within your human spirit.

Pray to your Truly Good Father, in the Truly Merciful Name of Jesus Christ, alone forever to truly save you, and protect you from all sin, all lies, and all evil, forever...and Jesus will t:)

Proverbs 3:5,6,7,8
"Trust in the LORD with all thine heart;
and lean not unto thine own understanding.
6In all thy ways acknowledge him,
and he shall direct thy paths.
7Be not wise in thine own eyes:
fear the LORD, and depart from evil.
8It shall be health to thy navel, and marrow to thy bones.


Joel 2:12,
"Therefore also now, saith the LORD,
turn ye even to me with all your heart,
and with fasting, and with weeping,
and with mourning:"

1 Peter 5:7
"Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you."

God bless you
 
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